why halo 5 has the best story in any halo game

i know that a lot of people say that the halo 5 story is garbage and that 343 has done a very bad job at it, some people say its a terrible story, or that 343 killed it. lots of people say that the story is mediocre, or some say its alright or good. but to me i think it’s 100% flawless and nothing could be better. I wanna say why i think this and why you should give 343 more credit for the best halo story I have seen. in this thing I’m talking about story alone, not game play, not mechanics, just flat out story. (FYI I am a long time halo fan, played the games, read the books, and i loved what Bungie and 343 have done, and the campaigns are the whole reason why i play halo).

let’s start with how short the campaign was, the campaign lasted from October 23rd- October 28th, people say that was dumb cause how short the days were and how little time you spend on the planets. but personally i think it was fine. on Meridian Osiris had to hunted Blue team down cause they went AWOL, after they saw them and Blue team escaped with the Guardian Osiris had no point in staying that long so they left, and all of meridian took place on October 25th. Then came with Sangheilos which took place on October 27th (Blue team got to Genesis on October 26th) and with Osiris they had to get on a guardian cause that was the only way to get to blue team and that was the only guardian they could find, so with the help of the arbiter, they got on the guardian, destroyed Jul 'mdama’s covenant and got to genesis. then when they got there on October 28th they found blue team, blue team was kidnapped by Cortana then Osiris had to rescue them in one day. point being it would have been stupid if they were on the planets to long.

now moving on to blue team, people say Fred, Kelly and Linda didn’t do anything in the story. to me that’s not true. they had john’s back the whole time, letting him know that no matter what they be by his side, and that’s because they’re family. they grew up together in the spartan II program. trained together fought together, how could they not be closer. they could have left chief on his own at anytime but they didn’t they stay with him and helped along the way with Cortana and everything.

i know a whole bunch of people have stated all of Osiris is very bad and they’re the worst people to add to halo, i think they are a tremendous addition to the halo universe. lets go from all the characters and then individually. people stated how the characters are completely random and have no back story, well they don’t, Locke was in the terminals in halo 2 anniversary and was in halo nightfall, buck was in halo 3 ODST and in reach, Vale was in the halo book hunters in the dark and Tanaka was in some of the escalation comics. people say they’re like bots with no feeling but they do. they’ve had conversations about many things and pretty funny ones. Locke- brilliant leader and will do anything to get the done and look after anyone under his command. Buck- if you played halo 3 ODST then you know about buck, Vale- smart spartan who is a shares a deep interest in Sangheili culture. tanaka- a spartan who’s had a deep emotional scar from the glassing of her home world Minab.

the arbiter, he’s back, and extremely awesome. he’s led his people away from the Covenant and sworn to destroy and covenant remnants left. and he still thinks of the chief as his friend. that in my opinion is enough said.

cortana coming back is a little weird but I’m glad she’s back. and especially that she’s a villain. it makes a whole new thing to resolve and it makes the chief probably making his hardest decision ever. whether to side with the UNSC to fight back against the created and Master Chief ending up killing Cortana for good this time, or trying ever in his power to save Cortana and risk everything, which may come in to the false advertising about Chief being a traitor.

and one more thing i think halo 5 is the gateway to something we never seen on any other halo game. i believe halo is leading to the most exciting something morew awesome then ever for the reclaimer saga.

i may have missed some stuff but i just wanted to say how much i think halo 5’s story is awesome and i hope you agree with me now or after reading this. if you have any questions feel free to ask.

Think some one been smoking or drinking some good stuff. While I still say H5 story gets more hate than it deserves it’s hardly the best of the series and is clearly at the bottom of the pile IMO. I don’t really see how any long time fan can say it’s the best honestly. But to each their own I suppose. The story didn’t even have very good flow at times. That one cut scene with Roland the AI and he was like hey is any one listening to me… That whole conversation just didn’t jive to me. Had they not done that whole hunt the truth as their build up for H5 it would have made the campaign a bit better to some.

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> Think some one been smoking or drinking some good stuff. While I still say H5 story gets more hate than it deserves it’s hardly the best of the series and is clearly at the bottom of the pile IMO. I don’t really see how any long time fan can say it’s the best honestly. But to each their own I suppose. The story didn’t even have very good flow at times. That one cut scene with Roland the AI and he was like hey is any one listening to me… That whole conversation just didn’t jive to me. Had they not done that whole hunt the truth as their build up for H5 it would have made the campaign a bit better to some.

While I admit halo 5 has its flaws I think the campaign was perfect as an experiment on new abilities.

And really?“someones been smoking or drinking some good stuff” is just rude.

It’s great that you enjoyed Halo 5’s story. I’m glad that the experience for you was a good one.

I fundamentally disagree with many of your points. I’ve never heard about anyone bash Halo 5’s timeline of events. As for Blue Team, there was very little depiction of the comraudery between them, partly because there were only 3 missions devoted to Blue Team. Osiris was not all that bad. Locke is not the worst character ever. However, I liked him better in Nightfall; in Halo 5, it’s like he was trying too hard to be cool. The focus on Osiris in Halo 5 is something that detracted from the Halo experience; this was supposed to be a story about Master Chief.

The Arbiter was underutilized in the game. For a character so instrumental to Halo 2 and 3, he wasn’t given enough attention in Halo 5.

Cortana coming back the way she did tarnished her character. It hasn’t been sufficiently explained how she survived or where these aspriations for galactic domination came from. Her revival destroys the potential interesting story of Chief continuing service without an AI partner and dealing with what could be considered his greatest mission failure.

I’m not sure where 343i is taking the story because Halo 5 was so disjointed from the plot lines set up by Halo 4. Personally, I think they’re headed down a cliche route that will be difficult to make compelling.

You are free to like what you want, but I strongly disagree with your assessment of Halo 5’s story.

I’d love to elaborate but I’m on a phone right now and as a result it would be rather frustrating for me to do so.

You’re in a very, very small minority. I did enjoy playing through the campaign…minimally. It has a few qualities I admit. But from a narrative and writing perspective its with Reach, in my opinion (as your have yours) as the worse stories in the series.

To me the only truly good thing were the environments. Sanghelios was truly awesome and the mission Swords of Sanghelios is one of my top missions in any Halo. Fighting along side Blue team was great as well. But the story just wasn’t there for me. Like I said it just didn’t flow at times and the whole AI vs humanity is quite a cliched story as well.

Sorry but no. Halo CE’s “B-Rated sci-fi movie” story (as Bungie always quoted it) will always be the best for me.

Honestly Halo 5’s is at the bottom of the list for me for many reasons. It’s right beneath Halo Reach’s story, which was the worst one in my opinion until Halo 5 told Halo Reach to hold its beer.

I want you to watch this, and then come back and say that again.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPrhcvHmS7-18hj9KVJmzR7Su77PEGaU_

And after reading all of that, I don’t understand any of your points. All I understand is that you have very strong and possibly misguided opinions.

I probably would have enjoyed Halo 5 if it was my first halo campaign but i have never gone back to replay a level like i have with every other halo game.
For example I like the levels…

  • Halo
  • The Ark
  • The Covenant
  • Delta Halo
  • Outskirts
  • Metropolis
  • Assault on the control room
  • Infinity
  • Reclaimer
  • Tip of the Spear

Notice how there are a few from each halo game except Halo 5.
But my favourite Level from Halo 5 would probably be Genesis. :slight_smile:

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> I probably would have enjoyed Halo 5 if it was my first halo campaign but i have never gone back to replay a level like i have with every other halo game.
> For example I like the levels…
> - Halo
> - The Ark
> - The Covenant
> - Delta Halo
> - Outskirts
> - Metropolis
> - Assault on the control room
> - Infinity
> - Reclaimer
> - Tip of the Spear
>
> Notice how there are a few from each halo game except Halo 5.
> But my favourite Level from Halo 5 would probably be Genesis. :slight_smile:

Eww! Infinity and reclaimer? AND GENESIS!!! Boy, you need to explain

P.S (Not trying to sound rude, i’m just curious why you like those levels)

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> I want you to watch this, and then come back and say that again.
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> Why is Halo 5's Campaign SO BAD?! - YouTube
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> And after reading all of that, I don’t understand any of your points. All I understand is that you have very strong and possibly misguided opinions.

i watched them already and here’s my opinions

the marketing and all the trailers before that were false advertising yes, but i completely ignored that when i was playing the campaign, cause i knew that it would not change, and i didn’t let the false advertising ruin it for me, but yes i hope for halo 6 they fix that for others

when it comes to Jul 'Mdama dying in the beginning i think that was a good thing cause he was the main villain really in spartan ops and in the comics, the first level was just to rap that all up.

when i wrote this i was only talking about the story of halo 5 not anything else, so i think all the actions scenes and all these cutscenes that people think are pointless i thought were pretty cool

plot i think made perfect sense in every way, i know for some people understood it cause they’re lore experts. but if you don’t understand something you don’t even have to read a book just read a article on that topic on halo wiki or halopeida

like i said i watched the videos and my opinions are all the same, i think halo 5’s story is one of the best if not the greatest stories in any halo game. and that’s coming from a long time halo fan.

I respectfully disagree.
-There are too many characters to give each a unique personality, so many felt bland and uninteresting. The first cutscene could’ve at least tried to give Osiris personalities, but instead it was just action.
-They killed Jul ‘Mdama, a great villain who was set up in multiple forms of media, in the first mission. If they were gonna kill him off, at least have Arbiter do it during the Battle of Sunaion.
-The Chief vs Locke fight was not well-choreographed and for some odd reason, Master Chief let his emotions get to him and started beating on Locke.
-Chief literally gets a vision which makes no sense and Blue Team just goes along with it.
-There’s no big reveal of Cortana. She just starts talking to you in the mission Genesis. It was also kinda obvious she was evil.
-The Warden has potential that wasn’t utilized.
-Sanghelios was the best part of Halo 5’s campaign, but it ultimately just halts the main story.

Some people go a lot more in-depth. I could probably find it if you want to read it, but it’s a long read.

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> > I want you to watch this, and then come back and say that again.
> >
> > Why is Halo 5's Campaign SO BAD?! - YouTube
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> > And after reading all of that, I don’t understand any of your points. All I understand is that you have very strong and possibly misguided opinions.
>
> i watched them already and here’s my opinions
>
> the marketing and all the trailers before that were false advertising yes, but i completely ignored that when i was playing the campaign, cause i knew that it would not change, and i didn’t let the false advertising ruin it for me, but yes i hope for halo 6 they fix that for others
>
> when it comes to Jul 'Mdama dying in the beginning i think that was a good thing cause he was the main villain really in spartan ops and in the comics, the first level was just to rap that all up.
>
> when i wrote this i was only talking about the story of halo 5 not anything else, so i think all the actions scenes and all these cutscenes that people think are pointless i thought were pretty cool
>
> plot i think made perfect sense in every way, i know for some people understood it cause they’re lore experts. but if you don’t understand something you don’t even have to read a book just read a article on that topic on halo wiki or halopeida
>
> like i said i watched the videos and my opinions are all the same, i think halo 5’s story is one of the best if not the greatest stories in any halo game. and that’s coming from a long time halo fan.

So you think it’s better than halo 2!!??

I disagree, and here is a short, succinct list;

  • Dropped/wasted plot points/characters - Sudden characters that were never mentioned in previous games and weren’t introduced properly - Main characters have no arcs or development - Characters don’t have fleshed out/relatable motives - Bland, forgettable, reused boss character - Reviving a character, who only died at the end of the previous game - Revived character is now bad, with a paper thin reason for that change in character - The ‘talky’ missions create pacing issues. - Unresolved big bad. Essentially a cliff hanger, that people hated so much in Halo 2 - No sense of drama or immediacy. Am I chasing MC or saving the galaxy?I’m guessing Halo 6 recaps Halo 5 (Cortana and her motives) in the intro and you could play through CE-H6, skip Halo 5 and not be less wiser for it.

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> > > I want you to watch this, and then come back and say that again.
> > >
> > > Why is Halo 5's Campaign SO BAD?! - YouTube
> > >
> > > And after reading all of that, I don’t understand any of your points. All I understand is that you have very strong and possibly misguided opinions.
> >
> > i watched them already and here’s my opinions
> >
> > the marketing and all the trailers before that were false advertising yes, but i completely ignored that when i was playing the campaign, cause i knew that it would not change, and i didn’t let the false advertising ruin it for me, but yes i hope for halo 6 they fix that for others
> >
> > when it comes to Jul 'Mdama dying in the beginning i think that was a good thing cause he was the main villain really in spartan ops and in the comics, the first level was just to rap that all up.
> >
> > when i wrote this i was only talking about the story of halo 5 not anything else, so i think all the actions scenes and all these cutscenes that people think are pointless i thought were pretty cool
> >
> > plot i think made perfect sense in every way, i know for some people understood it cause they’re lore experts. but if you don’t understand something you don’t even have to read a book just read a article on that topic on halo wiki or halopeida
> >
> > like i said i watched the videos and my opinions are all the same, i think halo 5’s story is one of the best if not the greatest stories in any halo game. and that’s coming from a long time halo fan.
>
> So you think it’s better than halo 2!!??

yes

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> > > > I want you to watch this, and then come back and say that again.
> > > >
> > > > Why is Halo 5's Campaign SO BAD?! - YouTube
> > > >
> > > > And after reading all of that, I don’t understand any of your points. All I understand is that you have very strong and possibly misguided opinions.
> > >
> > > i watched them already and here’s my opinions
> > >
> > > the marketing and all the trailers before that were false advertising yes, but i completely ignored that when i was playing the campaign, cause i knew that it would not change, and i didn’t let the false advertising ruin it for me, but yes i hope for halo 6 they fix that for others
> > >
> > > when it comes to Jul 'Mdama dying in the beginning i think that was a good thing cause he was the main villain really in spartan ops and in the comics, the first level was just to rap that all up.
> > >
> > > when i wrote this i was only talking about the story of halo 5 not anything else, so i think all the actions scenes and all these cutscenes that people think are pointless i thought were pretty cool
> > >
> > > plot i think made perfect sense in every way, i know for some people understood it cause they’re lore experts. but if you don’t understand something you don’t even have to read a book just read a article on that topic on halo wiki or halopeida
> > >
> > > like i said i watched the videos and my opinions are all the same, i think halo 5’s story is one of the best if not the greatest stories in any halo game. and that’s coming from a long time halo fan.
> >
> > So you think it’s better than halo 2!!??
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> yes

I am shocked… Almost too shocked for words.

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> > > > > I want you to watch this, and then come back and say that again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why is Halo 5's Campaign SO BAD?! - YouTube
> > > > >
> > > > > And after reading all of that, I don’t understand any of your points. All I understand is that you have very strong and possibly misguided opinions.
> > > >
> > > > i watched them already and here’s my opinions
> > > >
> > > > the marketing and all the trailers before that were false advertising yes, but i completely ignored that when i was playing the campaign, cause i knew that it would not change, and i didn’t let the false advertising ruin it for me, but yes i hope for halo 6 they fix that for others
> > > >
> > > > when it comes to Jul 'Mdama dying in the beginning i think that was a good thing cause he was the main villain really in spartan ops and in the comics, the first level was just to rap that all up.
> > > >
> > > > when i wrote this i was only talking about the story of halo 5 not anything else, so i think all the actions scenes and all these cutscenes that people think are pointless i thought were pretty cool
> > > >
> > > > plot i think made perfect sense in every way, i know for some people understood it cause they’re lore experts. but if you don’t understand something you don’t even have to read a book just read a article on that topic on halo wiki or halopeida
> > > >
> > > > like i said i watched the videos and my opinions are all the same, i think halo 5’s story is one of the best if not the greatest stories in any halo game. and that’s coming from a long time halo fan.
> > >
> > > So you think it’s better than halo 2!!??
> >
> > yes
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> I am shocked… Almost too shocked for words.

Same

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> > I probably would have enjoyed Halo 5 if it was my first halo campaign but i have never gone back to replay a level like i have with every other halo game.
> > For example I like the levels…
> > - Halo
> > - The Ark
> > - The Covenant
> > - Delta Halo
> > - Outskirts
> > - Metropolis
> > - Assault on the control room
> > - Infinity
> > - Reclaimer
> > - Tip of the Spear
> >
> > Notice how there are a few from each halo game except Halo 5.
> > But my favourite Level from Halo 5 would probably be Genesis. :slight_smile:
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> Eww! Infinity and reclaimer? AND GENESIS!!! Boy, you need to explain
>
> P.S (Not trying to sound rude, i’m just curious why you like those levels)

I like Infinity and Reclaimer because it is very UNSC based and Genesis in my opinion has the best level design out of all the levels and it looks amazing.

Ok, Halo 5 story is literally what is left after a toddler ripped pages upon pages out of a sub par chapter book. You can say it’s good all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is not. Halo 5’s story is factually bad, no matter how you look at it (I never got into Hunt The Truth, so don’t think I’m being blinded by that.)

Lets start off with the plot holes. You can literally pilot High Charity through these plot holes. First off, how does Halsey even know what Cortana is doing? Why does the rest of Blue Team not even question the Chief when he talks to Cortana in a vision? Why do they blindly disobey a direct order from brass because Chief said he saw her in a vision? Why are they declared AWOL when Palmer herself said that “he does what he wants”? Why does Locke seem so angry with Chief when he just went to do a job somebody else was being prepped for? If Cortana’s end goal is to end conflict and suffering, why does she kill so many people when summoning the Guardians? How the hell are Guardians going to end hunger, poverty, and disease? Why does the UNSC want nothing to do with the Arbiter’s war if he’s such a crucial ally? I could go on.

Now onto the characters. Yes, I know Locke is in the terminals and Nightfall and that Vale and Tanaka were in the books, but so few people actually read that stuff. With that said, very few characters actually had any kind of development at all. Locke and Osiris were kinda thrown at your face while Chief and Blue Team were kinda brushed to the side. Palmer is way more mellow now and nothing at all like the -Yoink- she was in 4.

I would continue if I could, but I got things to do so I must cut it short.