Was playing co-op online firefight today with my son and after our game ended a message popped up saying you have been temporarily banned from earning credits (after years of on and off play with Halo reach, first time ever). Not just me, him as well. I never knew i could get banned for doing housework while going back and forth to a game. Not like i do it all the time. We all have our busy periods dont we? He was still playing, i was just on and off between little jobs. Its nice to be able to pick up or drop your pad when you feel you need to whether it be for a toilet break, a smoke, make a drink, cooking the tea, wash the dishes even. I mean if i could pause the game that would be good but you cant during online play. I could quit but that would mean my son quit too so that would be unfair. I could let him play by himself and others online but he likes me playing the game with him too. He likes the fact he can shout me in for backup if need be and i like the fact that i dont have to wait for a game to end before i can pick up my control pad and have a quick blast between chours. I mean its only firefight. Its not like im making the game easier for anyone by letting them kill me coz they cant. I can see where it might look like im just sitting there to earn credits but i dont really care about the credits. My son does. Its the only reason i bought him xboxlive for the first time for his birthday 5 days ago. All he cares about is earning CR and buying the armour. Up until his birthday he had been playing reach for months offline. Dreadful earning credits offline. Online he earns bag loads. He loves it. And now we are banned from earning.
The only reason i understand the rule now is because i have been banned and i googled the hell out of it. Been trying to get on this site all day but its only just loaded. No idea why.
You know on the game where it says something like quit too many times and you will have to wait. Well, why not input all the other rules too. Display it somewhere. If i would of known about this rule then i never would of broke it. Now i feel bad for my son as its my fault he got CR banned because i broke a rule i did not no existed.
I would like to ask if my sons ban could be lifted as it wasn’t his fault but i know thats not going to happen. How long will this ban last so i may give the poor kid a bit of an uplift. He loves this game. When i say loves i mean hes got all the mcfarlane figurines… well most…warthog is amazing… Anyway yeah the ban, how long is he looking at?
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> Was playing co-op online firefight today with my son and after our game ended a message popped up saying you have been temporarily banned from earning credits (after years of on and off play with Halo reach, first time ever). Not just me, him as well. I never knew i could get banned for doing housework while going back and forth to a game. Not like i do it all the time. We all have our busy periods dont we? He was still playing, i was just on and off between little jobs. Its nice to be able to pick up or drop your pad when you feel you need to whether it be for a toilet break, a smoke, make a drink, cooking the tea, wash the dishes even. I mean if i could pause the game that would be good but you cant during online play. I could quit but that would mean my son quit too so that would be unfair. I could let him play by himself and others online but he likes me playing the game with him too. He likes the fact he can shout me in for backup if need be and i like the fact that i dont have to wait for a game to end before i can pick up my control pad and have a quick blast between chours. I mean its only firefight. Its not like im making the game easier for anyone by letting them kill me coz they cant. I can see where it might look like im just sitting there to earn credits but i dont really care about the credits. My son does. Its the only reason i bought him xboxlive for the first time for his birthday 5 days ago. All he cares about is earning CR and buying the armour. Up until his birthday he had been playing reach for months offline. Dreadful earning credits offline. Online he earns bag loads. He loves it. And now we are banned from earning.
> The only reason i understand the rule now is because i have been banned and i googled the hell out of it. Been trying to get on this site all day but its only just loaded. No idea why.
> You know on the game where it says something like quit too many times and you will have to wait. Well, why not input all the other rules too. Display it somewhere. If i would of known about this rule then i never would of broke it. Now i feel bad for my son as its my fault he got CR banned because i broke a rule i did not no existed.
> I would like to ask if my sons ban could be lifted as it wasn’t his fault but i know thats not going to happen. How long will this ban last so i may give the poor kid a bit of an uplift. He loves this game. When i say loves i mean hes got all the mcfarlane figurines… well most…warthog is amazing… Anyway yeah the ban, how long is he looking at?
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First of all I will say I feel your pain. Its bloody Firefight in a 5 year old game. Why give credit bans for a few AFK games. Your son got a ban because you were signed into the same console and the ban actually is applied to any account on that console due to the fact that in the past players would get bans and simply log into a second account to keep playing.
The sad news is that no one from 343 gives a damn about this game anymore and bans will not be lifted.
The good news is that for a first offence you only get a 24-48 hours temp credit ban. If you have to walk away in the future just tell your son to pick up your controller and get one kill with your player. That way you will avoid detection by the banhammer and will not be issued with further bans by a completely automated banning system that actually does get it right about 95% of the time.
I will give you another tip about firefight and how to avoid quit probations and quit bans as well. A lot of players don’t know this but if the host of a firefight game quits the game or lags out of the game everyone in the game will be recorded as quitting. Yes that’s right even if you still complete the game and get awarded credits the banhammer still records it as a quit. So to prevent this I would suggest that when the both of you are searching select all 3 search filters and that will pretty much guarantee that only the both of you will be in that game so you wont have any host quitting problems. If your son wants to play solo tell him to stick with Score Attack.
Cheers and happy times with your boy. Being a 48 year old dad with a 14 year old son I get the joy of playing games with them. Mine even got me playing GTA V last week.
That is some very good advice which i will adhere to seriously. Thank you very much for your detailed response. Maybe you should be in charge of these bans. You seem like a really nice guy with a good level of understanding. 343 crown this man!!
One thing i will say about this is that this kind of ban is completely uncalled for. Being banned for not killing someone is beyond stupidity! If i choose not to kill someone that is my choice. If i choose to sit a game out that is also my choice whether it be on line or not. I payed for the bloody game before it was made available for free, the xboxlive and addons. How i choose to play something should not be dictated by a game developer provided i am not effecting anyone else which i was not. It doesn’t effect anyone else’s game-play in anyway what so ever nor does it cost anything for 343. If anything i give people more of a chance to earn more kills. In firefight you are competing for the kills. There is no harm done to anyone here. Banning someone from something should only be enforced under serious offenses like hacking. Just sounds like a big old power trip to me.
Imagine sitting there watching SKY movies, you go away for a bit, make your dinner, come back, the film has ended so you try to rewind the film but oh no wait… message from SKY on screen. "You have been temporarily banned from using sky movies due to not watching the film the whole way through. Same difference! Wouldn’t happen would it!! Never heard such poo in all my life…(excuse my little rant)
So what if i play a match making game against some seriously good players and i don’t end up getting a kill? Do i get banned there too?
And excuse me if i sound dumb but you said:
> So to prevent this I would suggest that when the both of you are searching select all 3 search filters and that will pretty much guarantee that only the both of you will be in that game so you wont have any host quitting problems.
What do you mean by select all 3 filters?
Also, last question i promise… Do you work for 343? You a Admin/Mod?
And again thank you kindly 
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> That is some very good advice which i will adhere to seriously. Thank you very much for your detailed response. Maybe you should be in charge of these bans. You seem like a really nice guy with a good level of understanding. 343 crown this man!!
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> One thing i will say about this is that this kind of ban is completely uncalled for. Being banned for not killing someone is beyond stupidity! If i choose not to kill someone that is my choice. If i choose to sit a game out that is also my choice whether it be on line or not. I payed for the bloody game before it was made available for free, the xboxlive and addons. How i choose to play something should not be dictated by a game developer provided i am not effecting anyone else which i was not. It doesn’t effect anyone else’s game-play in anyway what so ever nor does it cost anything for 343. If anything i give people more of a chance to earn more kills. In firefight you are competing for the kills. There is no harm done to anyone here. Banning someone from something should only be enforced under serious offenses like hacking. Just sounds like a big old power trip to me.
> Imagine sitting there watching SKY movies, you go away for a bit, make your dinner, come back, the film has ended so you try to rewind the film but oh no wait… message from SKY on screen. "You have been temporarily banned from using sky movies due to not watching the film the whole way through. Same difference! Wouldn’t happen would it!! Never heard such poo in all my life…(excuse my little rant)
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> So what if i play a match making game against some seriously good players and i don’t end up getting a kill? Do i get banned there too?
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> Also, last question i promise… Do you work for 343? You a Admin/Mod?
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> And again thank you kindly
No Buddy I am not an admin or mod and don’t work for 343 either. Just a dad like you who has played an lot of halo. Did work for Microsoft a few years back but not in the Home Entertainment division. That was during the time they released Halo 3 and I got to participate in the Alpha and Beta testing playing against other MS staff and Bungie employees. The public beta was actually our delta version. Copped heaps from my online buddies when they saw me online playing “Ship to Shores” when it got out in the public realm that that was the code name for the Halo 3 alpha build.
Back to Credit bans. The credit ban came about because in the early days players would just AFK in firefight and earn credit and rank up without actually doing anything. That did effect others in the game for various reason. One, it changes the behavior of the enemies in the game when a player is AFK and enemies would track straight to that player and to sometimes you needed their support to complete all 3 rounds and get to that bonus round. You also had noobs signing in guest accounts and going into games like grifball and Invasion with full lobbies and just spawn killing their other friends guest accounts for 15 minutes to boost massive KD spreads of +300 in a single game. They boosted commendations in the same process to so they were effectively cheating to rank up quickly. The stupid part about it is the smart ones knew that as long as each guest account got one kill they would avoid detection by the banhammer so would never get a credit ban.
I do agree partially with your comment about how stupid the ban is and I would say it is stupid in your case. When it is just 2 players playing Firefight on the same console AFKing only effects them so I agree bans are pointless. But let me say that when playing multiplayer AKFers can effect the enjoyment of other in the game and that is unfair to them and any temp bans on credits is actually bugger all punishment. They give away points by dying all the time, cause players to spawn I bad places over and over again, they are not contributing to the team effort etc etc. They are the ones I have an issue with. You don’t know how many times I have had to betray an AFK player on Spire due to constantly spawning next to them way down on the beach just because they are AFK so we can get a better spawn somewhere else on the map. So please if you do BTB or any team Matchmaking and need to do some things leave the game so you don’t cause issues. Trust me when I say this your son might even have to betray your AFK body.
Now regarding the filters part. When you are in the pre game lobby you can press X for search options. you have 3, Prefer good connection, Prefer my Skill and prefer my language. Just select all 3 and you will only have you 2 in the game after about 15 seconds of searching. If you do find a player quickly back out before the game is setup and search again.
Lastly one other thing. You and your son seem to smash through quite a few games of FF in one day. Did you know there is a 200k daily credit cap. If you do reach that in any given day you see a temporary credit ban pop up on the screen but that will reset at midnight each day. If that comes up it is also a reminder that it might be time to “take a break” anyway. You can still play you just don’t earn credits. That used be only 60K a day but they did increase it to 200k about 2 years after release. Once again this was done to stop the boosters I mentioned above from ranking up to quickly. From start to finish if you hit the credit cap everyday you could be an inheritor in 100days. Without the cap some guys would have got their in 2 weeks from boosting.
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> Everyone who gets banned deserves it
That is incorrect and a generalized assumption on your part. There are glitches within the game that cause bans to happen as a result. If the host of a firefight game quits every other player in the game gets recorded as a quit and too many can result in temporary quit bans. but the biggest fault of the banhammer so far has seen many good team doubles players receive long bans just because players quit games when playing against them. I have read that the banhammer looks for patterns in games results that it believes would not happen unless there was some type of manipulation going on. Things like games finishing early due to opposition quits and long massive win streaks. Those good doubles player who constantly had players quit were incorrectly banned because the banhammer wrongly made an assumption that due to the fact they had so many players quit against them and long win streaks they were in fact host booting those players and manipulating network conditions. Some of these guys were well know and well respected in the halo community.
Bungie used to say the banhammer gets it right about 99.99% of the time. I would say 95% would be closer. That fact that bans are irreversible says to me it should be 100% accurate all the time and it simply is not.
Just to point something out which you havnt added in the thread. What’s the duration of each ban mentioned ESPECIALLY the temporary credit ban.
I got a message telling me I can’t enter multiplayer for 15 minutes.Why did this happen?
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> I got a message telling me I can’t enter multiplayer for 15 minutes.Why did this happen?
Have you continued to habitually quit games since you last posted in this thread? If so, you’re probably on Probation now, and everytime you quit, the duration is going to be longer. If enough people avoid you for either ‘quitting early’ or ‘unsporting conduct’, Microsoft will start investigating and from what I understand from Community Engineer Cizlin, excessive quitting in this fashion can be a perma-bannable offense due to violating Section F of the Code of Conduct because by excessively quitting, you are degrading the gameplay experience of others.
From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”
I would strongly recommend you stop quitting games, so you can be taken off of probation in Halo: Reach and not risk a potential ban for violating Code of Conduct.
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> Just to point something out which you havnt added in the thread. What’s the duration of each ban mentioned ESPECIALLY the temporary credit ban.
I have mentioned it in many posts each time I offer advice. I have done this on most posts when I talk about any ban a person may have got. I have cut and pasted an example from 2 responses above
"The good news is that for a first offence you only get a 24-48 hours temp credit ban. "
And also when discussing the daily credit cap temp ban too.
“Did you know there is a 200k daily credit cap. If you do reach that in any given day you see a temporary credit ban pop up on the screen but that will reset at midnight each day.”
But the truth is no one knows the exact length of each ban. All we can offer is advice from what we have seen. the credit ban is usually 24 -48 hours for a first offence but I have seen some bad klids be dished up to 2 weeks for their first offence because they had boosted that many games before the banhammer detected them. For example say if it takes 3 AFK games in a row to earn a 24 Credit ban. It can take the servers a few hours to catch up with whats going on before it takes any action. so if they have boosted and gone AFK for say 12 games in a row before then the ban hammer gives a ban it may see it as multiple offences so it dished out a longer ban.
But from what I have seen most temp bans are a 24 hours, then 48 hours, then a week, then 2 weeks, then a month, the 2 months , then 6 months for subsequent offences of the same offence.
Quit bans are different. They are 10 mins long each time you quit but it is the length of probation that can vary. The rule is that the quit probation ends 48 hours after your last quit game. so if you have been a good boy and not quit a game in 48.5 hours and then quit one game you will get a 10 min ban but also your probation period will reset for another 48 hours. That’s is why some guys seem to be on perpetual quit probations because they just cant go for a 48 hour period without quitting or lagging out of a game.
Please remember we are only other gamers offering advice here. 343 and bungie left the building long ago.
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> > I got a message telling me I can’t enter multiplayer for 15 minutes.Why did this happen?
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> Have you continued to habitually quit games since you last posted in this thread? If so, you’re probably on Probation now, and everytime you quit, the duration is going to be longer. If enough people avoid you for either ‘quitting early’ or ‘unsporting conduct’, Microsoft will start investigating and from what I understand from Community Engineer Cizlin, excessive quitting in this fashion can be a perma-bannable offense due to violating Section F of the Code of Conduct because by excessively quitting, you are degrading the gameplay experience of others.
> From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”
> I would strongly recommend you stop quitting games, so you can be taken off of probation in Halo: Reach and not risk a potential ban for violating Code of Conduct.
Sorry buddy but you are way off quoting section F there. That is for players who try to bridge host and actually manipulate who gets host in a game or host boot other with DdoS attacks
Our friend here is just on a good old fashioned quit probation. Which only last 48 hours from your last quit game. Keep quitting though and it will seem like the quit ban will go on forever because every time you quit the probation resets for another 48 hours and you get another `10 min ban.
The bans are fair though because you are pretty much sitting out the duration of the game you just quit from anyway.
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> > From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”
> > I would strongly recommend you stop quitting games, so you can be taken off of probation in Halo: Reach and not risk a potential ban for violating Code of Conduct.
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> Sorry buddy but you are way off quoting section F there. That is for players who try to bridge host and actually manipulate who gets host in a game or host boot other with DdoS attacks
> Our friend here is just on a good old fashioned quit probation. Which only last 48 hours from your last quit game. Keep quitting though and it will seem like the quit ban will go on forever because every time you quit the probation resets for another 48 hours and you get another `10 min ban.
> The bans are fair though because you are pretty much sitting out the duration of the game you just quit from anyway.
Well, I was talking with Community Engineer Cizlin about it last night over a LIVE Party, and he said that if a player habitually quits to the point where they are constantly being avoided for ‘Quitting Early’ or ‘Unsporting Conduct’, that Microsoft will investigate it, and that if they feel it is reasonable enough to do so, they can ban him due to what I mentioned with section F of Code of Conduct, because habitually quitting games does degrade the service for other users, as it ruins the gameplay experience for the team that lost the given player. I know it’s worst case scenario, but I don’t want to see it hit that point.
That part from Section F sounds pretty clear: “Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”
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> > > From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”
> > > I would strongly recommend you stop quitting games, so you can be taken off of probation in Halo: Reach and not risk a potential ban for violating Code of Conduct.
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> > Sorry buddy but you are way off quoting section F there. That is for players who try to bridge host and actually manipulate who gets host in a game or host boot other with DdoS attacks
> > Our friend here is just on a good old fashioned quit probation. Which only last 48 hours from your last quit game. Keep quitting though and it will seem like the quit ban will go on forever because every time you quit the probation resets for another 48 hours and you get another `10 min ban.
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> Well, I was talking with Community Engineer Cizlin about it last night over a LIVE Party, and he said that if a player habitually quits to the point where they are constantly being avoided for ‘Quitting Early’ or ‘Unsporting Conduct’, that Microsoft will investigate it, and that if they feel it is reasonable enough to do so, they can ban him due to what I mentioned with section F of Code of Conduct, because habitually quitting games does degrade the service for other users, as it ruins the gameplay experience for the team that lost the given player. I know it’s worst case scenario, but I don’t want to see it hit that point.
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> That part from Section F sounds pretty clear: “Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”
What you are rightly referring to there is the mechanism to report players through the XBL feedback system. Yes you could be subject to a ban but that ban would cover all games if that were to happen and not just Reach. Going from a automatic quit ban by the banhammer to a code F violation is a long stretch IMO. He would have to have a lot of players report him for that to happen and I personally have never seen a habitual quitter banned by XBL under the terms of service.
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> I Got Credit Banned in mid game on Halo Reach Got me really mad because i just came out of a Credit Ban 343 needs to fix this and unban me because I didn’t do nothing i was in mid game and a Pop saying “You won’t be able to Join matchmaking Right away” and another Pop up “You’ve been Temporarily Suspended from Earning Credits” I did Nothing to deserve this Please Help!
Good morning.
From what would load from me in your game history, since you last posted in the other thread , you quit or AFC/AFKed through at least two Slayer matchmaking games. Your grifball games wouldn’t load up for me, but from the way it sounds, you’ve been put on probation in Halo: Reach for quitting too many games. It last’s 48 hours from the last game you quit, so I would recommend you stop quitting games if you want to play Reach and earn cR again.
I hope this helps and have a nice day now.
Si vous voulez fait une in your Profile option. If you not do this, you get banned for 1 week.
What is the credit limit, I believe it is 200,000 a day. I was so close to getting it once.
i was ban for the 2 time the 1 time i did nothing the 2 i did nothing why
I wish I could personally ban people, you have no idea what i’ve been through.
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> What is the credit limit, I believe it is 200,000 a day. I was so close to getting it once.
You are correct. If you hit the credit limit for the day you receive a temporary ban from earning credits that resets at midnight in your local time zone.
If you have a temporary credit ban that doesn’t reset at midnight then you received it for something else.
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> i was ban for the 2 time the 1 time i did nothing the 2 i did nothing why
IT IS HARD TO WORK OUT WHY BECAUSE I CANNOT SEE ALL YOUR GAME HISTORY BUT FROM WHAT I CAN SEE IT LOOKS LIKE XERO KILL GAMES AND THE SYSTEM THINKS YOU ARE AFK AND ISSUES A BAN. EITHER THAT OR YOU HAD OTHER ACCOUNT SIGNED INTO YOUR XBOX THAT GOT ZERO KILL IN A GAME. I WOULD GUESS YOU HAVE A CREDIT BAN. 2ND TIME MAY LAST UP TO A WEEK.
SORRY JUST NOTICED CAPS LOCK ON AND COULDNT BE BOTHER RETYPING.