Why Halo 5 isn't Halo.

It saddens me that I can no longer play Halo. The Master Chief Collection is still very much so broken, and since the launch was so terrible, the population is quite small, so don’t tell me to “go play MCC”.

I was hesitant when buying Halo 5, but I have bought every installment in the series since 2001, so I did anyway. I was living with some friends in Manhattan when Halo 5 launched, and everyone wanted to get their hands on a round of matchmaking. Two of them are big Halo fans, but one stopped playing after Halo 3 and the other with Reach. The one kid said it was a good game, but certainly didn’t feel like Halo. The other stopped playing after the first few minutes of the game because he couldn’t get a hang of the button layout. Now, he was certainly a bad kid in the classic Halos, but he still knew how to play the games, and they were his favorite games.

If the fundamental rules of baseball or soccer (any sport) were changed, millions of people would be outraged. Some people play sports for a living, some do it as a hobby, but either way, if they found out that the game was now played a different way to modernize it and accommodate a different audience, people would be outraged. This is why tens of thousands of fans have stopped playing Halo 5 (this happened with Halo 4 also).

When Halo became an international hit with CE, Bungie made the decision to keep sprint and other (then) popular game mechanics out of Halo 2 to please returning fans. They must have done something right here since Halo continued to be the top selling XBOX title throughout Halo 3 and Reach. The classic games (not saying Reach was a classic but this fact applies with Reach as well) had higher player counts than Halo 4 did only a few months after Halo 4s release.

When a formula is so acclaimed, it shouldn’t be changed. Halo needs to go back to its roots for it to become relevant again. Call of Duty, Fallout, and all of these other popular franchises are staying close enough to their roots so that when fans -who haven’t played for 5+ years- buy the newest game, they can immediately play to a similar caliber as they used to.

In future posts I will go into the terrible art style, inexcusable spartan models which look like toy action figures, poor campaign design, lazy writing, and of course, more changes that need to be made about gameplay. One of my old buddies, Phil, was a Halo 2 pro player and he said that once he saw the gameplay for Reach he knew the franchise had strayed too far from its roots. I touched base with him recently regarding the competitive appeal of Halo 5. He hasn’t played Halo in years, but he said the game looked like Call of Duty with longer kill times which would probably often seem like a big game of cat and mouse, which to me, it does.

I respect that most of you love Halo 5, I really do, and I don’t think it is a bad game per se, but its not a true Halo game. The new Porsche 911 is probably a great car, but thousands of 911 fans are up in arms because it is turbocharged. The value of older 911’s (not necessarily classics) are going up because the experience of naturally aspirated 911’s is so revered. This is just another analogy, but I hope some of you understand why the fundamental gameplay of Halo is so important to a lot of people.

I don’t understand what your argument is? What are your points to be made that insinuate that Halo 5 isn’t a true Halo title?

I agree halo should go back, back to the way it was in the golden age.

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> I don’t understand what your argument is? What are your points to be made that insinuate that Halo 5 isn’t a true Halo title?

The gameplay, man. Probably one of the most recognizable part of a Halo game, has been changed, and in the eyes of many fans, it was not changed for the better.

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So you don’t want sprint, thruster, slide, ground pound, or spartan charge? That’s the core difference.

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Yeah I think halo shouldn’t have all the new stuff such as sprint and ads and… Just go back to what made it a great game.

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I enjoy the fact that I can sprint, and ads doesn’t affect much imo.

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None of those abilities justify the changes to the gameplay to balance out those abilities. If there are a lot of core things in the game that 343i has to change to balance their new mechanics, then, in my eyes, those abilities should be excluded from the game. Thruster is probably the only exception, but it needs to be implemented better. Don’t ask me how, because I don’t know. I’m not a dev, just a fan of the older games and a critic of the newer ones.

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Well sprint is definitely not going anywhere now, it’s become a staple of modern gaming. Slide doesn’t affect much. I can agree that spartan charge is pretty dumb. Ground pound is rarely useful.

The thing is is that honestly games need to be more fast paced imo. Like I can’t go back and play halo 3 now and try and play remotely good because it’s so slow. The OG halos are great games but do not age well. Sure the stories are better but at this point and time a slow halo 3, reach esc game could not compete against things like COD or even destiny. The game flow alone would just be off setting. So I think even if the game has brighter colors, or faster movement options, it is still halo and one of my favorites. Tied with reach. This is my opinion no hate lol.

An old player that couldn’t get used to the new button layout? Play on Recon settings like I do, it works pretty well. I don’t know what to tell you though, it IS Halo, but it was always going to be a different game because truth be told it is a different company making the game.

I think the main reason why it doesn’t feel like Halo is because they haven’t stayed true to the roots of the game. But this is common when another company takes over where another leaves off. New ideas New people New story New game! As far as some of the things mentioned. Spartan Charge was a bad move IMO. It tends to wreck a good battle!

So Halo is not Halo because it has sprint?

I mean what is it you want? halo 2 with better graphics and a new story?
Why have anything change at all?

But I agree, I love H5, but Halo NEEDS to go back to it’s roots, why the -Yoink- are they continuing to do their own thing when they can easily find out that most HALO PLAYERS do not like the new games, GO BACK TO THE CLASSICS 343, YOU ARE LOSING FANS, MONEY, FAME, ETC.

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i love the new movement system. I can’t imagine playing halo if it was so slow now. At its time it was not a problem at all. But now it is almost a chore to go and play something like halo 3 mult player. Believe me it’s a great game but not to judge, sometimes I call it sloth simulator because it’s so slow. I’m just trying to say that I really like the current movement system and even though some people don’t like it, no matter what it ain’t leaving lol!

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> The thing is is that honestly games need to be more fast paced imo. Like I can’t go back and play halo 3 now and try and play remotely good because it’s so slow. The OG halos are great games but do not age well. Sure the stories are better but at this point and time a slow halo 3, reach esc game could not compete against things like COD or even destiny. The game flow alone would just be off setting. So I think even if the game has brighter colors, or faster movement options, it is still halo and one of my favorites. Tied with reach. This is my opinion no hate lol.

Good points but at times H5 is slow too. It’s not close to my favorite mainly because even though I’m an SR144, I am still trying to adjust the controller settings and every single map is circular in nature.

Halo 5 is a Halo to me.

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Here we go another halo 5 sucks,343 sucks thread omg its so annoying is that what everyone does on these forums is complain and complain yes halo was fun when there was no new things if you dont like halo 5 go play halo 3 or reach on the 360 since mcc search times are ridiculous.

I don’t understand why mobility has to get quicker. If anyone played halo 2 or competitive halo 3 they would know pace was never an issue. Halo 5 to me is much more cat and mouse, so although movement speed is faster, gameplay itself can be very uneventful.

For me i didn’t start enjoying halo until reach and the games have only gotten better in my opinion