Bringing the Arbiter back at any point in time. Whether this game or the next would be a huge win for 343.
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Exactly.
Elites are simply unbalanced. That’s why Bungie gave up on balancing them in Reach. They made an entire asymmetrical mode over it. It was pretty great.
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Yeah, it seems like 343 is obsessed with branding Halo assets a “Spartan” something. In MCC, you’ve got your “Spartan” Points, your “Spartan” career, “Spartan” ranks, etc.
“Spartan” This and “Spartan” that, the Haloverse has other characters, like ODSTs, Elites, etc. Can they not just call these things “Halo” points and so on and so on?
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if it is like previous playable elites (wonky hitboxes), that will be the day i finally give up on playing infinite and chaulk it up to a loss.
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I remember a twitter post by I think… Unyshek, and he stated that elites are a possibility in Infinite. Just, not any priority right now or possibly in the rear future.
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This would be the one (Unyshek is tagged in this tweet):
https://twitter.com/ske7ch/status/1518735958191005696
“I applaud your passion and gusto! But I will give it to you straight - We have a lot of fundamental issues to go after. We may eventually get playable Elites but sorry to say it’s not a current priority or actively being worked on right now”
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Here is how it should go.
Give us 3 separate categories of Character Customization -
- Spartan Armor Cores
- ODST Armor BDUs
- Elite Combat Suits
Spartans are used for the most of the game modes, with the exception being Helljumper Firefight Playlists, Shieldless Matches like SWAT, and Covenant Slayer playlists.
ODSTs are playable in Helljumper Firefight, Shieldless PvP Matches, and select custom games. ODSTs are unavailable in Ranked matches.
Elites are playable in social and custom games, asymmetric matches like Invasion, and Warzone Firefight. They are unable to be played in Ranked matches.
PROBLEM SOLVED
Now everyone will have a selected Spartan Armor Core, a selected ODST Armor BDU, and an Elite Combat Suit.
Now whenever you boot up for a playlist or a match, it will load the player the correct armor depending on the match or team you are playing in.
Ranked? Your selected custom Spartan armor core is loaded into the match.
Invasion and you are on Covenant/Banished Team? Your active Elite Combat Suit is loaded in.
Helljumper Firefight? Your custom ODST is loaded in.
Warzone Firefight? Red Team is Covenant/Banished and Blue Team is Spartans.
Grifball match in play? Choose your preferred species to load in as either your Spartan or your Elite.
Now everyone wins and gets what they want.
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I certainly had fun in Invasion, especially when I wanted to get my Wort WOrt Wort on, but for the moment I mostly agree with your reasoning. The main point I disagree with is that I don’t think that balance was the main issue, but rather time.
Because Infinite is aiming to be capable of deep customization on every core (RIP Yoroi lol), my guess is that making a satisfactory Elite customization model would be difficult, and to be quite frank, useless as well. As previously mentioned, not a ton of people used Elites and the ones who did would very much be in the minority. Plus, with Elites we’d have seen double the problems we had seen with both armor, starting stance, and even MTX pricing as we had at launch.
While I do want Elites back, I think we can hold off for a bit until we get Invasion or Warzone, or even something new entirely that utilizes Spartan versus Elite.
This is an interesting idea, one I don’t think was really utilized before. In Quick Play, or the social rotational one, you could add Elite ____, so for example, Elite Oddball would be like normal Oddball but with Plasma Pistols and Pulse Carbine/Plasma Repeater (please bring it back). And the weapon spawns could be modified to bias towards Elite, Banished, and Covenant weapons.
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He did reference playable elites one day. I wish invasion would come back. 12v12 would be dope!
Yeah no those are also all valid points. Bolt on balancing and… Yeah, it’s a mess.
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Any news? Any timeline? Anything? I miss Arby.
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I say let’s 343i fix som of the bigger thing first and than we can ask for are favorite elites back.
May this be the year of the Elites for my Sangheili friends out there.
343 has a skill issue. That’s it. They made playable Elites for H2A, so we know they can do it. They can’t argue it’s for balance either, because they could just disable Elites in Ranked. SOCIAL DOESN’T NEED STRICT BALANCING. Every single previous Halo sandbox was severely unbalanced, BUT AT LEAST IT WAS FUN.
The only reason is that they don’t feel like it, even knowing damn well they can make a ton of money from it if they did. The entire Spartan system could be condensed into a single Spartan crosscore, and then Elites could be its own core, like any other Halo in MCC.
They could have an ODST core and a Marine core too for all I care. Even a Grunt core. Idc, as long as its only in SOCIAL
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Because muh spartan story(even though they refuse to let us use our spartans for story that actually matters)
How do you know that they were working on them?
There is a mega thread for this