Why Halo 4 needs Ranking System that is seen

Games Other Halo
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I’ve been a Halo fan and competitive player for well over a decade now, and to be perfectly honest the biggest reason Halo was as fun as it was is because if offered something NO OTHER GAME ON XBOX LIVE DID. A ranking system; one that offered great matches and usually gave evenly matched teams.

Now I’m hearing 343i says the reason they don’t want this in the game is due to boosting/cheating/rank trolling (to which i say go look at any other game). This is a poor reason to exclude a competitive outlet for online players because a few bad apples will always troll and cheat.

Here are the Pros and Cons in short why Ranked should return to Halo

Pros
-Competitive players will have a reason to play

-More evenly matched, balanced and competitive matches will take place instead of one sided curb stomp matches

-Teams will match other teams more often and there will be far less complaining about it

-Many people will have a competitive and actual reason to keep playing the game since a competitive, meaningful playlist will exist instead of pointless grinding for a rank that really just shows how much you play, not how good/capable you are

Cons

-Cheating and boosting may rise

-Rank trolls will increase

-Buying of accounts may increase.

To wit, those three cons exist no matter what; in ANY game on xbox live. I simply ask both 343i and the Halo community to remember why Halo has been such an amazing series pre Reach and why so many of us played it. Halo offered rankings that to this date no other highly played game does on the consoles.

At least, would you 343i kindly look at what Star Craft 2 and blizzard have done to make a competitive and social experience reminiscent of Halo 2 and 3. I would be willing to bet a vast majority of Halo community and players wouldn’t mind having ranks back and to those that don’t want a ranking system I ask; why not?

It doesn’t hurt you, so why take something many loved and looked forward to?

Thanks and stay gold out there.

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> This is a poor reason to exclude a competitive outlet for online players because a few bad apples will always troll and cheat.

Frankie already said it wasn’t a few.

Given how they’ve heavily implied that 1-50 isn’t returning and that the countless threads just like this one that have all come before haven’t convinced them otherwise, 1-50 isn’t coming back.

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Halo 4 is going have a skill based ranking system.

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> > This is a poor reason to exclude a competitive outlet for online players because a few bad apples will always troll and cheat.
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> Frankie already said it wasn’t a few.
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> Given how they’ve heavily implied that 1-50 isn’t returning and that the countless threads just like this one that have all come before haven’t convinced them otherwise, 1-50 isn’t coming back.

I’m not asking for a 1-50 system, even though such a system would be fine.

Just a ranked system that indicates some skill and measures how capable someone is in a given playlist.

Star Craft 2 does it best IMO

http://us.media1.battle.net/cms/gallery/XY7FXMW76PIX1300732739015.jpg

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Great post, but yet you will probably get flooded by casual remarks and accused of just wanting bragging rights to grow your e-peen with.

I loved 1-50 because it actually gave something to strive for. It took skill to rank up. The new system makes ranking up like leveling up in World of Warcraft - a grind. And grinding for armor grinded the fun out of Reach quite a bit, because once you got the armor you wanted, there was nothing else to strive for.

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> > This is a poor reason to exclude a competitive outlet for online players because a few bad apples will always troll and cheat.
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> Frankie already said it wasn’t a few.
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> Given how they’ve heavily implied that 1-50 isn’t returning and that the countless threads just like this one that have all come before haven’t convinced them otherwise, 1-50 isn’t coming back.

I don’t think he’s implying that 1 - 50 ranking system should come back, but instead a ranking system that is similar to the 1 - 50 ranking system. Let’s be honest, the Arena ranking system had potential but it sucked and there isn’t much to say about it.

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Again with this? I don’t even…

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I honestly don’t like the whole Cheating and boosting may rise reason. If the system can be cheated and the banhammer can’t catch them then that ranking system should be changed to a better one whether it be a small or big change.

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> Great post, but yet you will probably get flooded by casual remarks and accused of just wanting bragging rights to grow your e-peen with.

And to those naysayers I would ask why not?

Casual players and fun lovers alike would still have their own playlists; more than likely those of us who play competitively (tryhard) would leave the social playlist and they would be more fun.

I have no intention of belittling others for opinions as long as they back them up with reason and logic. I see no real reason why we can’t have a skill based ranking system.

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Arena just didn’t do it for me…Please no arena v2

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> > Great post, but yet you will probably get flooded by casual remarks and accused of just wanting bragging rights to grow your e-peen with.
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> And to those naysayers I would ask why not?
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> Casual players and fun lovers alike would still have their own playlists; more than likely those of us who play competitively (tryhard) would leave the social playlist and they would be more fun.
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> I have no intention of belittling others for opinions as long as they back them up with reason and logic. I see no real reason why we can’t have a skill based ranking system.

My question to you is: why waste your time writing posts like this? We’re four months from launch, the ranking systems are in place and confirmed, the developers have listen their reasons for doing what they have done, and this late in development they aren’t going to change 4+ years of work because of a few threads on these forums. I challenge you to go to another forum like Gaf and see how many people shoot you down with more supported and eloquently informed posts that slap you in one sentence and change your way of thinking with the next.

Every other forum I frequent is A-ok with the new ranking systems, the atmosphere here on waypoint is an odd anomaly

Btw, they confirmed an invisible to other players skill rank. Your post above seemed like you were leaving that it’d bit out

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> > > Great post, but yet you will probably get flooded by casual remarks and accused of just wanting bragging rights to grow your e-peen with.
> >
> > And to those naysayers I would ask why not?
> >
> > Casual players and fun lovers alike would still have their own playlists; more than likely those of us who play competitively (tryhard) would leave the social playlist and they would be more fun.
> >
> > I have no intention of belittling others for opinions as long as they back them up with reason and logic. I see no real reason why we can’t have a skill based ranking system.
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> My question to you is: why waste your time writing posts like this? We’re four months from launch, the ranking systems are in place and confirmed, the developers have listen their reasons for doing what they have done, and this late in development they aren’t going to change 4+ years of work because of a few threads on these forums. I challenge you to go to another forum like Gaf and see how many people shoot you down with more supported and eloquently informed posts that slap you in one sentence and change your way of thinking with the next.
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> Every other forum I frequent is A-ok with the new ranking systems, the atmosphere here on waypoint is an odd anomaly

Do you really think just making the rank be visual would take more than 10-20 minutes work? They already said they are still working on the gui.

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> > > Great post, but yet you will probably get flooded by casual remarks and accused of just wanting bragging rights to grow your e-peen with.
> >
> > And to those naysayers I would ask why not?
> >
> > Casual players and fun lovers alike would still have their own playlists; more than likely those of us who play competitively (tryhard) would leave the social playlist and they would be more fun.
> >
> > I have no intention of belittling others for opinions as long as they back them up with reason and logic. I see no real reason why we can’t have a skill based ranking system.
>
> My question to you is: why waste your time writing posts like this?
>
> I challenge you to go to another forum like Gaf and see how many people shoot you down with more supported and eloquently informed posts that slap you in one sentence and change your way of thinking with the next.

For future games in the series.

I doubt they will change my thinking. I challenge you to provide me a reason why ranking is a bad idea.

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> > > Great post, but yet you will probably get flooded by casual remarks and accused of just wanting bragging rights to grow your e-peen with.
> >
> > And to those naysayers I would ask why not?
> >
> > Casual players and fun lovers alike would still have their own playlists; more than likely those of us who play competitively (tryhard) would leave the social playlist and they would be more fun.
> >
> > I have no intention of belittling others for opinions as long as they back them up with reason and logic. I see no real reason why we can’t have a skill based ranking system.
>
> My question to you is: why waste your time writing posts like this?
>
> I challenge you to go to another forum like Gaf and see how many people shoot you down with more supported and eloquently informed posts that slap you in one sentence and change your way of thinking with the next.

For future games in the series.

I doubt they will change my thinking. I challenge you to provide me a reason why ranking is a bad idea.

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lol “rank trolling”

casuals say this as if a mute button and party chat don’t exist

as for boosting and cheating, people can and will do that no matter what the system is

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> > > > Great post, but yet you will probably get flooded by casual remarks and accused of just wanting bragging rights to grow your e-peen with.
> > >
> > > And to those naysayers I would ask why not?
> > >
> > > Casual players and fun lovers alike would still have their own playlists; more than likely those of us who play competitively (tryhard) would leave the social playlist and they would be more fun.
> > >
> > > I have no intention of belittling others for opinions as long as they back them up with reason and logic. I see no real reason why we can’t have a skill based ranking system.
> >
> > My question to you is: why waste your time writing posts like this?
> >
> > I challenge you to go to another forum like Gaf and see how many people shoot you down with more supported and eloquently informed posts that slap you in one sentence and change your way of thinking with the next.
>
> For future games in the series.
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> I doubt they will change my thinking. I challenge you to provide me a reason why ranking is a bad idea.

I can’t provide you with any better reason than one you can find in every thread just like this one all over this forum. Suffice to say a few months ago everyone was fine with invisible rank when it was speculation, just so long as they could see their own and use it as a personal goal. Now all the sudden speculation confirmed, the developers gave their reasons for doing what they have done and everyone’s is butthurt over the very thing most of them said they would settle for not 3 months ago. So as for all these rank related posts all the sudden, I call bandwagoning, nostalgia blurred butthurtedness! Nothing more nothing less.

The bottom line, VSR is out, No amount of complaining will change that, the developers have given their reasons, and they’re sticking by their guns, with the amount of stuff they have done for the community at request they deserve ONE staunch position rather than all the blatant disrespect that seems to be gettin dolled out around here lately.

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Halo 4 should have a visible skill-based ranking system. Not adding such a system will diminish the competitive spirit of online Halo.

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> > > > > Great post, but yet you will probably get flooded by casual remarks and accused of just wanting bragging rights to grow your e-peen with.
> > > >
> > > > And to those naysayers I would ask why not?
> > > >
> > > > Casual players and fun lovers alike would still have their own playlists; more than likely those of us who play competitively (tryhard) would leave the social playlist and they would be more fun.
> > > >
> > > > I have no intention of belittling others for opinions as long as they back them up with reason and logic. I see no real reason why we can’t have a skill based ranking system.
> > >
> > > My question to you is: why waste your time writing posts like this?
> > >
> > > I challenge you to go to another forum like Gaf and see how many people shoot you down with more supported and eloquently informed posts that slap you in one sentence and change your way of thinking with the next.
> >
> > For future games in the series.
> >
> > I doubt they will change my thinking. I challenge you to provide me a reason why ranking is a bad idea.
>
> I can’t provide you with any better reason than one you can find in every thread just like this one all over this forum. Suffice to say a few months ago everyone was fine with invisible rank when it was speculation, just so long as they could see their own and use it as a personal goal. Now all the sudden speculation confirmed, the developers gave their reasons for doing what they have done and everyone’s is butthurt over the very thing most of them said they would settle for not 3 months ago. So as for all these rank related posts all the sudden, I call bandwagoning, nostalgia blurred butthurtedness! Nothing more nothing less.
>
> The bottom line, VSR is out, No amount of complaining will change that, the developers have given their reasons, and they’re sticking by their guns, with the amount of stuff they have done for the community at request they deserve ONE staunch position rather than all the blatant disrespect that seems to be gettin dolled out around here lately.

I have disrespected no one, and was not present for the previous “invisible ranks” discussion.

I dislike the idea immensely unless there are specifically tightly held stats and ranks that match people based on similar ranks for a more competitive and fair matchmaking.

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We have been assured that true skill systems will be tighter and more appropriately matching players. We’ll know if this is true either through talking in lobbies or playing for a couple weeks.

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Calm down. There is a skill-based ranking system, it affects matches. You can see your skill-based rank.

You just don’t get to see a little number next to your gamertag.

Why does it matter so much? I know I don’t speak for everyone, but you shouldn’t have to use a number to determine people’s skill and abilities. A number means nothing, the real skill… the real competitiveness is in the game. You have to prove yourself in the game, you show your skill in the game. You shouldn’t need a number to show that you are good.

As for a reason to play, you still shouldn’t rely on a number to want to be good. The game is where its at. If you lose, you should want to get better. If you win, you should want to keep winning and keep improving. Its really all you should need.

Besides bragging rights, there isn’t really anything different between visible and invisible ranks. You can still see yours, and if it matters so much, compare and boast your ranks over your mic. Get creative and make your call sign your rank. (Assuming you can customize those).