WHY DOES 343 KEEP MESSING UP OBJECTIVE?

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Since the last thread got locked because of unruly posters please try to keep it civil and On Topic!

I understand that there are those who like slayer gametypes. That’s fine. Believe it or not there are those of us who prefer objective, and not just to farm kills like the slayer players. I’ve played Halo since Halo I and the reason I even bought the game (for mac) was because of Big Team CTF. Because although killing people was ok, albeit kind of boring, having an objective to achieve was AWESOME!

Problem 1: Objective games keep being put to the back of the bus as far as: taking away game types, putting them in other playlists with fewer maps/players available, putting them in playlists with MLG type rules etc. Please give the objective players the same respect you show slayer players. Also FYI “Regicide” is not an objective gametype because it only involves killing, Duh. It would help objective matters if you would reward people for actually playing the objective more than killing people in an objective game. Isn’t that what all those slayer gametypes are for?

Problem 2: Where the heck is Big Team Objective?

It has been in every halo game EVER(except ODST). What’s the problem? Put it in.

Problem 3: Why did “king of the hill” and “oddball” get taken away as playlists? Put them back.

Problem 4: Where is “One flag”?

Problem 5: Where is “assault”? It also has been in every halo game EVER(except ODST). You have “griffball” which is a type of “assault” give us “assault” back.

I will stop at this point in the hopes that 343 actually read this.

Fix it please. You’re ruining a fantastic game by catering so much to slayer players.

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Since the last thread got locked because of unruly posters please try to keep it civil and On Topic!

I understand that there are those who like slayer gametypes. That’s fine. Believe it or not there are those of us who prefer objective, and not just to farm kills like the slayer d-bags. I’ve played Halo since Halo I and the reason I even bought the game (for mac) was because of Big Team CTF. Because although killing people was ok, albeit kind of boring, having an objective to achieve was AWESOME!

Problem 1: Objective games keep being put to the back of the bus as far as: taking away game types, putting them in other playlists with fewer maps/players available, putting them in playlists with stupid MLG type rules etc. Please give the objective players the same respect you show slayer d-bags. Also FYI “Regicide” is not an objective gametype because it only involves killing, Duh. It would help objective matters if you would reward people for actually playing the objective more than killing people in an objective game. Isn’t that what all those slayer gametypes are for?

Problem 2: Where the heck is Big Team Objective?

It has been in every halo game EVER(except ODST). What’s the problem? Put it in.

Problem 3: Why did “king of the hill” and “oddball” get taken away as playlists? Put them back.

Problem 4: Where is “One flag”?

Problem 5: Where is “assault”? It also has been in every halo game EVER(except ODST). You have “griffball” which is a type of “assault” give us “assault” back.

I will stop at this point in the hopes that 343 actually read this.

Fix it please. You’re ruining a fantastic game by catering so much to slayer players.

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I agree. I am an objective player, I play for wins, not kills, and Halo 4 isn’t the game it should or could be.

343 has created multiple nice asymmetic maps, but then decided to ruin CTF gameplay on them by eliminating the one flag variant that would work well on maps like Abandon, Complex, etc: i.e. One Flag CTF.

They continue to create other CTF variants, like those seen in Team Throwback, which aren’t needed, nor wanted, while they continue to ignore what we do want… Why no Neutral Flag? Why no One Flag? Why no flag without those inane icons telling everyone where the flag is? Bungie never had waypoints… This isn’t COD… Ever wonder why nobody plays COD objective games? And then you decided to match those circumstances? Pretty dumb.

Then, 343 decides not to include a core game in Assault. The only thing resembling assault is Griffball… Don’t lie to us and tell us people didn’t play bomb. It was obviously the second most popular objective game behind Flag in the history of Halo… and you’ve taken it away… why? I couldn’t tell you… Probably for the same reason you “geniuses” took out multiflag from Halo: Reach for the last 6 months of it’s life before Halo 4 was released last year.

In terms of points, why not add a bonus on objective games that would encourage people to play the objective rather than farm kills in objective because they’re too bad at killing to actually achieve them in slayer? Or even separate the K/D into Slayer and Objective… Something that would encourage actual gameplay over farming… This is Halo, not Slayer Farmville. Do something to make it so.

So, let’s review:

  1. 343 took away multiflag from Halo: Reach.
  2. 343 then releases Halo 4 with only multiflag and no One Flag or Neutral Flag.
  3. 343 forgot that COD objective games suck and aren’t played by hardly anyone actually wanting to play the objective, and stuck icons above all the objective players’ heads.
  4. 343 decided Assault wasn’t worth adding to the game, but Dominion, Extraction, and Regicide somehow were?
  5. Extraction is at least an objective game… why isn’t it the third option in Objective instead of Regicide, which isn’t objective?
  6. And 343 has provided no incentive for winning as opposed to farming kills in objective because kids suck when people are actually shooting back at them instead of a turkey shoot in a giant glowing circle.

You don’t have to listen to us, of course… Then again, Destiny will be out soon, so, you also aren’t going to be the only game in town… Your choice, 343. If you only want to cater to the slayers, that’s fine… after a decade with Halo, and one game with you, I’ll just go back to Bungie. They aren’t hard fixes… but they aren’t fixes for slayer players… they’re fixes of objective, for objective players… shocking, I know.

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I feel the same way. My k/d in slayer gametypes is actually positive, but because I play more objective than slayer, and I actually play the objective, my over all k/d is negative. I’m happy to sacrifice my k/d to win games. People act like you’re bad because your k/d is crap, when they have considerable more losses than wins.

As far as playlists go, objective always gets the shaft if favor of slayer. They even introduced Infinity CTF into rotation which promotes killing more than playing the flag, even though capturing a flag instantly grants ordinance, it brings the game closer to a close, and people won’t be able to farm with their requisition/ammo loadout anymore.

Team Doubles came out and the only objective game in it is CTF and only on two maps. Of course, just like in Reach, it’s always the last option, and that’s if it even shows up at all. Why is there no oddball or king? Why should people who actually want to play objective doubles be forced to play slayer almost every time.

One of my biggest problems with the game is that there doesn’t seem to be any punishment for leaving games. In fact, it seems to be encouraged. It’s okay to leave, your spot just gets filled in with other people… sometimes. I’ve played some games where spots are filled almost as soon as they are emptied, even 5 or 6 times in a single game. On the flip side there are games where people quit in pregame and the spots are never filled. My personal favorite, though, was when I was in a party of 5 in a CTF queue, and we were joined into an active game where the enemy team already had 4 captures and was on the way back with the 5th. This of course boggled my mind considering the team size in CTF is 5, which means the last person on the team quit and instead of ending the game, as it should have, it decided to fill all the slots with my team somehow. How does that even make sense?

Also, bring back the phoenix emblem.

I’d like to believe voicing these opinions would actually cause action and influence some sort of change, but after seeing how objective has been treated in past Halo titles, by both 343 and Bungie, I’m not holding my breath.

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> Since the last thread got locked because of unruly posters please try to keep it civil and On Topic!
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> Problem 1: Objective games keep being put to the back of the bus as far as: taking away game types, putting them in other playlists with fewer maps/players available, putting them in playlists with stupid MLG type rules etc. Please give the objective players the same respect you show slayer d-bags. Also FYI “Regicide” is not an objective gametype because it only involves killing, Duh. It would help objective matters if you would reward people for actually playing the objective more than killing people in an objective game. Isn’t that what all those slayer gametypes are for?

I don’t see any reason to call them Slayer D-bags for enjoying their favorite gametype. There is no reason to discriminate. Trying to kill a specific person could be considered an objective, you can still lose the game with less kills across the board if you kill the king many more times than they kill yours. Also this seems like various problems in within one number.

> Problem 2: Where the heck is Big Team Objective?

Not a bad idea. Whynaught instead of complaining about it, pitch it as an idea to be put into the game.

> Problem 3: Why did “king of the hill” and “oddball” get taken away as playlists? Put them back.

This was the only game that these were actually a separated playlist as far as I can remember and they didn’t fair too well on their own. They were consistently one of the lowest populated playlists. Oddball was going aroudn 600 at some points of the day. It provides a larger population for a variety of gametypes.

> Problem 4: Where is “One flag”?

Never really cared for this gametype. Who knows if its even possible in Halo 4

> Problem 5: Where is “assault”? It also has been in every halo game EVER(except ODST). You have “griffball” which is a type of “assault” give us “assault” back.

Well, I guess it was in CE, but it was just reverse CTF. This wasn’t a bad gametype, but since Grifball was changed to have an Oddball instead of a bomb I doubt you’ll see this gametype Halo 4.

> Fix it please. You’re ruining a fantastic game by catering so much to slayer players.

Playlists have almost always favored Objective, populations usually reflect the reason why that is. Slayer playlists are almost always more populated than Objective. Separating playlists just so people can play that specific objective just doesn’t work. Too small of playlists especially late at night. Grouping them together gives you the opportunity to play what you want at all hours of the day.

We do have feedback forums, you don’t have to come in here bashing MLG and Slayer players for doing what they enjoy. Take use of the feedback forums and give constructive criticism instead of bashing 343i to try to get what you want.

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Agreed on all points

I am just SHOCKED at how long the wait has been.

Team Objective just REVERTED to 4v4 play - FAILURE

CTF 5v5 now mired by non-asked-for Infinity settings - FAILURE

BTB: Objective still missing while the Slayer kids get constant updates - FAILURE

What in the world is going on with these people.

Just give us the playlists and let us play.

Stop punishing us for wanting to play objectives with proper sized teams.

So sick of waiting. These people are crazy if the TU doesn’t fix this.

Whaaaaaaaat is goiinngg ooonnnnnnnnnn maaaaaaan

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You’re an idiot, CHL007. The last thread got locked because you have the maturity of a 1 week old puppy and can’t handle others’ viewpoints.

There were quality discussions trying to be had, but you had to shut down every one of them by calling the posters “foolish” and mis-quoting them (i.e. You made a

> with their name but changed their actual quote to something along the lines of “Yadda yadda yadda”)
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> So no, the last thread wasn’t locked because of Slayer d-bags trying to go off topic - it was locked because you can’t handle yourself online.
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> I’m going to do everything in my power to lock this thread as well.[/SPOILER]

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Considering the fact that I (On behalf of my entire clan) care a great deal about THIS particular issue, and DID NOT read the previous locked thread, perhaps YOU, Timbers fan need to just calm the yoink! down and exit stage left.

Objective gameplay has been arbitrarily decimated with no answers, reason or logic provided.

Please stay on topic and remember to stay calm- Some of us are simply trying to raise awareness of these key issues so that this game can be saved.

After all, the “Slayer D-Bags” already have everything they’ve ever wanted.

We simply want our playlists back, and the right to play with all our friends- Limiting us to 4v4 and 5v5 is simply pathetic.

Crimson DLC was our last chance at 6v6- And it’s gone, to be replaced by - YOU GUESSED IT- More small team play.

Terrible. Just terrible.

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The OP listed some things that I do and do not agree with,
I agree with the fact that there is no more assault game mode which I miss, or the fact that BTB OBJ isn’t in the game.
But by calling out a particular type of player wont get your thread looked at. If you can be respectful and try to have a non hostile discussion with others that have different views than you, then your topic wont get locked just some friendly advice.

Also I miss Multi-Team hopefully this is the next Playlist they will add.

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I don’t see why the Oddball and KOTH playlists couldn’t stay separate. Seriously, 600 people is still a lot of people, especially on a game as lowly populated as Halo 4. Heck, it was being out Crimson DLC.

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Well, 343i DID state recently that they are sort of re-considering their population-based decision making, but we’ve yet to see this trickle down to actual results- The lack of BTB: OBJ is a prime example of this. With no reason to leave it out, it makes you wonder what is going on behind the scenes.

I think Team Throwdown is a solid attempt at bringing things back to an exciting gameplay experience, especially mixing in the objective types- I’m just still suffering from stomach pains anticipating this Title Update when it comes to these painfully small forced party sizes.

If TU doesn’t restore these things, I don’t think we’ll ever get them back.

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> Since the last thread got locked because of unruly posters please try to keep it civil and On Topic!

It was locked because you repeatedly miss used quote feature and attacked other users. Calling folks who enjoy slayer “Dbags” is not what I would call being civil btw.

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> After all, the “Slayer D-Bags” already have everything they’ve ever wanted.

LOL. Really? So where are the playlists that are Slayer but don’t have Ordnance Drops? Don’t stoop to the OP’s level and clump all of the Slayer-players into one group, just as I don’t group objective players into one group (because if I did, I would look at all the objective players and think about how immature they must be, considering the OP is immature and loves objectives).

> We simply want our playlists back, and the right to play with all our friends- Limiting us to 4v4 and 5v5 is simply pathetic.

So do I. I would love BTB objective. I even said so in the previous thread.

My point is, there are things that different people will agree and disagree on.

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> Considering the fact that I (On behalf of my entire clan) care a great deal about THIS particular issue, and DID NOT read the previous locked thread, perhaps YOU, Timbers fan need to just calm the yoink! down and exit stage left.
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> Please stay on topic and remember to stay calm- Some of us are simply trying to raise awareness of these key issues so that this game can be saved.

No, I shouldn’t calm down. I refuse to acknowledge the arguments set forth by the original poster due to previous encounters with them that proved they have very little control over their actions, can’t understand other peoples’ opinions, and resort to name calling and other immature tactics to try to avoid responding to questions.

> After all, the “Slayer D-Bags” already have everything they’ve ever wanted.

LOL. Really? So where are the playlists that are Slayer but don’t have Ordnance Drops? Don’t stoop to the OP’s level and clump all of the Slayer-players into one group, just as I don’t group objective players into one group (because if I did, I would look at all the objective players and think about how immature they must be, considering the OP is immature and loves objectives).

> We simply want our playlists back, and the right to play with all our friends- Limiting us to 4v4 and 5v5 is simply pathetic.

So do I. I would love BTB objective. I even said so in the previous thread.

My point is, there are things that different people will agree and disagree on. I happen to partly agree and partly disagree with the OP, and I got called foolish because of it. I will report this thread once more now, because there are multiple reports of immaturity by the OP.

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I’d have to agree with the core message here, 343 is really missing the mark on the objective games. We have some fantastic 2 flag/bomb maps for btb and we get to do what? Nothing but slayer…

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Answer 1…i don’t get it does it had to do with kills? We always go for kills in Objective game cause our enemies are in the way of our objective.

Answer 2…They just forgot be patient tehy’ll add it eventually.

Answer 3…No they’re not gonna bring them back as seperate playlists because they had low populations so they merge them together along with Team Regicide as one Team Objective playlist.

Answer’s 4 & 5…Again they just forget and i don’t think they had enough time to realise that they should be included too. They’ll bring them back in a Title update someday i hope.

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I already handled this, and explicitly told the OP that they should create a new thread, to avoid the associated baggage.
It is not your job to lecture other members on their past actions. Doing so is rarely helpful. Flaming and attacking while doing so is never helpful. Purposefully attempting to derail the thread is about as far from helpful as you can possibly get. If you think a post is breaking the rules, then report it without responding. Openly confronting a post that you perceive to be malicious never ends well, so please don’t do it.
To those who have been behaving similarly: This thread isn’t titled “Please Lecture Me For My Behavior Elsewhere”. Stop treating it like it is.