What I’m sure people have noticed in WZFF is that many covenant bosses have human ranks. There’s Colonel here and a commander there but I don’t see the point in it all since we’ve had established Covenant ranks for over a decade now.
This confusion stared in Halo Reach when the Zealots of old we’re called Generals and the Majors we’re called Officers. What made it a tad bit more merciful was that I was told by a friend that the army didn’t use many of the nicknames the marines did. From their observations, Majors acted as officers and Zealots acted as command leadership while the Field Marshal was at the top of the food chain and thus had an equalizing name given to them.
Then in Halo 4 we saw the new Elite Commander rank. This was also confusing since this was Jul’s Covenant and it had huge ties to the original. So why change from the major? Again it had it’s reason. The Elite commander did act as the major similar to the officer but was called commander because they weren’t exactly fitting to the same role as majors. They weren’t field commanders at all times they we’re just officers as we see them in our own military.
Now with Halo 5 we have an Elite (whose name I can’t remember) that is a colonel. You see, that’s more specific then officer or commander. Colonel isn’t a general term to show command or authority it’s just a human given rank.
Has this elite worked with humans in the past and taken the rank of Colonel, has he taken the title to insult the old Covenant regime or did he just like the ring of Colonel (insert gibberish here) and rolled with it? I don’t know and I’d personally like to find out why he’s of that rank. I think there’s a highly likely chance that he’s worked with insurrectionist groups and was given the title by them but I could be horribly wrong.
Why do you think Colonel (Space Japanese) has his rank?
well when it shows “elite xxx” thats the human term, they are called sanghelli(spelling???), and even that one “blue team” called the grunts ungoy. thats their name, but in ff they call it a grunt something or other.
i think its just humans applying a familiar term so their soldiers don’t have to memorize a bunch of other stuff. so in the heat of battle, every soldier would know the human military ranks, so just apply that to the enemies so that they will know instantly how serious a situation can be
This is just my take on your question
Either A) its oversight
B) we dont know their true ranks and the simulation is filling in variables for what would go there
C) heretics like in halo reach?
I think its just something they had to change as if you look at the elites they change as well in body type and shape. In bungies halo’s they were hunched back but in 343 they have a more straight back. I think i saw a vid on this explain some theories to the elites but the ranks never came to my mind.
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I assume the ranks are translating to a near equivalent. Different branches of an individual country’s military have ranks that differ.
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> I think its just something they had to change as if you look at the elites they change as well in body type and shape. In bungies halo’s they were hunched back but in 343 they have a more straight back. I think i saw a vid on this explain some theories to the elites but the ranks never came to my mind.
one is from a planet, the other is from that planets moon. same species but evolved SLIGHTLY different.
i think i might because it is easier to understand their ranks
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That’s the worse reason to use them since it only serves the purpose of hurting the canon and imagination. I hope this isn’t true I can see it being done for that reason.
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> i think i might because it is easier to understand their ranks
It’s always been easy though…
Blue = minor (aka recruit)
Red = major
Black = stealth (they’re usually invisible so you won’t see it)
White = ultra
Gold = ship master and fleet master.
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> Blue = minor (aka recruit)
> Red = major
> Black = stealth (they’re usually invisible so you won’t see it)
> White = ultra
> Gold = ship master and fleet master.
Gold is also the B.O.B rank
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That too… man I forgot about bob
I think the ranks are there to denote the different shields and health plus their abilities amongs the elites as well.
The Blue and Reds have basic weapons and low-mid Shield strength and health. These are the minors,majors,storms and commanders.
Black and White elites are spec ops or outer space combat fitted. With active camouflage and jet packs and specialty weapons.
Gold, purple and what ever color a boss is are ultras, zealots or field marshals. Strongest shields and health with very to the most powerful weapons of the Covenant/Prometheans.
In the lore the ranks were based on combat experience and loyalty to the prophets. With special regard to the honor guard and zealots. After the great schism most followed the tribe leader or rival covenant remnant leader like the Arbiter or the late Jul’ Madama.
Now this isn’t the only type of way to show case the elites and Halo Reach certainly had quite a few Elite ranks.
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> What I’m sure people have noticed in WZFF is that many covenant bosses have human ranks. There’s Colonel here and a commander there but I don’t see the point in it all since we’ve had established Covenant ranks for over a decade now.
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> This confusion stared in Halo Reach when the Zealots of old we’re called Generals and the Majors we’re called Officers. What made it a tad bit more merciful was that I was told by a friend that the army didn’t use many of the nicknames the marines did. From their observations, Majors acted as officers and Zealots acted as command leadership while the Field Marshal was at the top of the food chain and thus had an equalizing name given to them.
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> Then in Halo 4 we saw the new Elite Commander rank. This was also confusing since this was Jul’s Covenant and it had huge ties to the original. So why change from the major? Again it had it’s reason. The Elite commander did act as the major similar to the officer but was called commander because they weren’t exactly fitting to the same role as majors. They weren’t field commanders at all times they we’re just officers as we see them in our own military.
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> Now with Halo 5 we have an Elite (whose name I can’t remember) that is a colonel. You see, that’s more specific then officer or commander. Colonel isn’t a general term to show command or authority it’s just a human given rank.
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> Has this elite worked with humans in the past and taken the rank of Colonel, has he taken the title to insult the old Covenant regime or did he just like the ring of Colonel (insert gibberish here) and rolled with it? I don’t know and I’d personally like to find out why he’s of that rank. I think there’s a highly likely chance that he’s worked with insurrectionist groups and was given the title by them but I could be horribly wrong.
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> Why do you think Colonel (Space Japanese) has his rank?
Did you ever think that the reason why some bosses have Colonel or Commander is to signify how important it is to kill them? I mean think about it: There is no longer established Sangheili ranks after the collapse of the covenant. Some Promethean bosses have the title Commander as well. Sangheili no longer have ranks, even rouge factions don’t either.
I just assumed it boils down to the UNSC making translations, so that the alien hierarchy can be analogous to their own hierarchy.
The same thing happens IRL when you hear people discussing gangs or foreign armies.
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> Blue = minor (aka recruit)
> Red = major
> Black = stealth (they’re usually invisible so you won’t see it)
> White = ultra
> Gold = ship master and fleet master.
the original stealth elites were light blue. the Spec ops elites were black. in halo 2 the spec ops elites were purple.
In a Cannon Fodder way back when, it was said that not all Bosses are necessarily true to “real” life.
Basically the names themselves aren’t necessarily real figures from within the narrative, unless you count the ones we’ve already met in the narrative like Jul Mdama.
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I swear to god I found a Bob last night…a gold recon
It is just human terms. For example, the UNSC refers to elites as elites. However, elites refer to themselves as Sangheili. So the elites could have their own rank names, but the UNSC just uses our commonly known ranks in order to understand how powerful or high up a particular elite is.
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> > What I’m sure people have noticed in WZFF is that many covenant bosses have human ranks. There’s Colonel here and a commander there but I don’t see the point in it all since we’ve had established Covenant ranks for over a decade now.
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> > This confusion stared in Halo Reach when the Zealots of old we’re called Generals and the Majors we’re called Officers. What made it a tad bit more merciful was that I was told by a friend that the army didn’t use many of the nicknames the marines did. From their observations, Majors acted as officers and Zealots acted as command leadership while the Field Marshal was at the top of the food chain and thus had an equalizing name given to them.
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> > Then in Halo 4 we saw the new Elite Commander rank. This was also confusing since this was Jul’s Covenant and it had huge ties to the original. So why change from the major? Again it had it’s reason. The Elite commander did act as the major similar to the officer but was called commander because they weren’t exactly fitting to the same role as majors. They weren’t field commanders at all times they we’re just officers as we see them in our own military.
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> > Now with Halo 5 we have an Elite (whose name I can’t remember) that is a colonel. You see, that’s more specific then officer or commander. Colonel isn’t a general term to show command or authority it’s just a human given rank.
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> > Has this elite worked with humans in the past and taken the rank of Colonel, has he taken the title to insult the old Covenant regime or did he just like the ring of Colonel (insert gibberish here) and rolled with it? I don’t know and I’d personally like to find out why he’s of that rank. I think there’s a highly likely chance that he’s worked with insurrectionist groups and was given the title by them but I could be horribly wrong.
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> Did you ever think that the reason why some bosses have Colonel or Commander is to signify how important it is to kill them? I mean think about it: There is no longer established Sangheili ranks after the collapse of the covenant. Some Promethean bosses have the title Commander as well. Sangheili no longer have ranks, even rouge factions don’t either.
I did but it makes no sense because The Arbiter is still called The Arbiter despite it being for thousands of a years a covenant exclusive name. Zealots still call themselves Zealots and ship masters also call themselves ship masters. Why would those not change but Minor, Major and Ultra would? They’re all attached to old sangheili and Covenant status but randomly choosen to be thrown out for the sake of reasons.
Did you ever think of the fact that when a boss is called LEGENDARY that it would imply that their rank, regardless of it’s context to other species would imply it’s of high status? We certainly aren’t getting any Legendary bosses that are called Sangheili Recruit anytime soon.
I would guess it is the same reason why every nationality translates other nationalities ranks into their own terminology, as it is easier for the troops to relate to.
I mean, you would never find an American Commander refering to a Danish Colonel as an “Oberst”, no, because that would just cause confusion as the troops most likely have no clue what an Oberst is.
So yes, that is my guess as to why =)