Why complain?

Whenever I login to these forums I always see at least one of the top three featured topics are complaints. Yes, there are some problems with the game, such as spawns and quite a bad campaign plot (imo) but I think there are a lot more good and original features than bad things. I think 343 have done a great job with this game by giving us what we want, rather than what would benefit them as a company. An example of this is the REQ pack system. If it was EA making this game, the golden REQ packs would be a lot more expensive than 10000Rp. Also the HCS Premium pack that is available this weekend, that wouldn’t have a REQ point value, that would just be real money or nothing.
We get free updates every month including loads of new maps, gametypes, REQs and features (next weeks will be including forge!). Any other company would make these ‘updates’ DLC packs that you would have to buy for $10-$20. Yet people still complain that they are ‘not getting their moneys worth’. I think we are getting more than our moneys worth with this game so here’s a thanks to 343 :slight_smile:
So what do you guys think about this? Are people just being negative for the sake of being negative? Do you agree or disagree with the statement above? I’d like to see what you guys think in the replies below.

Negativity is not healthy!

I agree with you all the way Halo 5 is an amazing game but to many people are complaining about it. We are definitely getting our moneys worth with the free monthly updates. THANK YOU 343!

We flip -Yoink- if it deserves to be flipped because most of us are longtime fans who care about the series’s direction. 343 is just gonna do whatever the hell they want with Halo unless we’re vocal as loyal invested consumers. Thats how the market works. For example I still like Bungie, but I refuse to have anything to do with Destiny after how they treated Martin O’Donnell, and the mess the game was at release.

Not to run the risk of turning this into a complaint thread, but the game has problems. The story (dear lord), like you said, but also the radar, and the commando lunge-esque melee distance.

Negativity is the only thing that got us a decent game in Halo 5, like it or not Halo’s player base is dropping like flies and we are letting 343 know why so they can adjust and make the game better, you do realize this used to be one of the greatest franchises in gaming right?

also these free DLC packs just contain things that were in other halo games at launch anyways so I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on it, and even after this update halo 5 will still be lacking a lot of features, and even though we may technically have a ton of maps most of them are forged, the dev made ones all lack diversity (seriously no 4v4 vehicle maps?)

people just want an actual great halo game, and this one is missing waaaaay too many pieces of that puzzle, but it’s got the most important one (solid gameplay) if 343 plays their cards right and keeps listening to the valid complaints this game will end up being pretty spectacular

I guess some of us have standards. When the game launches with less content than any Halo game since Halo 2, people are understandably not happy. Why should they be ok with that just because they’re getting what should be launch features two months - or more - later?

You know why DLC is free? Because nobody’s gonna pay $10 for Forge or anything else that multiple previous games have launched with. Not only that, but they would effectively be looked at as being worse than Bungie with Desiny by charging for them.

People liked to hear their own voice. It makes them feel cool.

Criticism is the best way to tell 343i that they need to do a better job with the next game for reasons X, Y, and Z.

With the free DLC you can look both ways. They didn’t bring alot of content on release… Only 3 warzone maps etc. so it’s pretty much unfinished to me. On the other hand, they don’t ask money for it, which is good imo. Most companies bring out a game with a small amount of content and a few months later you gotta pay $20 for some DLC. With the rest i agree. People complain just to complain… I think 343i is doing a great job on the Halo franschise. Halo 4 brought me back to the franschise, where Halo 2 and 3 lost me, Reach was good. Bungie made great games and so does 343i.

Crazy thing is, people are starting to complain about Forge and it’s not even here yet! I swear these self-entitled gamers want everything on a silver platter. Microsoft didn’t 343i a whole lot of time with this game, they are doing the best they can.

I’d rather help 343 make their game better than bending over and taking in all their wrongdoings.

It is just that this is a the official forum. This is where people think they will be heard be the devs.

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> Crazy thing is, people are starting to complain about Forge and it’s not even here yet! I swear these self-entitled gamers want everything on a silver platter. Microsoft didn’t 343i a whole lot of time with this game, they are doing the best they can.

Halo 5, had the same development cycle as the previous games. 343 managed to deliver more content in Halo 4 with a slightly shorter cycle. MCC does not really count as there was only a small dedicated team from 343 working on it, while the rest was outsourced.

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> It is just that this is a the official forum. This is where people think they will be heard be the devs.

Yeah, and they almost exclusively never respond here. The toxicity here is nothing compared to Reddit or TeamBeyond and yet they reply there on a consistent basis.

Praising something without reason doesn’t help it get better. Complaining is what devs see and it’s what devs fix. We complain because we care.

… because they hope to see something get changed, and the best place to convey that is directly to the developers on the forum with the added benefit of multiple minds coming together to debate and fine-tune the point?

Better question is, why did you make this thread?

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> Negativity is the only thing that got us a decent game in Halo 5, like it or not Halo’s player base is dropping like flies and we are letting 343 know why so they can adjust and make the game better, you do realize this used to be one of the greatest franchises in gaming right?
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> people just want an actual great halo game, and this one is missing waaaaay too many pieces of that puzzle, but it’s got the most important one (solid gameplay) if 343 plays their cards right and keeps listening to the valid complaints this game will end up being pretty spectacular

so your telling me, through all these updates (FREE UPDATES at that), that they are adding back in all the new assassinations never seen before, new stances, new maps, warzone, arena, and BtB maps specifically. new armors, visors, 3 (counts it THREE) new large unique forge maps with new pallets and effects. new skins, emblems. seems like a lot of those never really existed in previous games, specially as well done and Halo 5 has done it. (lets not talk much about Halo 4 forge, it was pretty bad)

Why do you wake up in the morning?

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> > Negativity is the only thing that got us a decent game in Halo 5, like it or not Halo’s player base is dropping like flies and we are letting 343 know why so they can adjust and make the game better, you do realize this used to be one of the greatest franchises in gaming right?
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> > also these free DLC packs just contain things that were in other halo games at launch anyways so I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on it, and even after this update halo 5 will still be lacking a lot of features, and even though we may technically have a ton of maps most of them are forged, the dev made ones all lack diversity (seriously no 4v4 vehicle maps?)
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> so your telling me, through all these updates (FREE UPDATES at that), that they are adding back in all the new assassinations never seen before, new stances, new maps, warzone, arena, and BtB maps specifically. new armors, visors, 3 (counts it THREE) new large unique forge maps with new pallets and effects. new skins, emblems. seems like a lot of those never really existed in previous games, specially as well done and Halo 5 has done it. (lets not talk much about Halo 4 forge, it was pretty bad)

Come on, there are not a variety of Arena maps right now. Half of the Arena maps are Forged breakout maps or those two Forge canvasses. So many playlists and modes are missing. REQs are really the only things that are new free updates, but the rest are updates to an unfinished game.

go check out the reddict halo 5 forums they aren’t so toxic

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> > > Negativity is the only thing that got us a decent game in Halo 5, like it or not Halo’s player base is dropping like flies and we are letting 343 know why so they can adjust and make the game better, you do realize this used to be one of the greatest franchises in gaming right?
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> > > also these free DLC packs just contain things that were in other halo games at launch anyways so I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on it, and even after this update halo 5 will still be lacking a lot of features, and even though we may technically have a ton of maps most of them are forged, the dev made ones all lack diversity (seriously no 4v4 vehicle maps?)
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> > > people just want an actual great halo game, and this one is missing waaaaay too many pieces of that puzzle, but it’s got the most important one (solid gameplay) if 343 plays their cards right and keeps listening to the valid complaints this game will end up being pretty spectacular
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> > so your telling me, through all these updates (FREE UPDATES at that), that they are adding back in all the new assassinations never seen before, new stances, new maps, warzone, arena, and BtB maps specifically. new armors, visors, 3 (counts it THREE) new large unique forge maps with new pallets and effects. new skins, emblems. seems like a lot of those never really existed in previous games, specially as well done and Halo 5 has done it. (lets not talk much about Halo 4 forge, it was pretty bad)
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> Come on, there are not a variety of Arena maps right now. Half of the Arena maps are Forged breakout maps or those two Forge canvasses. So many playlists and modes are missing. REQs are really the only things that are new free updates, but the rest are updates to an unfinished game.

your right, there aren’t a variety of them, but we still have them and we are still getting new ones. the forge maps are made by people who forge all the time, people who are good at it. and no, not half the Arena maps are forged. all the breakout maps are, you guessed it, breakout maps. there are, what? two forged arena maps, one they took out. all BtB maps seem like they will be forged. we are getting social playlists that include more than BtB. there are a total of three forge canvasses coming out.

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> Yeah, and they almost exclusively never respond here. The toxicity here is nothing compared to Reddit or TeamBeyond and yet they reply there on a consistent basis.

I did not say the people that complain here are smart. I was just pointing out their logic.