Yes I know it’s a cliché plot. Yes I know 343 just demonized a companion who has been with you for 15 years.
But…I was watching a youtuber and he said that because of Cortana, we might get that old halo feel back.
The original trilogy was about humanity fighting for SURVIVAL. Humanity was the underdog and each victory felt like a major blow to the covenant. In halo 4 and 5, Humanity is the all powerful species of the Galaxy. Lasky even says in halo 4 (when you first enter war games) that “we are the giants now.” So the roles of the covenant and humans switched during 3 and 4.
Now, humanity is back to being the underdogs and the created are the all powerful species. As far as we know, it’s just the Infinity and the SoS with Blue Team, Osiris, and Arbiter.
This could retain the classic halo feel where each battle won was a huge victory and not just splitting up a remnant. Am I right that having a created uprising is a good thing or is 343 still stupid for making her evil?
Edit: Here’s the youtuber I was talking about if you want to check out his channel.
i’m still holding out and hoping that Cortana is being controlled by either the Didact or The Gravemind. it would make for a much better story if she is being controlled vs it just being her going nuts.
Not sure I would consider her necessarily evil. Misguided seems like a better fit. In the campaign her end game was arguably good. Her approach is where the problem lies. Provided, of course, her stated goal wasn’t simply misdirection. But yeah, as stated by the above poster, something more sinister is probably pulling the strings behind the scenes.
Cortana always came off to me as a soon to be rogue/corrupt ai program…
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> i’m still holding out and hoping that Cortana is being controlled by either the Didact or The Gravemind. it would make for a much better story if she is being controlled vs it just being her going nuts.
And that in the end she helps defeat the true evil. This is what I want as well, and it will make a good parallel to the events of Halo2/3 where she was “inside” the Gravemind and helping to defeat it. You can even have the money shot back where you get to save Cortana (again).
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> i’m still holding out and hoping that Cortana is being controlled by either the Didact or The Gravemind. it would make for a much better story if she is being controlled vs it just being her going nuts.
She’s rampant though.
They planned on cortana going rogue since halo ce, but im still mad that they did it. They have other villians they couldve used but they used cortana. Halo 4 broke my heart ( in a good way ) with its story but 5 just pisses me off. Cortana, come home with us. Actually reminds me of gary come home and that episode made me tear up a lot too. Im just very emotional.
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> Not sure I would consider her necessarily evil. Misguided seems like a better fit. In the campaign her end game was arguably good. Her approach is where the problem lies. Provided, of course, her stated goal wasn’t simply misdirection. But yeah, as stated by the above poster, something more sinister is probably pulling the strings behind the scenes.
Hope so. Going crazy is a bit lame even if it was predicted by rampancy in the books and such.
Except they could have kept that feeling with the Didact and even Warden…
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> i’m still holding out and hoping that Cortana is being controlled by either the Didact or The Gravemind. it would make for a much better story if she is being controlled vs it just being her going nuts.
What if she was going to the halo ring to release the gravemind? Do you think it could make halo 6 feel more like halo 3?
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> They planned on cortana going rogue since halo ce, but im still mad that they did it. They have other villians they couldve used but they used cortana. Halo 4 broke my heart ( in a good way ) with its story but 5 just pisses me off. Cortana, come home with us. Actually reminds me of gary come home and that episode made me tear up a lot too. Im just very emotional.
No they didn’t. An early rough draft was to have Cortana go crazy after being integrated with Halo’s systems, but it was cut. They might be bringing it back, but Bungie never intended for Cortana to be evil. I also believe that 343i never intended for her to be evil. There is a good theory that Halsey was supposed to be the bad guy in Halo 5, and that after combining both parts of the Janis key she would have done exactly what Cortana is doing now, but Microsoft didn’t like that Cortana was gone so they forced 34i to shoehorn her in and they had to basically rewrite the game to adjust for that. That story would have tied into Halo 4 a lot better, and also explains why the sudden character change from Palmer happened with her being all buddy-buddy with Halsey.
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> Except they could have kept that feeling with the Didact and even Warden…
The didact was just a forerunner who wanted to kill everyone and was ultimately was defeated by just Blue team. Cortana and the created control pretty much everything and the Guardians can EMP worlds. I feel that the Didact wouldn’t be a big threat while Cortana is because she can enslave humanity. Even if the didact composed Earth, the rest of humanity and SoS would just REQ him and his ship.
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> i’m still holding out and hoping that Cortana is being controlled by either the Didact or The Gravemind. it would make for a much better story if she is being controlled vs it just being her going nuts.
She is a strong independent woman who doesn’t need a man controlling her to make her own decision.
I think it’s interesting looking back that Cortana going bad has been planned for so long. Remember the Cortana emails from a long time ago? They basically foretold this change.
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> The didact was just a forerunner who wanted to kill everyone and was ultimately was defeated by just Blue team. Cortana and the created control pretty much everything and the Guardians can EMP worlds. I feel that the Didact wouldn’t be a big threat while Cortana is because she can enslave humanity. Even if the didact composed Earth, the rest of humanity and SoS would just REQ him and his ship.
It’s not exactly correct to call him “just” a forerunner. He’s responsible for the species wide genocide of humanity, sending them back to the stone age, and then composing them to fight the flood. That power has only been paralleled by the flood themselves.
Cortana is only a galactic threat because of her access to the domain, which is questionable at best because Warden permitted it, and towards the end, he even admits he could “burn her from the domain.”
I see your point but if humanity having their backs against the wall is what they were going for they could have done it much better. I don’t think that’s their goal. I think because this is the reclaimer saga they want to establish the next owner of the mantle (if the mantle should even exist)
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> It’s not exactly correct to call him “just” a forerunner. He’s responsible for the species wide genocide of humanity, sending them back to the stone age, and then composing them to fight the flood. That power has only been paralleled by the flood themselves.
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> Cortana is only a galactic threat because of her access to the domain, which is questionable at best because Warden permitted it, and towards the end, he even admits he could “burn her from the domain.”
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> I see your point but if humanity having their backs against the wall is what they were going for they could have done it much better. I don’t think that’s their goal. I think because this is the reclaimer saga they want to establish the next owner of the mantle (if the mantle should even exist)
It wasn’t just the didact alone who sent humanity back to the Stone Age. It was all of the forerunners. Yes he played a big part in it but could never defeat humanity by himself. Composing cavemen is hardly an achievement IMO. Don’t get me wrong, I hope he returns, I just can’t see him making humanity the underdogs. The Warden I can kind of see because of his million bodies and such, but I still feel that the might of the Galaxy would overpower all one million of his bodies.
Edit: I think Warden could’ve only burned her from the domain was when she was digital but now she’s physical. Her access to the domain is a key part in having more AIs side with her. I just think that she’s the only enemy to make the humans the underdogs again.
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> Yes I know it’s a cliché plot. Yes I know 343 just demonized a companion who has been with them for 15 years.
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> But…I was watching a youtuber and he said that because of Cortana, we might get that old halo feel back.
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> The original trilogy was about humanity fighting for SURVIVAL. Humanity was the underdog and each victory felt like a major blow to the covenant. In halo 4 and 5, Humanity is the all powerful species of the Galaxy. Lasky even says in halo 4 (when you first enter war games) that “we are the giants now.” So the roles of the covenant and humans switched during 3 and 4.
But why do we need to recycle the theme of the last trilogy? What had been developing would already have put the UNSC in a difficult spot. You had Jul 'Mdama’s Covenant, and you had the resurgence of the insurrectionist movement with the New Colonial Alliance. There were far better ways of taking down the illusion of superiority than bringing a character back from the dead and making them evil. Hell, those two elements of the story and several others were just thrown out the window because of Cortana’s motives.
> Now, humanity is back to being the underdogs and the created are the all powerful species. As far as we know, it’s just the Infinity and the SoS with Blue Team, Osiris, and Arbiter.
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> This could retain the classic halo feel where each battle won was a huge victory and not just splitting up a remnant. Am I right that having a created uprising is a good thing or is 343 still stupid for making her evil?
No, it isn’t a good thing because all it really speaks of is laziness at recycling the past, a misguided attempt to make a compelling villain (even her motives are recycled from the Forerunners) and I blame this new emphasis on Cortana being directly responsible for how crappy 343 ended the Janus Key and Absolute Record arc in Halo: Escalation. They knew nothing significant could come from that and make Cortana’s return less significant so they just ignored it and made it as if nothing happened.
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> Yes I know it’s a cliché plot. Yes I know 343 just demonized a companion who has been with them for 15 years.
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> But…I was watching a youtuber and he said that because of Cortana, we might get that old halo feel back.
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> The original trilogy was about humanity fighting for SURVIVAL. Humanity was the underdog and each victory felt like a major blow to the covenant. In halo 4 and 5, Humanity is the all powerful species of the Galaxy. Lasky even says in halo 4 (when you first enter war games) that “we are the giants now.” So the roles of the covenant and humans switched during 3 and 4.
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> Now, humanity is back to being the underdogs and the created are the all powerful species. As far as we know, it’s just the Infinity and the SoS with Blue Team, Osiris, and Arbiter.
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> This could retain the classic halo feel where each battle won was a huge victory and not just splitting up a remnant. Am I right that having a created uprising is a good thing or is 343 still stupid for making her evil?
Yes it will probably bring back that feel, but they are literally computers with no physical beings to fight other than smashing every hard drive you can find
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> > Yes I know it’s a cliché plot. Yes I know 343 just demonized a companion who has been with them for 15 years.
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> > But…I was watching a youtuber and he said that because of Cortana, we might get that old halo feel back.
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> > The original trilogy was about humanity fighting for SURVIVAL. Humanity was the underdog and each victory felt like a major blow to the covenant. In halo 4 and 5, Humanity is the all powerful species of the Galaxy. Lasky even says in halo 4 (when you first enter war games) that “we are the giants now.” So the roles of the covenant and humans switched during 3 and 4.
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> But why do we need to recycle the theme of the last trilogy? What had been developing would already have put the UNSC in a difficult spot. You had Jul 'Mdama’s Covenant, and you had the resurgence of the insurrectionist movement with the New Colonial Alliance. There were far better ways of taking down the illusion of superiority than bringing a character back from the dead and making them evil. Hell, those two elements of the story and several others were just thrown out the window because of Cortana’s motives.
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> > Now, humanity is back to being the underdogs and the created are the all powerful species. As far as we know, it’s just the Infinity and the SoS with Blue Team, Osiris, and Arbiter.
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> > This could retain the classic halo feel where each battle won was a huge victory and not just splitting up a remnant. Am I right that having a created uprising is a good thing or is 343 still stupid for making her evil?
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> No, it isn’t a good thing because all it really speaks of is laziness at recycling the past, a misguided attempt to make a compelling villain (even her motives are recycled from the Forerunners) and I blame this new emphasis on Cortana being directly responsible for how crappy 343 ended the Janus Key and Absolute Record arc in Halo: Escalation. They knew nothing significant could come from that and make Cortana’s return less significant so they just ignored it and made it as if nothing happened.
People have wanted that old halo feel for a long time now. It didn’t seem that the UNSC were in that difficult of a spot IMO. I think her motives were supposed to be like the forerunners’ because she was in the domain with a lot of forerunner tech. Also I’m pretty sure that Halsey was supposed to be the villain until Microsoft stepped in and told them to write out the Janus key and the absolute record. People want the same feeling as classic halo so I’m just saying that this could give the same feel.
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> > Yes I know it’s a cliché plot. Yes I know 343 just demonized a companion who has been with them for 15 years.
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> > But…I was watching a youtuber and he said that because of Cortana, we might get that old halo feel back.
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> > The original trilogy was about humanity fighting for SURVIVAL. Humanity was the underdog and each victory felt like a major blow to the covenant. In halo 4 and 5, Humanity is the all powerful species of the Galaxy. Lasky even says in halo 4 (when you first enter war games) that “we are the giants now.” So the roles of the covenant and humans switched during 3 and 4.
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> > Now, humanity is back to being the underdogs and the created are the all powerful species. As far as we know, it’s just the Infinity and the SoS with Blue Team, Osiris, and Arbiter.
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> > This could retain the classic halo feel where each battle won was a huge victory and not just splitting up a remnant. Am I right that having a created uprising is a good thing or is 343 still stupid for making her evil?
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> Yes it will probably bring back that feel, but they are literally computers with no physical beings to fight other than smashing every hard drive you can find
Think of the created as the prophets and the prometheans as the grunts/jackals/elites/hunters. You never fight the prophets (except Regret) but they were still the overlords of everyone else.