Am I the only one who is outraged by the unexplained change in the Master Chief’s armor between Halo 3 and Halo 4? Maybe there is some well hidden lore behind it, but to me, it doesn’t make any sense. After narrowly escaping the explosion of the Ark by passing through the portal, the Chief goes into cryosleep for the next four years, and isn’t awakened until the beginning of Halo 4. This means that there is no possible way that he could have left his cryo chamber in order to acquire his new suit. Not that there would have been an extra set of never before seen Mjolnir armor lying around in the back half of the Dawn anyway. On top of that, 343 also implies that this new suit, which I don’t even know the name of, has been the one that John and all the Spartan II’s wore instead of their respective Mark IV through VI sets. I claim this is so due to the flashbacks in the cutscene where Halsey is interrogated at the beginning of Halo 4. I am a real nitpick when it comes to small details, or in this case, a big detail regarding the lore of Halo, and it really upsets me when there is no explanation for changes of this scale in such an intricate lore. If there is an explanation regarding this change in the Chief’s armor, I would certainly love to hear it. Since the change to his armor, I haven’t felt like I’m playing as the REAL Master Chief, and I can’t take the following campaigns seriously because of it. Does anyone else feel this way, or maybe have answers to this massive dilemma?
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> Am I the only one who is outraged by the unexplained change in the Master Chief’s armor between Halo 3 and Halo 4? Maybe there is some well hidden lore behind it, but to me, it doesn’t make any sense. After narrowly escaping the explosion of the Ark by passing through the portal, the Chief goes into cryosleep for the next four years, and isn’t awakened until the beginning of Halo 4. This means that there is no possible way that he could have left his cryo chamber in order to acquire his new suit. Not that there would have been an extra set of never before seen Mjolnir armor lying around in the back half of the Dawn anyway. On top of that, 343 also implies that this new suit, which I don’t even know the name of, has been the one that John and all the Spartan II’s wore instead of their respective Mark IV through VI sets. I claim this is so due to the flashbacks in the cutscene where Halsey is interrogated at the beginning of Halo 4. I am a real nitpick when it comes to small details, or in this case, a big detail regarding the lore of Halo, and it really upsets me when there is no explanation for changes of this scale in such an intricate lore. If there is an explanation regarding this change in the Chief’s armor, I would certainly love to hear it. Since the change to his armor, I haven’t felt like I’m playing as the REAL Master Chief, and I can’t take the following campaigns seriously because of it. Does anyone else feel this way, or maybe have answers to this massive dilemma?
the mk6 contains alot of nanomachines, during the time between 3-4 cortana used the nanomachines to repair and upgrade chiefs armour. and so the nanomachines took on a different shape. that also explains chiefs early actions during the first mission
looks at his own gauntlets " you’ve been busy".
hope this helps.
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> Am I the only one who is outraged by the unexplained change in the Master Chief’s armor between Halo 3 and Halo 4?
It has been explained. As hydranoid17 mentioned above, MJOLNIR Mark VI armor contains nanomachines which are designed to repair the armor while it is in cryp-sleep. Since Cortana was alone, drifting in space with absolutely nothing to do, she used them to redesign the Chief’s armor. There were several interviews a few years back before Halo 4 came out where they confirmed that Chief was wearing heavily modified Mark VI armor. The Halo 4: Essential Visual Guide also confirms this, stating that it was fully customized by Cortana to resemble an older variation of Mark IV.
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> On top of that, 343 also implies that this new suit, which I don’t even know the name of, has been the one that John and all the Spartan II’s wore instead of their respective Mark IV through VI sets.
That’s actually not true. I know we see this armor used in the beginning of Halo 4, but that was only done to save assets and doesn’t actually represent what the Mark IV armor would have looked like. Think of it like Halo 2 when Bungie used a Marathon Class for the Pillar of Autumn scene. They didn’t retcon the ship’s class, they just didn’t make a new model or use an old one for that split second scene. So they used the Marathon model which had readily available.
The real Mark IV design actually looks like this. You can see how the Chief’s helmet looks a lot like his Halo 4/5 helmet. It’s because this is the design Cortana took inspiration from when making her modifications.
Cortana supposedly used nanomachines to redesign the suit that he was wearing while in cryosleep, so it was still a GEN1 MJOLNIR armor. In Halo 5, it was refitted as a GEN2 set, and it would become known as Mark VI GEN2 MOD. You should also listen to Nihilus Shadow. He knows what he’s talking about.
it was modified by Cortana in the 4 and a half years they were adrift in the dawn. It was latter upgraded with gen 2 tech.
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> it was modified by Cortana in the 4 and a half years they were adrift in the dawn. It was latter upgraded with gen 2 tech.
Hence why Chief has thrusters now.
There’s only one true reason for the change and that it is the design change when 343 Industries got the licensing rights. The lore aspect of it is supposedly that the Mark VI that we knew from Halo 3 had a predecessor design which is what you see in the current Halo games, it was preferred by Cortana over the newer, sleeker look that it had in Halo 2/3, due to it looking a bit more like the Mark IV armor. So while John was in cryostasis aboard the Forward Unto Dawn, she updated the firmware of the suit, in doing so reverted it’s design back to an older build as well as changing the way the HUD worked, giving video feeds along with comms.
Post Halo 4, getting the GEN 2 Spartan Armor meant he was wearing the Mark VII variant of Mark VI, since a majority of MJOLNIR Gen 2 variants are Mark VII based, however, his armor variant is a special version of Mark VI just for him, as the Blue Team has their own versions of Mark VI. The lore confirms this. The Armor always had the thrusters as it was an EVA feature for the armors since Mark IV, except Mark V which had to have them added externally.
My only gripe with Halo armor for the Spartan II’s is the under suit, which makes them all look like Spartan IV regardless of height. If the Spartan II used the under suit designs that Fireteam Osiris had, which made them all look ripped as -yoink- I’d be more satisfied, because Spartan II’s are supposed to be taller and look much more muscular. I rather the design sake for Osiris be changed to what the standard Spartan IV under suits in Halo 5 matchmaking for the sake of better alienating the Spartan II and making them look more unique as a generation of super soldiers, just like their signature armors.
“Artistic Licence” seems to be the reason behind most of 343 artistic changes to the series.
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> My only gripe with Halo armor for the Spartan II’s is the under suit, which makes them all look like Spartan IV regardless of height. If the Spartan II used the under suit designs that Fireteam Osiris had, which made them all look ripped as -yoink- I’d be more satisfied, because Spartan II’s are supposed to be taller and look much more muscular. I rather the design sake for Osiris be changed to what the standard Spartan IV under suits in Halo 5 matchmaking for the sake of better alienating the Spartan II and making them look more unique as a generation of super soldiers, just like their signature armors.
You do realize that Chief is 7’2" and Fred is 7’4" while S-IV’s height ranges from 6’9"-7’4"? And is not Blue Team now a part of the Spartan Branch?
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Im aware of the height difference as I noted. What I’m stating is that the Spartan IIs of Blue Team look just like any other Spartan IV pretty much aside from height differences. There’s no sizeable difference in muscle mass or anything due to them now using the Spartan IV undersuit. The design of the undersuit or shape of it would make a difference in making them seem a bit more unique and stand out from the Spartan IV. It’s just the way the under suit looks through the creative aspect 343 uses. It looks fine for a Spartan IV since they’re supposed to be thinner and more defined in that manner. But Spartan II and Spartan III are supposed to have that more built, bulky shape which is nonexistent. That was a nice design element Spartans from Halo CE, Halo 2/3, Halo Wars and Halo: Reach had. They looked massive.
Why? Probably to 2-fold: to put their own stamp on MC, and to make him more unique and iconic compared to other Spartans, even those using Mark VI armor.
I’m not outraged. I don’t mind the new look. What I don’t like is 343i’s crappy explanation as to why the armor changed.
It had to be their own stamp or design license, after all, a classic Mark VI exists in Halo 5 since the Master Chief has his own variant of it different from the Matchmaking design. If they wanted to keep the design classic they would have given him the matchmaking Mark VI the Spartan IV use. They wanted a canon design of their own just as they pawned off the classic Mark V with their Alpha Mark V.
343 wouldn’t have gotten praise for armor designs if they kept using Bungies design so they made a new one with the “lore excuse” last minute that Cortana updated the design to resemble the previous Mark IV that John once wore.
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Ah, got ya. My bad, I missed understood what you were saying.
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Yeah, I just…I don’t know. They all look the same, where the Spartans should really stand out from Each other. If Fireteam Osiris, who is no different than any other Spartan IV can have a custom under suit of their own, why can’t Blue Team have one? There’s no excuse for it besides design laziness, lol. I mean, Blue Team and Osiris are on the Gen 2 Spartan platform, so they should have identical armors in theory in regards to the under suit and what not.
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> It had to be their own stamp or design license, after all, a classic Mark VI exists in Halo 5 since the Master Chief has his own variant of it different from the Matchmaking design. If they wanted to keep the design classic they would have given him the matchmaking Mark VI the Spartan IV use. They wanted a canon design of their own just as they pawned off the classic Mark V with their Alpha Mark V.
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I understand that much. It just upset me that they went and did it. I had heard about the nanomachine theory beforehand, but before Halo 4, I had never seen or read anything about the presence of said nanomachines in Mark VI armor, and didn’t consider it plausible. I haven’t gotten around to reading the Halo 4 visual guide yet, so maybe that will provide some clarification like Nihilus Shadow said. But I still dislike the way they did it. It would have made more sense to me if they had changed it after the events of Halo 4, instead of the beginning, but that’s just my opinion. I really do appreciate all the help from everyone though.
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Actually blue team is still Navy
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> > > > > My only gripe with Halo armor for the Spartan II’s is the under suit, which makes them all look like Spartan IV regardless of height. If the Spartan II used the under suit designs that Fireteam Osiris had, which made them all look ripped as -yoink- I’d be more satisfied, because Spartan II’s are supposed to be taller and look much more muscular. I rather the design sake for Osiris be changed to what the standard Spartan IV under suits in Halo 5 matchmaking for the sake of better alienating the Spartan II and making them look more unique as a generation of super soldiers, just like their signature armors.
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I agree with Silver Delerium. In my opinion, 343 could have done a much better job distinguishing Blue Team from all the other Spartans. Considering they have gone through far more physical and genetic augmentations than the average Spartan IV, I feel they should have been depicted as much bulkier and more ripped, as if the Spartan IV armor was slightly too small for them, even considering the slimming factor of their current undersuits.
It was stated in the Fall of Reach that spartan in armor you would not be able to tell if one was a boy or girl. So if Chief and Kelly were to stand side by side, you could not tell them apart. So I don’t think i’d be wrong to assume that despite being bulky you can’t tell which generation they are when armored. As for Osiris, their body suits are specially designed for use by ONI teams.
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> It was stated in the Fall of Reach that spartan in armor you would not be able to tell if one was a boy or girl. So if Chief and Kelly were to stand side by side, you could not tell them apart. So I don’t think i’d be wrong to assume that despite being bulky you can’t tell which generation they are when armored. As for Osiris, their body suits are specially designed for use by ONI teams.
Only two of the armor sets (Hunter and copperhead) are prototypes that are intelligence focused, but all GEN2 Armor follows a similar design pattern.
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