No, this isnt another one of “those threads”
also, the Pole is just something semi-off topic about the BR.
Those of you who were in the forums earlier in the Halo countdown (around about 80-90 days from release) will remember how many complaints there were about the BR being a 5SK instead of a 4SK because they “statistically” could tell from the low quality MLG videos that the BR’s fire rate would give it a slower kill time than the DMR. I would always wonder what a millisecond of difference would be. I even made a post about how the BR would be infinitely better than the DMR, NOT balanced, if were a 4SK. I also kept asking myself “Why? Why do they care if it’s a tiny bit worse than another gun?”
“they” also never seemed to do the same kind of defending for other guns (carbine comes to mind). ie, they’d say making the BR a 4SK would make it’s kill time 1.35 or something like that which is about 0.5 faster than the DMR’s 1.40. I would think to myself “Wait a minute, arent they just contradicting themselves? they stated that a few milliseconds is a huge issue but now they want it to be BETTER than the other gun?”
Think about it, if the affection for the DMR and the BR were switched, I’m sure the arguments in this forum would have been very different than what we’re seeing now, which lead me to the question “why do you care? why do you care so much about the BR that it wouldn’t be okay for it to lose about a millisecond to another very similar gun that you would risk not buying an amazing game? <mark>why is it okay for the DMR to have a slower kill time while the BR beats it but not the other way around?</mark>”(Do note that I’m not in any way encouraging a less powerful BR to be in the game. on the contrary, I will probably be using it 70% of the time) which leads to the poll I’ve just put up.
So why do YOU care about the BR’s dominance? (<— this is a seperate question from the poll)
I think the weapons will be very balanced , atleast that’s the over arching message I have gotten from all the recent videos and interviews. In there own respective ranges I think the weapons will win when they should and in the small spaces where the weapon ranges over lap the more skillful or thoughtful player will determine who wins and loses , as it should be.
I think the bigger problem most “skill” weapon users (snipers, br, dmr, lr) will run into is the automatic weapons within thier respective range. In the videos they are beastly , most times not even needing a melee to win.
The BR’s kill time is .34 slower than the DMR’s; that’s a LOT more than a “few miliseconds” and any competitive player knows that is enough to make quite a large difference. Quite honestly, the BR has became -Yoink- in this, and I really don’t blame anyone for getting upset over it.
I was planning on maining the Light Rifle and Carbine anyways, but the BR becoming the slowest killing precision weapon is a controversial choice to say the least.
It’s just nostalgia. So many of the “Vets” around here have this belief that Halo 3/2/1 is the greatest Halo to ever grace the Xbox. And with this belief, comes the opinion that the BR/CE Magnum is the greatest weapon to ever grace Halo. Anything contesting those weapons is just blasphemous.
Personally, I look forward to change and look forward to the other weapons finally giving the BR a run for its money.
And for the record, I’ll be primarily using the BR. I’ll use the DMR, Carbine, and Light Rifle to mix it up, but BR will probably be my main.
The difference between 1.4 and 1.8 seconds is huge compared to 1.3 and 1.4. The problem with the BR is that it has a slower rate of fire, less accuracy, but the same amount of shots to kill as the DMR. The DMR is automatically a better weapon in any situation.
I really think 343 was lying when they said they were looking to Halo CE for weapon balance; because the BR, Storm Rifle, and Suppressor just seem absolutely worthless compared to the other weapons that fill their same roll.
> The difference between 1.4 and 1.8 seconds is huge compared to 1.3 and 1.4. The problem with the BR is that it has a slower rate of fire, less accuracy, but the same amount of shots to kill as the DMR. The DMR is automatically a better weapon in any situation.
How are people getting these stats? it’s so inconsistent. I remember the different kill times that were posted on so many different topics, 1.5, 1.41, 1.9, 1.76 etc. I just dont know where you guys are getting it. it’s not like you have a state of the art super theater mode to go in and see every single frame to compare it.
Also, I think you’re looking at it the wrong way: it’s less accurate because it’s a 3 shot burst. it has no bloom but bullet spread. if it was super precise like Halo 2’s BR, there’d be no need for the DMR. besides, it’s MEANT to be less effective… at longer ranges. and if it means so much, they should just increase the fire rate, not the damage, so that it remains a 5SK but can still have the same kill time. but again, I dont see the difference in fire rate between the two guns, they seem to fire at the same rate.
See, it doesn’t matter if it was the god-weapon in Halo 2/3 anymore. Because in Halo 4, it isn’t the god-weapon. lol
This is why I will be going with the Carbine mostly. It has always been my favorite just because it was a great Covie weapon and it actually allowed headshots.
People have looked into frames (most accurate way of determining these things) and after multiple times came to the conclusion that, based on the most recent footage;
DMR: 1.46s (44f)
Carbine: 1.63 (49f)
BR: 1.80s (54f)*
LR unscoped: 1.80s (54f)
LR scoped: 1.40s (42f)*
Basically, the BR is disadvantaged by having less accuracy due to spread, less zoom, and a rather longer kill time, with nothing to redeem that kill time like the LR has when zoomed in. There simply seems to be no advantage what so ever in using the BR.
Whilst most players will not notice these things, for many better players these issues alone could very well render the BR simply not worth using at all compared to the LR and DMR.
Thus, many people would like an adjustment that would bring the BR kill time slightly more in line with the carbine’s, mainly by making the BR a 4 shot instead of 5 but adjusting the time between bursts a little.
Ah, see the weapon is meant to be a short-medium range weapon. It isn’t meant to compete with those guns at a range. Therefore that argument makes little sense.
> Ah, see the weapon is meant to be a short-medium range weapon. It isn’t meant to compete with those guns at a range. Therefore that argument makes little sense.
But it will get beaten at every range, so it makes perfect sense. The carbine is in the same range category yet kills faster, the DMR is primarily long range but also just as usable by any decent player in short/mid range and kills faster, and whilst i’m not entirely sure of the LR’s intended range it will kill quicker over medium and long range when zoomed in and be identical at short range, unzoomed in.
