As the title says, whenever I play a social playlist (which I expect to be far more relaxed/laid back), I end up being matchmade against people with literally up to 5x my rank.
I have to try harder in Social Playlists than Ranked playlists - which is the counter opposite of how it should be.
Even when I set my matchmaking criteria to focused I keep get ridiculously high levels matchmaking against me. Why can’t I just be matched against people who are +/-50% of my rank. Surely there’s enough players to do this.
I just want to play against people who are as bad as me; it’s a real turn off (especially to new players) to get roflstomped frequently. It’s also wrong that in freak occurrences I’m able to roflstomp the other team.
Also, despite blocking someone I keep getting matchmade against them…?
All social means is rank isn’t involved. So you can match against anyone. So the game has to make games with the available players so yeah sometimes you maybe ranked against higher ranked players. Social doesn’t mean “easy games”.
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> All social means is rank isn’t involved. So you can match against anyone. So the game has to make games with the available players so yeah sometimes you maybe ranked against higher ranked players. Social doesn’t mean “easy games”.
I never asked for it to mean easy games.I asked to be matched against people of the same rank; which would mean a fair, competitive games.
Rank should be involved in social. It’s ridiculous to not use rank; it sucks for lower leveled players to get continuously owned at the game and it sucks to be a solo player constantly going up against teams.
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> > All social means is rank isn’t involved. So you can match against anyone. So the game has to make games with the available players so yeah sometimes you maybe ranked against higher ranked players. Social doesn’t mean “easy games”.
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> I never asked for it to mean easy games.I asked to be matched against people of the same rank; which would mean a fair, competitive games.
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> Rank should be involved in social. It’s ridiculous to not use rank; it sucks for lower leveled players to get continuously owned at the game and it sucks to be a solo player constantly going up against teams.
Well that is what ranked games are for. To be matched against similar ranks for competitive games.
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> All social means is rank isn’t involved. So you can match against anyone. So the game has to make games with the available players so yeah sometimes you maybe ranked against higher ranked players. Social doesn’t mean “easy games”.
Also I’d rather wait 10 minutes for a game of all solo players with a rank +/- 50% of mine than wait 1 minute and have a crap match because the teams are ridiculously imbalanced.
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> > > Well that is what ranked games are for. To be matched against similar ranks for competitive games.
You’re right there.
But I’d like to be matched against similar ranks for casual games; which I think is a very reasonable ask.
You know, like any normal person with a life outside of Halo that just wants to relax without getting curbstomped.
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> But I’d like to be matched against similar ranks for casual games; which I think is a very reasonable ask.
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> You know, like any normal person with a life outside of Halo that just wants to relax without getting curbstomped.
Well unfortunately H5 doesn’t have the population to support having playlist to suit every need. Some one at 343 has placed match making times above all else. But I can agree I would rather wait a bit longer for more evenly matched games as well. H5 is just a competitive game thought. Plays that way no matter what it seems to me.
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I wonder why. Perhaps if 343i didn’t overly cater to hardcore/competitive players by taking their word as godsend then the casual players wouldn’t have moved on from the game faster than they have in previous Halo games.
But I don’t think population is a valid argument. There should be both competitive and casual playlists – and you should always be matched with people of a similar skill level to yourself unless you explicitly tell the game that you don’t mind otherwise.
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> > H5 is just a competitive game thought. Plays that way no matter what it seems to me.
And sadly this was the biggest mistake 343i made with Halo 5.
They should take a note out of Halo 3’s book. Halo 3 was the pinnacle of Halo and even though at times matchmaking did screw you over, I’ve never felt as screwed in a social playlist as I have playing Halo 5. I just want to play people that are my level – so 343i need to explain why that isn’t the case (because anyone with common sense would agree that it’s only fair to match you against people of similar skill.) =/
Halo 3 had social, competitive, and hardcore playlists. Obviously there were flaws, but it was much more robust than Halo 5.
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> As the title says, whenever I play a social playlist (which I expect to be far more relaxed/laid back), I end up being matchmade against people with literally up to 5x my rank.
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> I have to try harder in Social Playlists than Ranked playlists - which is the counter opposite of how it should be.
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> Even when I set my matchmaking criteria to focused I keep get ridiculously high levels matchmaking against me. Why can’t I just be matched against people who are +/-50% of my rank. Surely there’s enough players to do this.
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> I just want to play against people who are as bad as me; it’s a real turn off (especially to new players) to get roflstomped frequently. It’s also wrong that in freak occurrences I’m able to roflstomp the other team.
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> Also, despite blocking someone I keep getting matchmade against them…?
Yeah in social it is unbalanced 80% of the time, usually a blowout.
If you are talking about player level/rank, (1-152) that has no effect on matchmaking. It reflects your total time played but doesn’t show your true skill.
I am going to assume that since you are talking about playing in social that you are referring to the opponents SR. That has nothing to do with skill. For example I am a SR147, but I am an average Gold and Plat player.
I also have to disagree with Lethal.Even in social your CSR is taken into account when getting matched. The SR is not. It may not be weighted as much, but it is.
Finally what can also be happening is a team running together with high and low CSR’s, and yes that does make for a frustrating time in social. I usually stick with Ranked mainly to help ensure more possibility of being make with similar skilled players.
I would assume the game spends less time matching people based on perceived skill and just fills up lobbies with people who are available at the time in Social playlists.
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> I would assume the game spends less time matching people based on perceived skill and just fills up lobbies with people who are available at the time in Social playlists.
Yup that’s what happen my friend that’s why is social it’s about fun not about who’s the best
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> If you are talking about player level/rank, (1-152) that has no effect on matchmaking. It reflects your total time played but doesn’t show your true skill.
If it actually has no effect on matchmaking then that’s embarrassingly unfair for 343i to do.
I understand that you don’t have to be good to level up since it’s XP based, but it’s fairly obvious that in general people who have been playing longer are better at the game.
I don’t see why it’s difficult to run a calculation like +/-50% of your Spartan Rank to determine who is in the match with you. This is what I expect focused to do.
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> > If you are talking about player level/rank, (1-152) that has no effect on matchmaking. It reflects your total time played but doesn’t show your true skill.
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> If it actually has no effect on matchmaking then that’s embarrassingly unfair for 343i to do.
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> I understand that you don’t have to be good to level up since it’s XP based, but it’s fairly obvious that in general people who have been playing longer are better at the game.
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> I don’t see why it’s difficult to run a calculation like +/-50% of your Spartan Rank to determine who is in the match with you. This is what I expect focused to do.
Generally people with higher SR are a little better, but for example an SR 128 could have rarely played super fiesta and not be very good at it, so they might get matched against an SR 32.
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> > I don’t see why it’s difficult to run a calculation like +/-50% of your Spartan Rank to determine who is in the match with you. This is what I expect focused to do.
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> Generally people with higher SR are a little better, but for example an SR 128 could have rarely played super fiesta and not be very good at it, so they might get matched against an SR 32.
I don’t think the game type matters quite as much in social playlists because teamwork expectations are lower. I think what matters more is how well players know the maps, and how good they are at killing people.
I’d always expect a Rank 152 to beat a Rank 50 on any map, on any, game type 1v1. Unless the Rank 50 was a smurf account or something. Because of this, I’d never match them in the same game by default.
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> They should take a note out of Halo 3’s book. Halo 3 was the pinnacle of Halo and even though at times matchmaking did screw you over, I’ve never felt as screwed in a social playlist as I have playing Halo 5. I just want to play people that are my level – so 343i need to explain why that isn’t the case (because anyone with common sense would agree that it’s only fair to match you against people of similar skill.) =/
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> Halo 3 had social, competitive, and hardcore playlists. Obviously there were flaws, but it was much more robust than Halo 5.
If Halo 5 was just a competitive game we would have real competitive settings on at least ONE playlist. All playlists are design for casual gamers and noobs. Don’t blame the competitive scene because we’ve been asking for no automatics, no radar, no spartan charge, no splinter nades and pistols starts since the game launched and they haven’t delivered. They just tweak the settings to find the “middle ground” but in the the end the game becomes more generic every time.
The problem you have is with matching people of your own level, not how competitive the game is or isn’t. The matchmaking system is BROKEN. Probably because the population is too small to make use of all the features it has and on top of that 343 has been extremely slow to fix any problem on this game (MM only). But having like a million different armors and skins and warzone weapons/vehicles is more important (cus like I sad… casuals and noobs)
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> Don’t blame the competitive scene because we’ve been asking for no automatics, no radar, no spartan charge, no splinter nades and pistols starts since the game launched and they haven’t delivered. They just tweak the settings to find the “middle ground” but in the the end the game becomes more generic every time.
> The problem you have is with matching people of your own level, not how competitive the game is or isn’t. The matchmaking system is BROKEN. Probably because the population is too small to make use of all the features it has and on top of that 343 has been extremely slow to fix any problem on this game (MM only). But having like a million different armors and skins and warzone weapons/vehicles is more important (cus like I sad… casuals and noobs).
I’m not following, this isn’t relevant to the topic? I’m only discussing matchmaking conditions here. Though, it’s undeniable that 343i have listened to the competitive pros more than they should; alientating many of their veteran community.
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> If Halo 5 was just a competitive game we would have real competitive settings on at least ONE playlist. All playlists are design for casual gamers and noobs.
I don’t agree that all playlists are noob friendly - none of the social playlist are noob friendly if they’re allowing for SR130+ to be matched against <sr50.
I very much agree that there should be a Hardcore playlist - I hate that 343i are trying to find a middle ground; because they’re just annoying everyone that way. People prefer to have MLG, Ranked, and Social playlists (and they want to be fairly matched in all of them.)
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> I would assume the game spends less time matching people based on perceived skill and just fills up lobbies with people who are available at the time in Social playlists.
Biggest difference between Social and Ranked playlists right here. If the intent was to have matchmaking in Social playlists put a higher priority on matching based on skill, those playlists would be ranked instead. There may be some slight skill matching involved, but by in large, the system tosses whoever’s available into a lobby and starts the game.