I dont understand why there is debate as to if the classic halo formula should change. For those of you who dont know what the “classic halo formula” is let me define it as this: No bloom/recoil on precision weapons, no sprinting/AAs off spawn, bleedthrough, grenades either bounce or have long fuse times, 3-4sk, weapons found on map, and starting with main precision weapon and an automatic weapon.
The classic gameplay is old and nobody wants it anymore
Where is there any evidence for this statement. Halo CE-3 had the “classic halo formula” and were number one. The formula changed with reach and so did halos popularity, leading halo for the first time ever not be number 1 or even #2.
FPSs have changed to where recoil and sprint are standards.
Halo 3 held off COD 4 MW1 and even after MW2 was released it atleast was #2. The classic formula clearly showed it was popular enough to survive the modern military FPS and its mechanics.
What has not been shown are changes to the halo formula Sprint, AAs, non even starts, bloom/recoil on precision wepaons, to be successfull AT ALL
So i just dont get it… There is no evidence behind the statement that the classic halo formula is old and unpopular. The last game that had it fended of MW1 and stayed behind MW2 at #2. It also fended off BF, FIFA, Gears, and all CODs up to MW2, to reign at #1. Reach which changed everything has been a flop if one goes by hard numbers as seen on the XBL activity charts. So where at all is there any proof that the classic halo formula needs to change? There really is only evidence for it not to change.
I usually dont agree with these type of post, but you made it make sense. I thought it was just butthurt fans who wanted a remake, but I see now. I still like armor abilities but that does not mean that they should not incorporate the Halo 3 feeling. This is the first pro h3 post that I actually agree with.
Interesting… its like my own opinions betrayed me…
You’re exactly right, it doesn’t need to change. But 343 feels the need to “make their mark” on Halo, so we’ll have all these unnecessary additions further diluting gameplay.
The “classic” Halo formula is pretty much Halo: CE.
Halo 2 changed the formula.
There are things called “Playlists.” 343i already confirmed that there will be plailists for traditional players.
I rest my case.
> The classic gameplay is old and nobody wants it anymore
That is not what people are saying. People are saying that 343 can and will adding things and different mechanics and alot of us believe(and other don’t) that these new mechanics will not take away from the core “Halo” experience.
> FPSs have changed to where recoil and sprint are standards.
Yes they have and halo has implemented alot of things that other FPS have started since halo 2 some times these new things are welcomed IE dual wielding for example for halo two, and many other mechanics for halo 3
> What has not been shown are changes to the halo formula Sprint, AAs, non even starts, bloom/recoil on precision wepaons, to be successfull AT ALL
There is no possible way that you can say that they are not part of the halo formula seeing as you have not gotten to try these new revamped mechanics. you only have what you think they will be and how you think they will work which doesn’t mean they will be that way. Sprint in halo 4 is already different from reach so there is no way you can compare the two. so there is now knowing how these new additions will really work.l
so judge on Opinions only is wrong and will lead to alot of misconceptions about these new mechanics. And will lead to you swallowing your words.
EDIT: i wanted to add
WHY CAN’T you get it through your head. People will start out evenly They have stated that several time in either your death of just ignorant to just take what there saying as lies. Which is totally wrong. Weapons have Some short of mechanic associated as to help balance the sand box so that more weapons will be balanced. Halo is they exception And that because the weapon available were different from halo CE and halo 3
So they didn’t need to balance for an Assault rifle, because the SMG took the place of the close quarters and the BR took the place of med-long rang. Halo 3 implemented pacing shots to help balance reach added bloom. THESE are Natural if the remove them then the BR becomes the ONLY weapon you can safely use and this is stupid to do when you have large amount of weapons to pull from everything deserves its place in the sandbox.
> You’re exactly right, it doesn’t need to change. But 343 feels the need to “make their mark” on Halo, so we’ll have all these unnecessary additions further diluting gameplay.
343 has to understand that their not supposed to ‘make their mark’ on this game.
They’re supposed to deliver another Halo game, they’re supposed to make the franchise successful again.
> I usually dont agree with these type of post, but you made it make sense. I thought it was just butthurt fans who wanted a remake, but I see now. I still like armor abilities but that does not mean that they should not incorporate the Halo 3 feeling. This is the first pro h3 post that I actually agree with.
> Interesting… its like my own opinions betrayed me…
I too find AAs off spawn fun, much in the way I find living dead and griffball fun. Basically an enjoyable alternative to the standard halo experience that probably shouldnt be ranked due to abuse and it being a more relaxed experience.
Also AAs on the map probably would have went over well among competitive and casual alike. If AL was treated like a rocket launcher or even shotties in rareity if anyone would have complained the competitives would have just said “boo hoo you didnt control the power weapons”.
> You’re exactly right, it doesn’t need to change. But 343 feels the need to “make their mark” on Halo, so we’ll have all these unnecessary additions further diluting gameplay.
You have no idea what your talking about and any one who thinks so in in a heavy delusion because YOU HAVEN’T had any first hand experience with these new mechanics and you can only base you Opinion on just that what you think they will be, which could be terrible wrong.
> > You’re exactly right, it doesn’t need to change. But 343 feels the need to “make their mark” on Halo, so we’ll have all these unnecessary additions further diluting gameplay.
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> You have no idea what your talking about and any one who thinks so in in a heavy delusion because YOU HAVEN’T had any first hand experience with these new mechanics and you can only base you Opinion on just that what you think they will be, which could be terrible wrong.
We know they’re in the game. Therefore, you have no argument. At all.
> > You’re exactly right, it doesn’t need to change. But 343 feels the need to “make their mark” on Halo, so we’ll have all these unnecessary additions further diluting gameplay.
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> You have no idea what your talking about and any one who thinks so in in a heavy delusion because YOU HAVEN’T had any first hand experience with these new mechanics and you can only base you Opinion on just that what you think they will be, which could be terrible wrong.
The addition of things like sprint, possibly AA’s, possible thruster pack/jet pack, armor that affects the player, weapon attachments that affect the gun’s specs, all dilute Halo’s gameplay–taking it further away from the core experience.
> > > You’re exactly right, it doesn’t need to change. But 343 feels the need to “make their mark” on Halo, so we’ll have all these unnecessary additions further diluting gameplay.
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> > You have no idea what your talking about and any one who thinks so in in a heavy delusion because YOU HAVEN’T had any first hand experience with these new mechanics and you can only base you Opinion on just that what you think they will be, which could be terrible wrong.
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> We know they’re in the game. Therefore, you have no argument. At all.
BUT YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED THEN AND YOU DON’T KNOW HOW THEY WORK.
Your forgetting this you can judge something you haven’t had first hand experience with. and if you feel you are entitled to say that you exactly how they will work then your wrong(this is not opinion this is fact) and arrogant.
Damn Bungie when they changed the classic formula in Halo 2! I want the original warthog mechanics to stay the same! I want to not be able to drive it!
I also don’t want no damn BR, that’s not classic Halo!
> > > > You’re exactly right, it doesn’t need to change. But 343 feels the need to “make their mark” on Halo, so we’ll have all these unnecessary additions further diluting gameplay.
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> > > You have no idea what your talking about and any one who thinks so in in a heavy delusion because YOU HAVEN’T had any first hand experience with these new mechanics and you can only base you Opinion on just that what you think they will be, which could be terrible wrong.
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> > We know they’re in the game. Therefore, you have no argument. At all.
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> BUT YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED THEN AND YOU DON’T KNOW HOW THEY WORK.
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> Your forgetting this you can judge something you haven’t had first hand experience with. and if you feel you are entitled to say that you exactly how they will work then your wrong(this is not opinion this is fact) and arrogant.
BLAHBLAHLBLAH
They’re in the game. You don’t even have an argument.
> > > You’re exactly right, it doesn’t need to change. But 343 feels the need to “make their mark” on Halo, so we’ll have all these unnecessary additions further diluting gameplay.
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> > You have no idea what your talking about and any one who thinks so in in a heavy delusion because YOU HAVEN’T had any first hand experience with these new mechanics and you can only base you Opinion on just that what you think they will be, which could be terrible wrong.
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> The addition of things like sprint, possibly AA’s, possible thruster pack/jet pack, armor that affects the player, weapon attachments that affect the gun’s specs, all dilute Halo’s gameplay–taking it further away from the core experience.
Ok seriously
1.Sprints in the game and you have no idea how it will play in halo 4 only how it plays in reach. or how you think it will play.
2.im sure thrust wont be in the game.
3.You have no idea of how these armor effect will actually work
4.i have heard anything about gun attachments unless you know something the rest of the fans would like to know.
All of this said you have no idea how thing will actually work with out actually play the game
> 343 has to understand that their not supposed to ‘make their mark’ on this game.
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> They’re supposed to deliver another Halo game, they’re supposed to make the franchise successful again.
This makes me want to cry, I’ll go lurk Halo GAF a little more, all those guys do is talk about how excited they are and if they want to play Reach together.
> > > > > You’re exactly right, it doesn’t need to change. But 343 feels the need to “make their mark” on Halo, so we’ll have all these unnecessary additions further diluting gameplay.
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> > > > You have no idea what your talking about and any one who thinks so in in a heavy delusion because YOU HAVEN’T had any first hand experience with these new mechanics and you can only base you Opinion on just that what you think they will be, which could be terrible wrong.
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> > > We know they’re in the game. Therefore, you have no argument. At all.
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> > BUT YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED THEN AND YOU DON’T KNOW HOW THEY WORK.
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> > Your forgetting this you can judge something you haven’t had first hand experience with. and if you feel you are entitled to say that you exactly how they will work then your wrong(this is not opinion this is fact) and arrogant.
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> BLAHBLAHLBLAH
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> They’re in the game. You don’t even have an argument.
Great way to back up and argument. Fact still is, doesn’t matter if anything is in the game you cant rightly judge it till you actually play it and to come back and Say “BLAHAH…” just show your immature and cant formulate and accurate response. Facts are facts
> > > > > > You’re exactly right, it doesn’t need to change. But 343 feels the need to “make their mark” on Halo, so we’ll have all these unnecessary additions further diluting gameplay.
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> > > > > You have no idea what your talking about and any one who thinks so in in a heavy delusion because YOU HAVEN’T had any first hand experience with these new mechanics and you can only base you Opinion on just that what you think they will be, which could be terrible wrong.
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> > > > We know they’re in the game. Therefore, you have no argument. At all.
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> > > BUT YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED THEN AND YOU DON’T KNOW HOW THEY WORK.
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> > > Your forgetting this you can judge something you haven’t had first hand experience with. and if you feel you are entitled to say that you exactly how they will work then your wrong(this is not opinion this is fact) and arrogant.
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> > BLAHBLAHLBLAH
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> > They’re in the game. You don’t even have an argument.
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> Great way to back up and argument. Fact still is, doesn’t matter if anything is in the game you cant rightly judge it till you actually play it and to come back and Say “BLAHAH…” just show your immature and cant formulate and accurate response. Facts are facts
You’re still using the same argument. Give me a reason why it has any merit at all, and I’ll give you a reason why you’re wrong.
> Damn Bungie when they changed the classic formula in Halo 2! I want the original warthog mechanics to stay the same! I want to not be able to drive it!
> I also don’t want no damn BR, that’s not classic Halo!
I really dont understand why we had to change from a pistol to a BR either. Im sure 500+ years from now their version of a pistol would = current rifles. It was something that made halo unique that could have been explained as “a weapon unique to spartans to conserve weight but fires rifle rounds”
either way most BR lovers probably love the CE magnum just as much if not more
actually the hog has handled more or less the same since halo 1
> > > > > > > You’re exactly right, it doesn’t need to change. But 343 feels the need to “make their mark” on Halo, so we’ll have all these unnecessary additions further diluting gameplay.
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> > > > > > You have no idea what your talking about and any one who thinks so in in a heavy delusion because YOU HAVEN’T had any first hand experience with these new mechanics and you can only base you Opinion on just that what you think they will be, which could be terrible wrong.
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> > > > > We know they’re in the game. Therefore, you have no argument. At all.
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> > > > BUT YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED THEN AND YOU DON’T KNOW HOW THEY WORK.
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> > > > Your forgetting this you can judge something you haven’t had first hand experience with. and if you feel you are entitled to say that you exactly how they will work then your wrong(this is not opinion this is fact) and arrogant.
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> > > BLAHBLAHLBLAH
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> > > They’re in the game. You don’t even have an argument.
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> > Great way to back up and argument. Fact still is, doesn’t matter if anything is in the game you cant rightly judge it till you actually play it and to come back and Say “BLAHAH…” just show your immature and cant formulate and accurate response. Facts are facts
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> You’re still using the same argument. Give me a reason why it has any merit at all, and I’ll give you a reason why you’re wrong.
Because to give a true analysis of how something will work within a particular game you need to actually have played said game.
And a mechanics such as sprint which have many variables which could easily be balanced and fixed to work For halo 4. Any one who says it cant Has not weight to there argument because they have no Real IDEA how it will actually work in halo 4. On a concept which your own BIAS mind has conceived, and could in fact be way off the actual way the mechanic works.