Why DMR will be the New BR

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I feel that in Halo 4, through speculation, that the DMR will be more effective in general use than the DMR. I say this because:
1.) DMR is a mid-long range gun that ALSO works great in short range
2.) The BR is mostly a short-mid range gun that is limited to long range combat
3.) The BR, from what I hear, has been tweaked down to a 5 shot kill, which is the same rate as the DMR.
4.) If this is mostly true, then a team of 4 with DMRs can easily out-kill a team of 4 with BRs at medium range combat
5.) This makes the DMR more versatile to use for medium, long, and perhaps short range compared to the BR’s short and medium specialty.

From what we’ve seen so far, what are your thoughts?

Edit: I still think BR will be slightly better for short range, of course. However, I feel that the DMR will be more practical to use in any other situation, that’s my opinion of course.

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Haha no.

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They’ve obviously changed the guns to fit the different roles they have already mentioned.This thread is pretty useless.

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> I feel that in Halo 4, through speculation, that the DMR will be more effective in general use than the DMR. I say this because:
> 1.) DMR is a mid-long range gun that ALSO works great in short range
> 2.) The BR is mostly a short-mid range gun that is limited to long range combat
> 3.) The BR, from what I hear, has been tweaked down to a 5 shot kill, which is the same rate as the DMR.
> 4.) If this is mostly true, then a team of 4 with DMRs can easily out-kill a team of 4 with BRs at medium range combat (and perhaps an equal battle at short since the dps is close to the same, however it might go to BR…barely)
> 5.) This makes the DMR more versatile to use for medium, long, and perhaps short range compared to the BR’s short and medium specialty.
>
> From what we’ve seen so far, what are your thoughts?

  1. The DMR has been said that it will have a slower rate of fire than the Battle Rifle. Unless the BR guy can’t hit the broad side of the barn, or is too far away, the DMR will actually do less damage.

  2. The Recoil prevents the gun from being absolutely dominate in all ranges. From previous info, which is still being tweaked at this time until otherwise, missing 1 bullet per burst turns the battle rifle from a 5SK weapon to a 7SK weapon. Miss 2 per burst and you got yourself a 13SK weapon.

  3. Again, the difference between the 2 is that the DMR shoots slower, while using 1 bullet per trigger. The BR shoots faster, but the recoil prevents it from being effective at longer ranges, allowing the DMR to take over. If 343 balances this correctly, the weapons can Co-exist.

  4. That depends on the Range. If the BRs are real close, the DMRs are going to get trashed. If the DMRs are far away, the BRs are going to get trashed.

  5. The DMR would be more versatile if the rest of the players in the match can’t shoot with the BR.

In short, the BR and DMRs have been changed to allow them to co-exist, without fulfilling the same role. Both guns needs to be dead-on to make 5SKs. However, if the BR can get close to the DMR to make all 3 bullets connect, the DMR is in trouble. Otherwise, the DMR will win.

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i heard something about the DMR still having slight bloom, which means it will be better for long range, but up close the BR will def be better.

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Br is most likely faster and more agile and will hence dominate at mid range, the AR is fast and deadly but inaccurate, a close range weapon, the DMR got accuracy al-right but is still somewhat slow and hence will have problems at mid range and be dominated at close.

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Actually I felt that the DMR wasn’t all that great close range. I said this in a few posts, but why did people hate bloom so much? Because of the luck. And when you were long range, there was such little chance for luck. Close range is when people got lucky while spamming and made others get pissed. I think Bungie intended the needle rifle to replace the BR in its range, while the DMR would be for long range.

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Have you used the new DMR and BR? Do you know something we don’t? Both guns have clearly been altered from their previous iterations in H3 and Reach so we have no idea which one will ultimately be favored. Hopefully they are sufficiently different that choosing between them becomes a matter of personal play style and considerations of map size (as opposed to one just being overall superior to the other).

Or maybe some will carry both (if that is a load out option that is).

Edit: I think the pistol can actually be superior to the DMR in closer ranges in Reach, it’s just that the clip size is so small that it is easy to get trigger happy and get screwed. Hopefully the pistol is still useful in H4. I don’t like these murmurs of 6sk that I’ve heard but if it has a high rate of fire, minimal to no bloom, and a decent clip it could be useable.

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Both rifles have their own roles. We’ll see an even split between both players.

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BR and DMR are 2 different things

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we have no idea if the br will be a 5sk all weapons are likely to change.

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> I feel that in Halo 4, through speculation, that the DMR will be more effective in general use than the DMR.

May want to fix that. I don’t think it’s possible that a weapon can be more effective than the same weapon.

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> I feel that in Halo 4, through speculation, that the DMR will be more effective in general use than the DMR. I say this because:
> 1.) DMR is a mid-long range gun that ALSO works great in short range
> 2.) The BR is mostly a short-mid range gun that is limited to long range combat
> 3.) The BR, from what I hear, has been tweaked down to a 5 shot kill, which is the same rate as the DMR.
> 4.) If this is mostly true, then a team of 4 with DMRs can easily out-kill a team of 4 with BRs at medium range combat
> 5.) This makes the DMR more versatile to use for medium, long, and perhaps short range compared to the BR’s short and medium specialty.
>
> From what we’ve seen so far, what are your thoughts?
>
> Edit: I still think BR will be slightly better for short range, of course. However, I feel that the DMR will be more practical to use in any other situation, that’s my opinion of course.

100% agree and I think the people who believe otherwise are in for a rude awakening. Burst fire weapons will always be outclassed by single shot precision weapons when the kill times aren’t DRASTICALLY different.

<mark>Mark my words.</mark>

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I hope not …

BR looks great can’t wait to use it .

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We will have to wait and see which gun is better or if they are both good in their own respect. regardless, I will always have a BR in hand and DMR on my back. Dangerous :slight_smile:

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Please remember 343i said that the DMR will have a slightly longer rof (rate of fire) than it did in reach.

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> > I feel that in Halo 4, through speculation, that the DMR will be more effective in general use than the DMR. I say this because:
> > 1.) DMR is a mid-long range gun that ALSO works great in short range
> > 2.) The BR is mostly a short-mid range gun that is limited to long range combat
> > 3.) The BR, from what I hear, has been tweaked down to a 5 shot kill, which is the same rate as the DMR.
> > 4.) If this is mostly true, then a team of 4 with DMRs can easily out-kill a team of 4 with BRs at medium range combat (and perhaps an equal battle at short since the dps is close to the same, however it might go to BR…barely)
> > 5.) This makes the DMR more versatile to use for medium, long, and perhaps short range compared to the BR’s short and medium specialty.
> >
> > From what we’ve seen so far, what are your thoughts?
>
> 1) The DMR has been said that it will have a slower rate of fire than the Battle Rifle. Unless the BR guy can’t hit the broad side of the barn, or is too far away, the DMR will actually do less damage.
>
> 2) The Recoil prevents the gun from being absolutely dominate in all ranges. From previous info, which is still being tweaked at this time until otherwise, missing 1 bullet per burst turns the battle rifle from a 5SK weapon to a 7SK weapon. Miss 2 per burst and you got yourself a 13SK weapon.
>
> 3) Again, the difference between the 2 is that the DMR shoots slower, while using 1 bullet per trigger. The BR shoots faster, but the recoil prevents it from being effective at longer ranges, allowing the DMR to take over. If 343 balances this correctly, the weapons can Co-exist.
>
> 4) That depends on the Range. If the BRs are real close, the DMRs are going to get trashed. If the DMRs are far away, the BRs are going to get trashed.
>
> 5) The DMR would be more versatile if the rest of the players in the match can’t shoot with the BR.
>
>
> In short, the BR and DMRs have been changed to allow them to co-exist, without fulfilling the same role. Both guns needs to be dead-on to make 5SKs. However, if the BR can get close to the DMR to make all 3 bullets connect, the DMR is in trouble. Otherwise, the DMR will win.

I agree with this sentiment, however…stating that missing 2 bullets per burst is somewhat a statement to exaggerate the point. I mean, who the hell misses 2/3’s of a burst all the time? It would be way easier to miss entirely, or hit 2/3’s of a burst and miss a little. It’s probably more difficult to intentionally miss 2/3’s of a burst than it is to 5 shot someone outright.

None the less, off launch there are going to be experienced players using the DMR to thrash people at range, then using grenades well enough or just completely out strafing people to make it seem like the BR isn’t worth it’s salt, or dumb kids who try to go toe to toe with a BR user or AR and lose out because they didn’t think things through so…

INB4 every gun is OP/underpowered.

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> > I feel that in Halo 4, through speculation, that the DMR will be more effective in general use than the DMR. I say this because:
> > 1.) DMR is a mid-long range gun that ALSO works great in short range
> > 2.) The BR is mostly a short-mid range gun that is limited to long range combat
> > 3.) The BR, from what I hear, has been tweaked down to a 5 shot kill, which is the same rate as the DMR.
> > 4.) If this is mostly true, then a team of 4 with DMRs can easily out-kill a team of 4 with BRs at medium range combat
> > 5.) This makes the DMR more versatile to use for medium, long, and perhaps short range compared to the BR’s short and medium specialty.
> >
> > From what we’ve seen so far, what are your thoughts?
> >
> > Edit: I still think BR will be slightly better for short range, of course. However, I feel that the DMR will be more practical to use in any other situation, that’s my opinion of course.
>
> 100% agree and I think the people who believe otherwise are in for a rude awakening. Burst fire weapons will always be outclassed by single shot precision weapons when the kill times aren’t DRASTICALLY different.
>
> <mark>Mark my words.</mark>

there is one point missing here. on both unshielded player, who do you think will likely get a headshot first? a 3 shot burst with little spread o a single shot and slow fire rate weapon?

the only thing that nerfs this BR is the fact that you need to connect the whole burst to count as a shot (on shielded foes). if you only have to land 2 shots of the burst it will be the ultimate weapon, 5sk at medium and 4sk at short.

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I prefer the DMR to the BR. But I’m pretty sure they said somewhere that the BR will be a short to mid range weapon while the DMR will excel at mid to long range. Honestly though if the two guns are in a firefight with one another I hope it comes down more to player skill than the gun itself. I really don’t want to give up using the DMR at any range. Or I’m thinking that my secondary weapon, which could be the Magnum, could cover for the DMR’s weakness at short range. We’ll just have to wait and see I guess.

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Man its never about what you have on paper I can beat those odds using any weapon , see that’s the beauty of Halo doesn’t matter what weapon you use its just how you use it