If you think of it they could be like stragglers from the Covenant that still wanna follow that religious belief and they picked up the distress signal that Cortana sent out and boarded the Forward Unto Dawn, or im not %100 sure but in the novel the guy who wanted to assassinate the Arbiter ends up assassinating him and takes over as leader of the Elites and takes them back to the Covenant way again and tries to start it up again, it could also be like what they did in Halo CE where you didnt see the flood until like half way through the game, but you wont see whatever new enemy your facing in Halo 4 until like halfway or less through the game so youll just be fighting the Covie until then.
I dont care if you hate but this is just my personal thought I wanted to share…
(correct me if im wrong with the novel thing too I havent read all of it)
we won’t fully understand it until Thursday War comes out in August (that’s the sequel to Glasslands); it’s certainly interesting though…
I believe Halo 4 is set 5 years after the end of Halo 3 (I’ve read it on here somewhere; I’ll post a link when I find it)… and Glasslands takes place directly after H3, so we have a lot of story to cover between this and finding chief on Requiem (which I’m presuming Serin Osman & co find on Infinity do)
i think you have thought this through without including outside contextual knowlledge, the “forerunner trilogy”, and the “Kilo-five triology” must be taken into account for your assumption. And the arbiter is still very much alive a beleive. in my personal veiw i feel that the elites are on the path to reforming the covenant, just under their rule not the prophets.
I thought it’d be something like all the elites within the nearby area of the events in Halo 2/3 knew what happened between the Elites/Prophets and how the Elites defected so all remaining Elites joined the Arbiter (the arbiter killed the ones loyal to the Covenant)… A signal was sent out letting all nearby Elites in the galaxy know…the elites around the Dyson Sphere where The Chief is at didn’t know because they didn’t get the signal, thus are still loyal to the Covenant. Maybe Arbiter will be aware of this and in Halo 5 have to either fight these Elites or try to convince them to join him
> I thought it’d be something like all the elites within the nearby area of the events in Halo 2/3 knew what happened between the Elites/Prophets and how the Elites defected so all remaining Elites joined the Arbiter (the arbiter killed the ones loyal to the Covenant)… A signal was sent out letting all nearby Elites in the galaxy know…the elites around the Dyson Sphere where The Chief is at didn’t know because they didn’t get the signal, thus are still loyal to the Covenant. Maybe Arbiter will be aware of this and in Halo 5 have to either fight these Elites or try to convince them to join him
Or…
These aren’t actually the same Covenant as before, merely a new alliance among many of the same species who in Glasslands still seem to have some amount of trade. The races are used to each other and dealing with each other so it’s easy to see groups of them working together.
This “Covenant” may be fully aware of everything that has happened and are in fact not Covenant but rather a fleet of pirates or rebels for all we know. Since they’re the same type of aliens as the Covenant once was and use the same sorts of weapons it would be easier to just call them Covenant.
This however disregards all of the likely immense social change that has likely occurred and that is almost certainly an entirely separate political body from the Covenant we know. Whatever the case they’re probably not allied with the Prophets.
I have a feeling not all Elites left the Covenant. There were still Loyalists, and then there were the Separatists we fought with during Halo 3.
EDIT: In The Return, the shipmaster Elite finds the human, and says he knows how to get humans to talk. This would imply torture, and at first he wanted to abandon the human. So why would he do this if the Elites are allies? Something happened.
if you think of it some elites might trying to reform the Covnenant but only a few because if you have seen the game informer pics they arent wearing full body armor which could refer to the fact that there isnt much support for the Covenant anymore which means less equipment and currency to help there cause (just a guess)
> I have a feeling not all Elites left the Covenant. <mark>There were still Loyalists</mark>, and then there were the Separatists we fought with during Halo 3.
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> EDIT: In The Return, the shipmaster Elite finds the human, and says he knows how to get humans to talk. This would imply torture, and at first he wanted to abandon the human. So why would he do this if the <mark>Elites are allies</mark>? Something happened.
First Highlight: The Loyalists were the ones killing the Elites, does it make sense for the Elites to join them? No.
Second Highlight: They never were truly allies, just temporary allies in the vein of the Allies and the Soviet Union. Course that comparison ends when the technological arms race never happened between the humans and Elites, liek it did with the US and USSR, since Elites are pretty stupid in making and repairing their stuff while humans aren’t stupid in that regard.
Like we saw in Glasslands, there were a few key mindsets for the Sangheili in the post-war months:
Further efforts towards a permanent Earth-Sanghelios alliance
Isolation and reconstruction
Preparation to counter their rival superpower, the United Earth Government in open galactic war.
Control over the galaxy with a “revised” Covenant religion
Of course the last’s reference to “revised” cuts out that Great Journey nonsense and applies to rivaling the UNSC.
Thing is, the Sangheili still had massive fleets still under their control throughout much of the galaxy and likely conquered worlds containing hundreds of ships left improperly commanded by the Jiralhanae. Any anti-alliance forces could snatch up a great deal of armaments to their cause.
Which would be the enemies we will be fighting in Halo 4.
> <mark>Thing is, the Sangheili still had massive fleets still under their control throughout much of the galaxy and likely conquered worlds containing hundreds of ships left improperly commanded by the Jiralhanae.</mark> Any anti-alliance forces could snatch up a great deal of armaments to their cause.
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> Which would be the enemies we will be fighting in Halo 4.
Which the Brutes have been stealing. The Loyalists are still out there and we know the Elites take up arms against them. I don’t deny the anti-human, pro-Great Journey, rebel group has an role moving forward, but with all of this war and civil war, I have to wonder how a new Covenant with the Elites seemingly on top could occur, much less one with fleets of ships.
> I was to lazy to read any of anything on this post so sorry if it has already been said.
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> I have to wonder how a new Covenant with the Elites seemingly on top could occur, much less one with fleets of ships.
I’d imagine that the brutality of the Jiralhanae is less preferable to the snobbery of the Sangheili. The economically-inclined Kig-yar and the subservient Unggoy, Yanme’e, and Mgalekgolo races would again align themselves under their former noble leaders rather than the idiotic newbies who couldn’t destroy a single battlegroup (Fleet of Retribution) with four times as many warships.
> > I have to wonder how a new Covenant with the Elites seemingly on top could occur, much less one with fleets of ships.
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> I’d imagine that the brutality of the Jiralhanae is less preferable to the snobbery of the Sangheili. The economically-inclined Kig-yar and the subservient Unggoy, Yanme’e, and Mgalekgolo races would again align themselves under their former noble leaders rather than the idiotic newbies who couldn’t destroy a single battlegroup (Fleet of Retribution) with four times as many warships.
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Of course we have Jackals, Brutes and Grunts chilling with the human rebels on Venezia. So I doubt they will all just fall in line once again.
If you think of it the rest of the species that were in the Covenant would probably seem lost without the Covenant having no reason to do anything anymore so thats a possibiltiy why the Covenant are back and they needed leaders so thats where the Elites step in
> If you think of it the rest of the species that were in the Covenant would probably seem lost without the Covenant having no reason to do anything anymore so thats a possibiltiy why the Covenant are back and they needed leaders so thats where the Elites step in
But the whole concerstone of their faith, ie the Great Journey, was blown apart as fake.