Just out of curiosity, would you be in favor of IBMM game-wide, or making changes to either “nerf” controller or “buff” MNK?
You can’t nerf controller, so that’s not really a solution. And the only way to buff MnK would be to add aim assist, which i’m not really a proponent of either. So the only solution is IBMM, but then you divide the player base, which sucks too. Not to mention, HCS play will always be controller, so why grind MnK when you have no representation in pro play?
There really is no good solution.
That’s basically how I feel about it. Haven’t seen a happy middle ground.
nothing to do with inputs, soley to do with cheating.
lol, the mouse has bullet magnetism also. So people complaining are just really bad
this reads “i cant play very well, change the game to appease me”
There are two forms of aim assist. Bullet magnetism and player magnetism. Both M&K and controller get bullet magnetism but only controller gets player magnetism.
Typically when referring to aim assist in these threads we’re referring to player magnetism. Just a little fyi.
While there are a couple advantages of m/k over controller, I do think controllers have the advantage overall in a game like Halo with the AA so that’s not why I, as a console player, would like the option to turn off crossplay.
My only reason is your second point; cheaters. I get it, AA is strong. I personally wish they didn’t buff the AA for the beta. I really liked the amount we got in the flights. It was there (which is needed) but it wasn’t as strong as it is now. I’m not sure if you’re overexaggerating in an attempt to make a point or if you’re actually ignorant about how AA works, but I’m just letting you know that AA in any game is not the same as a literal aim bot cheat, they’re very different. But it’s not even just about aimbot, there’s other types of hacks that you for some reason chose to ignore.
I mean c’mon, I get that there’s m/k players who are frustrated about AA but your comparison is a little childish if you are in fact aware of the differences between controller AA and legit aim bot hacks, don’t you think? If you genuinely are ignorant to it though, then I apologize for calling you childish. I’d be happy to explain roughly how the two work if you’d like.
But yeah at the end of the day I can put up with the differences between the two platforms input methods and performance differences, it’s really just about hackers for me.
It’s more like, “I am UNABLE to play very well”, rather than CAN’T.
There used to be bullet magnetism in mouse settings. And it seems to be removed.
I am ignorant, please explain it to me. Because AIM-BOT comes from a MACHINE(bot) that locks your target (aim).
Ofc, it’s not as strong as those filthy cheaters. While aim assist doesn’t not 100% lock on your target, it does fall in the same category.
I am in favor of the aim assist to counter controller problems, but you can’t deny that your machine system is doing half the work to aim for you without your total intervention.
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Your rebuttal to xbox players not wanting to play against cheaters is ridiculous. Pretty much disregard anything else you said as coming from a salty af mkb player after reading that.
Yes, I want an option to disable crossplay. And yes, it’s because I don’t want to play against people who purposely manipulate the game (cheat) to gain an unfair advantage. You’re an idiot to compare that to aim assist on controller - I’ll say it again, ridiculous.
My original post came from a deep, dark place of distraught and unhappiness. A sudden realization that my preferred input was not competitive in a game like Halo influenced the original post. It was certainly overexaggerated and hyperbole.
And although AA and aimbot are not the same level of “assistance”, they are on the same spectrum. This is an exaggerated analogy but an analogy none the less:
M&K : controller aim assist : : controller aim assist : aimbot
AA helps with tracking. It basically has two functions when in range: first it helps keep your reticle on the target, it kinda feels like a magnet. If you stood still and didn’t touch your aiming stick and someone strafe in front of you, you would see the stick slowly move to a certain extent towards the enemy. Secondly it slows down your sens when your reticle is close enough to the target. It 100% helps you aim, but you still need to use your sticks to aim. It’s not as if you can just hold down your zoom button, pull the trigger and boom, you hit every single shot and got that BR perfect or headshot with a snipe every single time. It merely HELPS you aim. An aim bot cheat on the other hand goes a step further and 100% locks on to your target and makes it impossible to miss, no aiming required whatsoever depending on whatever cheat you’re using. You’re gonna be hitting heads 100% of the time no matter what.
I’m currently diamond 1 in open. My accuracy usually sits between 50-65%. If I went up against Snipedown (a pro player) for example, he’s most likely gonna 4 shot me 10/10 times before I could kill him even though we’re both using controllers. How well I aim still depends on me even if AA is making it easier for me compared to if I had no AA. Aimbot on the other hand doesn’t work like that. You install it and you simply win your battles regardless of who you’re facing, controller or k/m. If I have 50% accuracy with a controller, I’d have 100% accuracy with an aimbot. That’s what it’s for. Before Infinite, I played a ton of Apex which has even more AA than Infinite does and it was the same situation. The AA would help you track, but an aimbot will just give you headshots every bullet without your control. Aimbot is essentially just x10 AA on roids.
So I get your comparison, but you have to understand they are drastically different. If you simply don’t believe me, feel welcome to look up some aimbot gameplay and then pick up a controller and try to replicate it. That will show you the difference for yourself.
EDIT: my bad I thought you were OP, sorry if you’re confused when I’m referencing you lol My points still stand though.
There are only two differences between controller aim assist and aimbot. These differences are:
- How much aim assistance is given from 343 (this can vary wildly between what you have now and essentially aimbot)
- One is allowed by 343, while the other isn’t
They’re both machine assisted aim. Controller players don’t want to play against people with unfair advantages (hackers). That’s exactly what M&K players want when talking about controller players. M&K players don’t want to play against controller players with their unfair advantage. This was the analogy I was ultimately trying to make.
No worries man I get it. It sucks that we can’t have complete balance between the two inputs but I really think in terms of raw aiming, just gunning someone down, some games are just better with controller and vice versa. Halo is one game that is just built for controller and I feel for the people who exclusively play m/k and don’t want to use controller but still want to play Halo. I hope you can still enjoy the game even though it must be frustrating at times. At the very least they have solo/duo ranked where there’s full m/k lobbies. Really wish they would do that for 4s as well.
At a fundamental level aim assist and aimbot do the same thing. They create reticle stickiness. How much of this stickiness is what is different and is why I refer to it as a spectrum, rather than saying they are two completely different things.
You even said it yourself with this quote:
If they turned aim assist up, your accuracy would go up. If they turn it down, your accuracy goes down. If they turned it up all the way, would this mimic aimbot?
At what point does the line blur between aim assist and aim bot?
You get my comparison, that’s enough for me. But you have to understand that we MnK players refer to any kind of aiming assistance without human intervention as aimbot. If we are talking about external software that is intrusive and not permitted to modify files, we should call them cheaters or hackers.
Frankly you just sound a little petty; there’s obviously advantage to both and different people have different opinions on what’s better, but saying crossplay restriction should only work one way is just kinda silly. What would be the point of that? I don’t think the restrictions are that important, but they might as well add them, and if they’re gonna add them, they need to make it work both ways.
Aimbot isn’t the only cheat available though…
That’s true. There’s invincibility, wall hacks, instant kills, super flying. Any unfair advantage makes the game unfun.