Why didn't they just release Halo 5 in full on the PC and expand from there?

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I did explain this. At this point I have to believe that you simply don’t want to understand an opposing viewpoint. I shall still endeavor to provide more than enough of an explanation and additional reasons for my conclusion for why I like having a new halo game.

Art style matters to me. I did not like the art style of Halo 5. It does not please my eyes and that issue is further exacerbated because of the stark contrast to the art style of the OG Halo games which I preferred much more and actually enjoy looking at. So yes, I like this return to form and while I know you simply write that off like you don’t care, I do care, and this is a contributing factor to why I wanted Halo Infinite.

I did not find these abilities fun and while you say that you can turn them off that’s putting the gameplay of having no abilities in the same camp that booting up a custom game with speed modifiers, spawning with invisibility giving one team rocket launchers and one team energy swords is. I appreciate that you can modify these things but that’s not the core experience and I am referring to the core experience everyone gets.
Even if they were to throw us a bone and provide a playlist for disabling abilities, I will not be satisfied by only having a single playlist in the entire game that I find enjoyable. I like having a variety of gamemodes that I can filter out and target to play as I please. Having 1 or 2 playlists that can provide the only fun I will have in the game will not retain me as a player. I want to enjoy the core experience that I will get in the campaign, BTB, ranked, and socials.

The entire design of a game is to fit around its core gameplay loop and Halo 5’s core gameplay loop was not for me nor was it reminiscent of Halo. Removing abilities will simply break the game if not handled properly. If a game requires you to sprint in a section of it to escape impending danger but sprinting is removed, then you can’t complete the section. This can apply to multiplayer as well where cover may be out of reach too often because the game expects you to use the ability to get to cover. You cannot replicate the classic halo experience by simply turning these abilities off.

There is new hardware available today and it’s nice to be able to take advantage of the new technology in a game designed for it. Halo 5 was over half a decade ago. I want to see what games will look like on my new PC. I like the wow factor that graphics can bring. Stepping out onto Outpost Tremonious for the first time and seeing the world look as good as it did was breathtaking. That wouldn’t have happened in Halo 5’s engine, I’m used to game looking even better than halo 5 did, purely from a graphical fidelity standpoint alone.

I want new games in general. I do not like how games are becoming live services. I think that these past 6 years have really put a damper on shooters for me because the life of a game is being artificially extended and new games aren’t needed as often. Available shooters to play that fit my tastes are limited especially when a game is experiencing a rough patch with cheaters or server issues and, I don’t have as many options to fall back on while they fix it. Elements of live service monetization makes games worse for me, I don’t like thinking about money while I’m playing, I do not like seeing a store in the main menu, and I don’t like having elements of the actual game molded to fit the need to sell digital items to the player. Yes, these are knocks against Infinite as well but at least Infinite is new so it has a leg up over 5 in this regard

My last point is that I did not enjoy Halo 5. I played Halo 5 around the time when it released and never touched it again. Halo 5 got plenty of updates that I did not bother with. I would not bother with an update for Halo 5 today even if they were to add another campaign and another 24 maps with 6 new weapons…etc because I did not like Halo 5. Why would I go back to a game that I did not enjoy?

Halo 5 is still around. You can still play it. Halo 5 will only stop being playable if 343 shutters the servers or the people stop playing it. It’s not going anywhere. Infinite is not a threat to its existence. You still have the ability to enjoy Halo 5. If 343 had done what you are proposing, I would not have a new game to enjoy.

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Seriously how is this a lie.

You can turn off thruster,spartan charge, stabilize, ground pound AND Sprint.

So what do you mean lie? Did you play halo 5? Do you not know that you can do this?

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I have already replied to you in another thread and proved that you cannot turn off ADS.
And even if you could, that would still not make H5G a classic Halo game, because there are plenty more differences under the hood than abilities, like weapon balancing, vehicle handling and health, etc.
As for you constantly asking me about whether or not I played H5G, feel free to look up my gamertag on Xbox and see my 100% achievement completion…

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The way it looks is a non issue to me. It can look like PS2 and play like heaven and I’d be happy with it. With that said if I were sitting in n a room with side by side comparisons I can garentee you I can point out details that are simply missing in halo infinite. I compare them everyday and Halo infinite looks worse the more I look at it. But you know. To each his own.

They could’ve made a core experience. It doesn’t have to be one playlist. They can make the game mode. Give it as many playlists as it needs. Your saying you want the whole Halo ecosystem playing the game you want. Which is fine. I say every Halo player deserves their experience. I didn’t like how classic playlists were rare. I actually wish classic had a half presence in halo 5 and coexssited with Halo 5. I don’t see why that couldn’t be done. You could’ve had a whole section for classic and another for Halo 5.

Your still not making the argument as to how it “wouldn’t be the same”. I already said if they went my route they would have to create maps for it. So you pointing how how an ability won’t work here or there doesn’t make sense. You turn off Sprint. You don’t Sprint. Like what’s the difference here? It was designed so that you COULD remove it. Not the other way around where Halo 5 was designed and then you can remove the abilites.

You say new tech but where is it? Why does the game look washed out and horrible. Why is there no new experience. So much tech but so little features and looks

Playing Halo 5 doesn’t work. The majority is on the new Halo like it is every new Halo so obviously the experience won’t be the same.

I rather play an old game that’s feature rich than play a new game that has nothing new about It. The campaign isn’t enough

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BRO. You don’t need to turn off ads. You can just add a weapon that doesn’t have it. LIKE THE HALO 2 BR that’s already in halo 5. OR the tac mag. So what are you talking about?

Ok what about weapon balancing?

What about vehicle handling.?

What about health?

All of these things no one has said specifics on and on top of that even if these things needed to be changed it’s not impossie. They made weapon updates before. They could’ve done it again. So again I don’t see your point

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All of these weapons were only added as DLC after the fact, they still have the ADS spread buffs even without the animation and you cannot make a full sandbox out of them.
How about we add one weapon with ADS into Infinite, that way we could make H5G in Forge, right?

The weapons, vehicles and every other aspect of H5G are all individually “balanced” (and I’m using that word in the loosest sense possible, because H5G is anything but balanced) around players zooming across the maps like they are the degenerate children of Son Goku and Super Sonic.
They do not work with classic Halo, and the couple of “classic” (once again, loosest sense possible) playlists that H5G had over the course of its lifetime prove that, because they all played like donkey.

No, you obviously don’t.
A couple of weapon updates don’t work for a full game. The amount of balancing necessary for the game to feel like a completely different sandbox is so extensive, it would actually be less work to make a new one from scratch. Which they did.
And while doing so, they can simultanoeously get rid of all of the old ballast the previous game has, like outdated netcode, configuration options, etc.
There’s a lot more to a game than just “new guns, maps and abilities”, which you obviously fail to comprehend.

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Subjective and wrong.

No they can’t. That’s literally the framework of the game. You might as well make a new game if you craft a core experience

I didn’t even know they had any. If only there was a way to select the experience that you want. Maybe by booting up the game that you want to play?

You are simply choosing not to see it because you want to look at this issue in a simple way and ignore the are many variables at play here.
How about this, you explain to me how it’s the same. Simply saying "but you can just turn off the abilities is not convincing me here and I won’t accept that argument unless you can show data as to why it is the same.

Sprint speed. You were much faster sprinting in Halo 5 than sprinting in Infinite. It’s more balanced in infinite

subjective and wrong

You don’t need to be a part of the majority. I played games like Squad that could barely crack 5k concurrent players at any given time. I had 0 issues finding matches to play in. No one is forcing you to be a part of the most popular thing. Go play what you enjoy

Then go play it. I hope you have fun playing it, I really do. Enjoy Halo 5 to your hearts content. You deserve to enjoy it

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So your saying that the ads spread buffs couldn’t be updated? I mean. The Halo infinite BR is already super long range and the aim assist is really strong esspically on PC so I don’t get how that ads spread buff would be an issue. The BR is a beam in both games and they are both easy to use

Actually that’s exactly what I want. If they bought back the Halo 5 Magnum and that was the only add weapon I would be 100% fine with that. I want all the weapons but if they can bring ads back for at least the Halo 5 Magnum I would be happy

Ohhhh so your bringing up that unproven argument that the vehicles were somehow tuned to prove thrust sliding around. They were not. Go back and play both games. You’d be hard pressed to find a difference if anything people complained about how they are in ifinite so unless you can give me some specifics then your being general and this argument can’t be taken seriously.

You say less work but now they got years of catching up to do to get to where we are with Halo 5 content wise. We’re so behind we don’t even have co op. I really don’t see what you see

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Lol. You can literally change how fast the Sprint is. So you could’ve made a slower Sprint. That’s what I mean. We have options in halo 5 and your strongest argument is.

“It just has to be new”.

I don’t get it.

No content. Not even co op

But your happy with that.

I’ll never understand.

Yes there is variables . How do you think updates got done on it in the first place?

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I do not believe that you are arguing in good faith as you are choosing to simplify my arguments to misrepresent my opinion and ignore key points.

Your strongest argument is
“It just has to be Halo 5”

I don’t get it

Terrible content. Not even Invasion

But your happy with that

I’ll never understand

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At the end of the day. There is nothing to play on Halo infnite. I thought if they were going to release a game it would already have everything Halo 5 had and more. But it doesn’t. It’s bare. Even more bare than Halo 5s launch. So sad reality is we are ganna be waiting for years for a comeplete game.

Reguadless of what my ideas are. It could’ve been done better.

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No, I’m pointing out that it never was and never will be able to recreate classic Halo in H5G, even if this was the only difference between those games (which it isn’t).
But since hypothetical updates are suddenly fair game with you, I guess that means that you have no reason to complain any more, because in the future we might get some updates that will let you recreate H5G in custom games.
Seems legit.

Well, good for you that one weapon is enough to satisfy all your complaints.
I, for one, am looking for an entire game that doesn’t play like garbage, not just one small nugget of food that isn’t rotten yet in an entire dumpster full of mold.
That’s why I wanted any and all future Halo games as far away from that travesty that was H5G as possible, including being released as DLC for it.

All of a game’s assets, including weapons, vehicles, enemies and any and all other objects, are being balanced according to the fundamental player mechanics. That is basic game design. If you are unable or unwilling to comprehend this simple fact, there is nothing I or anybody else could say to make you understand.

So pretty much exactly how H5G released compared to the previous games.

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Yup exactly how Halo 5 released BUT worse and your here defending it. You don’t even have anything to defend. What. A new artstyle? A few weapons and a hand full of maps? That’s it. 6years? And this is what we get? Comon now.

Yeah. A Halo 5 update would be great to Halo infinite. If anything that’s also what I would suggest. I don’t see how MORE options is a problem to you

Your making the claim but not telling me the how. You can swear up and down all day and night that the warthog is some how tuned to the spartan abilites but if you can’t tell me how then you don’t have an argument. Use specifics if you know about game development so much

No. I don’t expect them.to bring back any form of ads. So if they do with the Halo 5 Magnum I would be happy. That’s what I ment

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I’m not defending it. I never was.
Please quote me where I ever defended Infinite’s botched “release”. (In fact, I don’t even consider that game to be actually “released” yet until Coop and Forge are out, more like an “early access”.)

You cannot build a house on a rotten fundament.
The fact that Infinite turned out to be an incomple hovel does not change that.
At least it had the chance to turn out decent, which it wouldn’t have had in the first place if it had been an extension of H5G.

Well, just like you can’t tell me how H5G without abilities allegedly plays like classic Halo, despite weapons being completely different, spread being completely different, aim assist and bullet magnetism being completely different, etc, etc.
Seems only fair I reply in kind.

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So it circles back to the same argument.

" It just needed a different name " to “drum up new hype”

Really sounds like you are defending it if your not then I assume you wouldve been ok to wait another year till it’s release? Because I would. I would rather take a game 10 years late and it releases with everything it needs than it releaseing how it did now.

I already gave you an answer for that. Updates. They changed how the dmr worked. How the promethean nades worked. They definitely could have changed how those little things you mentioned work.

But again. It all comes down to

“It just needed to be a different game”

I’m fine with it being a different game but not at the cost of a good launch

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No, the name is completely irrelevant. It’s just the strawman you choose to make up because you have no actual arguments.
What is actually relevant is having decent coding, structure, etc. If Infinite had been DLC for H5G - even if it had its own campaign, weapons, vehicles, enemies, etc. (which it wouldn’t have) - it would have still been stuck with all of H5G’s ballast, like the horrible aiming, the lack of compression on the Xbox hard drive, the garbage engine which isn’t even capable of processing splitscreen, etc.

Yes. I would have. In fact, I was one of the people who wanted the campaign to be delayed when they announced that I doesn’t “launch” with Coop. But apparently everybody else wants to get an incomplete game because they have “blue balls”.

And I already told you that you cannot create a completely new sandbox with nothing but updates.
ODST was supposed to be DLC to Halo 3 but once that game got too big, it had to be released on its own, and it still doesn’t feel that different from the base game.

None of the things I mentioned are “little things”.
Properly polishing and balancing a game to perfection takes years and if the basis you’re building upon is already botched - as it was with H5G - it’s impossible and you have to start from scratch.
Which they did.

The fact that they screwed up doesn’t change that they wouldn’t even had the chance to make a decent game had they based it on H5G.

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It’s not a straw man what I ment by new name was everything that comes along with the new name like marketing.

But that doesn’t matter because it seems like we are actually on the same page. Had Halo infinite released comeplete I wouldn’t be upset as I am now. I’d probably be fine with the gameplay a lot more had they did ish right. No collision. No toggle for the outlines. There’s just TOO MUCH for me to see this game in a good lens.

Launches are everything. I’m burned after this. I can’t trust 343 like I trusted them with Halo 5. I used to be the guy that said " it’s ok forge is delayed because I get to play multiplayer now" I was a fool to support that philosophy and I won’t support it again here with this launch

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And you were already told that neither the name nor the marketing have anything to do with that.
The issues are on a software level, not because of publicity.
You can only update a code so far until it gets held back by its oldest parts. I know, I’m a software developer.

Sorry to say, but if you ever blindly trust a company - especially one that has lied so often as 343 has - that’s your own fault.
They had already started lying when they made Halo 4 and they never stopped. I have absolutely no pity with people who got burnt when the signs were blatantly obvious since well over a decade. Not just you, but in general.

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Just go play Halo 5.

I like Infinite, I can respect that you don’t.

I’m not interested in convincing you to enjoy Infinite. If ya don’t like it, go play something else. That’s what I did when Halo 5 rolled around.

Infinite is here. It is a new game, and I am happy for the most part. Making it was the correct decision on 343’s part. You’ll just have get over that fact.

Nobody took Halo 5 away from you. All of Halo 5’s content is still there, and you have the ability to play it. Just go play it

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I think Halo 5 runs good for it being a 6 year old game.

Ur saying adding on to it wouldn’t make sense because it would be held back.

Fine.

I say to that then make a comeplete game that at least as core Halo stuff FIRST . I would have rathered them start off with classic weapons then introduce new ones. At least Halo 5 kept a lot of what was core Halo weapons and added in top. Forge and co op was also fire to Halo because Halo reach launched like that.

It really all comes down to. If you wanted to win the hearts of ALL Halo fans then why wasn’t a complete game their upmost top priority?

I’m not saying you should have pity. I decided to trust their word that there would’ve been a would be Halo 6 and I found out the hard way the 343 will continue to lie .