I been following peoples win percentage in ranked and noticed some people stay at higher rates than others, even if some of them play and perform worse than me in regards to stats, kda, damage, etc they’re still at 55 to 58 % and it keeps them at a higher rank than mine. its been a more than a month and there is no change to either my low mid 40% to some peoples high 50 %. How is someone who has less skill than me in a higher rank with higher win percentage than someone who performs a lot better and is kept at a lower rank?
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because win rate is literally just games won divided by games played. it has nothing to do with performance just wins compared to total games. Sounds like you consistently win 4 out of 10 games on average and the people you are looking at are winning 5-6 out of every 10 games.
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Do you think it’s possible to have an incredibly high kda/damage/score and still lose an objective gametype?
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Youre response is irrelevant to my question you obviously dont know what im talking about.
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why answer a question you cant comprehend i bet you both dont even play ranked games
you don’t understand your question. Your performance in-game has nothing to do with win percentage. Only if you win or lose. You can finish with 100 kills and 0 deaths, lose the game, and your win percentage goes down. The only numbers win percentage uses are total games won and total games played. wins divided by games played. play 100, win 44, win percentage 44%.
And yes I play ranked on console and PC. I think only maybe 5 out of my last 100 games have been non-ranked games.
Youre not even answering my question. I asked how is it possible that someone who performs worse than me, is at a higher rank than someone who plays a lot better in a “ranked” game. And i pointed out win percentage because each game has a % win rate and i get games with very low chances of winning( 3 onyx 1 diamond on the other and i get 3 mid level diamonds). Also the reason i mention this is because its a fact that 343 said the game will keep people as close as possible to 50% win rate and some people are at 55 or higher and they are the ones who stay at high ranks. Ive seen someone go from 1600 onyx to diamond, does that mean he lost the skill used to get to onyx? no the game just game him low percent win games with unbalanced teams.
Because some people are better than you
That is a different question. Your question was “Why does this game keep some peoples WIN PERCENTAGE at a higher rate than others?” Literally the title of your post! Answer: Because they are winning more than you.
To answer your question in THIS comment, because ranked is broken. My brother is a Gold 5, he solo queued Ranked Solo/Duo KBM yesterday and his team was 3 high onyx players and himself. The enemy team was 2 onyx players and 2 Diamond 5 players. He went 7 and 43… but two of the Onyx teammates went 50-25ish carrying him to an Oddball win.
The part 2 answer to your question is that your visible rank and the rank they use to match you with others is not the same. We did a test a few weeks back and made accounts that ranked in as Bronze 1. After 3 games, we never saw a teammate or enemy below Gold. By the time we hit Bronze 6, every other player in the game was Plat 3 to Onyx.
The amount of rank progression per game is also broken. I won 6 in a row to take me from mid-Plat 6 to Diamond 1 a few weeks ago. I lost the next game and lost the progression from all 6 wins plus a little further down than I started before those 6 wins.
The mixture of these broken systems makes matchmaking a disaster!
My question is absolutely the most relevant question in response to your entire thread.
No that is just the header question but it keeps going with the paragraph it is one question in all, you chose to answer only half and i cant post the whole thing in the header.
If it makes you feel better, i guess, but your question made it clear you didnt comprehend the question cause you have no real knowledge on the subject, i never said im not allowed to lose games.
Is English a second language for you? You are the one not comprehending your own post and the responses. Good luck kiddo.
Im the one who had to ask one of my questions twice for you to answer, its ok to not have the correct answer for everything or knowledge on everything, unless it hurts your ego.
They could be partied up with higher skilled friends so even though they aren’t doing well individually, they still win more and keep their rank up.
this game is about kills in the end. Winning will obviously help you rank up faster, but losing a match while having a good KDA will result in almost no KP penalty.
Thanks for the detailed response. I will just say that- that is exactly what i do, in games i lose but do well (better than team mates), with high kda i still would lose up to 15 csr in my onyx rank, meaning i outperformed team mates, yet i still lost a high amount of csr. Then afterwards, i would win a game and would only get 1 csr no matter what place i ended up in. In my opinion halo does do what you mentioned ea games implemented but knowing 343 they will probably never address this.
that’s because in Onyx it’s hard to really find balanced matches as the population in this rank is not high enough. You’re usually fighting people below your rank so the reward is low and if you lose you are losing to people who are ranked below you. I’m kind of stuck in low Onyx because in my region I hardly find matches that are Onyx only. Most of the time there is 1 Onyx (me) and another on the other side to balance things out, but that’s it.
Most games will implement something similar to what EA implemented on their games called EOMM - there is a paper out there with this and they sell it to game studios. The purpose of this model is to keep you engaged even if that means making you feel miserable but dedicated to grinding. This is easily seen on Apex. The moment you do a little better it will make you play against the most ridiculous lobbies with the worse teammates they can find, basically to force you to lose points. This obviously makes people feel miserable, but the next day they will give you normal lobbies again and you feel you’re getting somewhere again. In the end, they are forcing 50/50 winrate so that it will take forever for you to rank up and will keep you grinding for longer. That’s why they have half season splits as well. It’s a model for continuous grinding.
Never said other models were good or better than the Halo model. Both examples suck in their own way. Don’t worry, I’m taking the time to detail how a ranked system should work and I will make a post.
Halo on the other hand doesn’t adopt this. It will eventually put you in tougher lobbies, but it’s trying to figure out if you’re ready to play against better players. If you don’t do well, it will scale back quickly so you’re back at fighting normal lobbies. Most people grinding the game will eventually do ok, but they won’t get to the higher ranks because winning is not enough, you need to outperform everyone.
I can appreciate that you think that is how the Halo model works but as I said, we tested their model and it fails as hard as the other models. Sorry but in no world was my Gold 5 brother “ready” to be considered against a game of 5 onyx and 2 diamond 5 players. He barely holds his own with mid plat players some of the time. Your claim is not backed by reality.
In my opinion, matchmaking in Halo is one of the best available in the current generation because it still uses the model that games used to have back in the day. If you’re good, you can get to Onyx in no time because it’s not win/loss only. It also allows you to play with your friends no matter their level.
There are many things about the Halo model that were refreshing improvements, in theory. In practice, they failed miserably at the execution. Gains and losses are random and pointless. Matchmaking is atrocious! and there are more players in Onyx than any other rank except diamond 1. Onyx should have the least amount of players with a curve starting low at Bronze, peaking at about Gold 4 and dropping back down at the same rate to Onyx. Being Onyx doesn’t mean anything if most people can achieve it and clearly shows that their system is not working to reflect actual player skill.
Last part here, If you want to play with friends regardless of skill, don’t play ranked. Your trashcan friend is ruining the game for everyone else in that game. Ranked isn’t for your casual game with friends. It is a game mode designed for those that want to take the competition of the game more seriously. Go play literally any other game mode from the huge list if you want to play casually with friends. Literally, the first thing on my document of changes to ranked is setting a limit that prevents huge rank gaps from queuing together.
@ZeroSine2760 you’re an idiot. refrain from commenting.
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Lets break down your post kiddo.
I been following peoples win percentage in ranked and noticed some people stay at higher rates than others,
Answer, you have won about 40% of their games, they have won more than that.
even if some of them play and perform worse than me in regards to stats, kda, damage, etc they’re still at 55 to 58 % and it keeps them at a higher rank than mine.
Answer, stats don’t affect win rates. They have still won 55-58% of games they have played and you are still only winning about 40% of your games.
its been a more than a month and there is no change to either my low mid 40% to some peoples high 50 %.
Answer, In a month, you are still only winning 40% of your games and the other people are still winning more than 50% of their games. It’s simple math.
How is someone who has less skill than me in a higher rank with higher win percentage than someone who performs a lot better and is kept at a lower rank?
Blame your team, blame whatever you want but the answer is still, you are winning about 40% of your games and they are winning more than you. Why? who knows? Maybe they are getting carried, maybe it is bad rank progression. It doesn’t change the simple point that you aren’t winning games.
Also, I looked up the profile that matches your name here, and contrary to your claim, if that player is you, you have consistently been below average on your team when you do manage to win. Sounds like you are already playing below the rank you are in.