In Infinity I just find it odd that people are saying its no longer an arena shooter in the new playlists were loadouts are available. as I recall the warhammer games is an example of a game with a versatile and balanced sandbox and arena aspect with loadouts and from what I have personally heard it works well just my 2 cents still pumped for to more classic playlists tbh just in case i don’t like the new features I know I cant be disappointed by those. (hopefully)
> In Infinity I just find it odd that people are saying its no longer an arena shooter in the new playlists were loadouts are available. as I recall the warhammer games is an example of a game with a versatile and balanced sandbox and arena aspect with loadouts and from what I have personally heard it works well just my 2 cents still pumped for to more classic playlists tbh just in case i don’t like the new features I know I cant be disappointed by those. (hopefully)
Because Arena Shooters are dead.
Because the age of Arena shooters are dying out. Halo is evolving otherwise it will die.
EDIT: Space Marine worked well IMO. Well balanced. I’d say that the Assault/Raptor class can be a bit OP at times.
Someday. Maybe even after H6…
HALO: ARENA
> SPESS MAHREEN worked well IMO. Well balanced. I’d say that the Assault/Raptor class can be a bit OP at times.
Fixed.
Also: Disagree.
/tangent
> > In Infinity I just find it odd that people are saying its no longer an arena shooter in the new playlists were loadouts are available. as I recall the warhammer games is an example of a game with a versatile and balanced sandbox and arena aspect with loadouts and from what I have personally heard it works well just my 2 cents still pumped for to more classic playlists tbh just in case i don’t like the new features I know I cant be disappointed by those. (hopefully)
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> Because Arena Shooters are dead.
well at least there should be these “streamlined” playlists they have been talking about
> > > In Infinity I just find it odd that people are saying its no longer an arena shooter in the new playlists were loadouts are available. as I recall the warhammer games is an example of a game with a versatile and balanced sandbox and arena aspect with loadouts and from what I have personally heard it works well just my 2 cents still pumped for to more classic playlists tbh just in case i don’t like the new features I know I cant be disappointed by those. (hopefully)
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> > Because Arena Shooters are dead.
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> well at least there should be these “streamlined” playlists they have been talking about
There will be.
They won’t have a lot of people playing them though, and that’s going to push more people away from them, creating a vicious cycle.
Halo hasn’t been an effective “Arena Shooter” since people discovered the Magnum was OP.
> > SPESS MAHREEN worked well IMO. Well balanced. I’d say that the Assault/Raptor class can be a bit OP at times.
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> Fixed.
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> Also: Disagree.
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> /tangent
I disagree on your disagreement.
> > SPESS MAHREEN worked well IMO. Well balanced. I’d say that the Assault/Raptor class can be a bit OP at times.
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> Fixed.
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> Also: Disagree.
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> /tangent
Hahahahahahha
No I believe it worked fine. There were a couple of things wrong. But NOTHINGS PERFECT.
Arena Shooters are dead?
Look, all I want want for halo 4 is fair and balanced gameplay along with a sound matching making system… unfortunally class based shooters don’t bring that… they are unfair to new players who start of with minnimal equipment as they get run over by players with superior weapons over and over… They destory the tram accept of the game people now only care about themselves and their credits… rather than working together to reach a common goal: Winning for exp as a team. It creates imbalance within the game due to perks or AA or whatever… since there will always be one AA or Perk which everyone will complain about… Remove it? then the next one will step in it’s place… ie Armor lock the Jetpack ect.
If 343 manange to balance Halo 4 then there will be no problems… but im seeing NO EVIDENCE OF THIS SO FAR. So far we have killsteaks which encourges camping… we have promethan vision which is basically a wall hack! what if the WHOLE team is using it ect ect.
If Arena shooters are dead? then So is Balance.
This new younger generation doesnt appreciate them anymore.
Off topic- The only people I hear that are excited for black ops 2 are little kids 14 and under. Younger gamers generally dont appreciate good games anymore appearently.
If your a young gamer that still plays Halo disregard my insult. Your better than your peers.
> Arena Shooters are dead?
Yes they are.
What was the last semi-popular Arena shooter? I’ll take a stab and say UT3.
Tribes Ascend is only for PC, Nexuiz got middle of the road reviews with a broken MMing service.
> they are unfair to new players who start of with minnimal equipment as they get run over by players with superior weapons over and over…
H4 is going to have default Loadouts that will let new players stand on equal footing to veteran players. All that veteran players will have is the benefit of creating their own custom loadouts.
> rather than working together to reach a common goal: Winning for exp as a team.
Solution: Increase the win bonus.
> It creates imbalance within the game due to perks or AA or whatever… since there will always be one AA or Perk which everyone will complain about… Remove it? then the next one will step in it’s place… ie Armor lock the Jetpack ect.
Honestly? I never saw that much AL or Jetpack abuse.
And after playing other games with perks, it’s honestly not the soul crushing, gameplay destroying experience everyone hyperboles it to be.
> we have promethan vision which is basically a wall hack!
Heads up: Radar lets you see through walls too.
> Arena Shooters are dead?
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> Look, all I want want for halo 4 is fair and balanced gameplay along with a sound matching making system… unfortunally class based shooters don’t bring that… they are unfair to new players who start of with minnimal equipment as they get run over by players with superior weapons over and over… They destory the tram accept of the game people now only care about themselves and their credits… rather than working together to reach a common goal: Winning for exp as a team. It creates imbalance within the game due to perks or AA or whatever… since there will always be one AA or Perk which everyone will complain about… Remove it? then the next one will step in it’s place… ie Armor lock the Jetpack ect.
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> If 343 manange to balance Halo 4 then there will be no problems… but im seeing NO EVIDENCE OF THIS SO FAR. So far we have killsteaks which encourges camping… we have promethan vision which is basically a wall hack! what if the WHOLE team is using it ect ect.
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> If Arena shooters are dead? then So is Balance.
No evidence of balance? Jeez, you need to open your eyes, maybe pay attention a little.
Promethean Vision can help end camping. Whats the point of camping if everyone can see you?
Then Promethean Vision has balance. When using it, it releases a sound to everyone you’re watching. They’ll know they’re being watched. Then, all the colors are messed up. Everything besides enemies and friendlies get blue and somewhat confusing. Enemies, when watched, are dim behind a wall, making it harder to see them, especially when looking through complex geometry. Also, holograms fake out Promethean vision. No word on Active Camo, though. Oh, and Promethean Vision is still bein gtweaked.
> Halo hasn’t been an effective “Arena Shooter” since people discovered the Magnum was OP.
Well when im talking arena shooter i am talking about shooters were there is a variety of weapons on map and everyone spawns similar however I realize a real arena shooter is quake which I love just a want a new installment maybe an arcade anyway uts a shame but I dont mind modern fps’s too much so.
Because Arena Shooters are too hard for kids these days. I swear everything is becoming easy for this generation
> > Halo hasn’t been an effective “Arena Shooter” since people discovered the Magnum was OP.
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> Well when im talking arena shooter i am talking about shooters were there is a variety of weapons on map and everyone spawns similar however I realize a real arena shooter is quake which I love just a want a new installment maybe an arcade anyway uts a shame but I dont mind modern fps’s too much so.
Yeah, variety of weapons. and Halo has been failing in that regard.
It also doesn’t help the fact that half the community have gotten so used to relying on one weapon that they’re in favour of limiting the game down to just that one weapon.
Frankly if Halo even wants to come close to being labeled as an “Arena Shooter” then this half of the community needs to realise that their OP weapon that they always limit the game to doesn’t help.
> > Arena Shooters are dead?
> >
> > Look, all I want want for halo 4 is fair and balanced gameplay along with a sound matching making system… unfortunally class based shooters don’t bring that… they are unfair to new players who start of with minnimal equipment as they get run over by players with superior weapons over and over… They destory the tram accept of the game people now only care about themselves and their credits… rather than working together to reach a common goal: Winning for exp as a team. It creates imbalance within the game due to perks or AA or whatever… since there will always be one AA or Perk which everyone will complain about… Remove it? then the next one will step in it’s place… ie Armor lock the Jetpack ect.
> >
> > If 343 manange to balance Halo 4 then there will be no problems… but im seeing NO EVIDENCE OF THIS SO FAR. So far we have killsteaks which encourges camping… we have promethan vision which is basically a wall hack! what if the WHOLE team is using it ect ect.
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> > If Arena shooters are dead? then So is Balance.
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> No evidence of balance? Jeez, you need to open your eyes, maybe pay attention a little.
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> Promethean Vision can help end camping. Whats the point of camping if everyone can see you?
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> Then Promethean Vision has balance. When using it, it releases a sound to everyone you’re watching. They’ll know they’re being watched. Then, all the colors are messed up. Everything besides enemies and friendlies get blue and somewhat confusing. Enemies, when watched, are dim behind a wall, making it harder to see them, especially when looking through complex geometry. Also, holograms fake out Promethean vision. No word on Active Camo, though. Oh, and Promethean Vision is still bein gtweaked.
Whats the point of Camping? What if your camping with promethan vision, 343i said that Pro vison would be useless to MLG players… the first game of Halo 4 that a so they used nothing but promethan vison.
The sound pro vison makes can be turned into an advantage… what if the whole team is using pro vision then you can’t pin point who is using it plus you will be constantly hearing a pinging noise over and over…
> 343i said that Pro vison would be useless to MLG players… the first game of Halo 4 that a so they used nothing but promethan vison.
I remember an argument that was made against me quite a while back.
“Overuse doesn’t mean overpowered.”
Just because MLG was using nothing but PV doesn’t make PV overpowered. All PV does is give you a more enhanced and focused version of radar.
> Arena Shooters are dead?
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> Look, all I want want for halo 4 is fair and balanced gameplay along with a sound matching making system… unfortunally class based shooters don’t bring that… they are unfair to new players who start of with minnimal equipment as they get run over by players with superior weapons over and over… They destory the tram accept of the game people now only care about themselves and their credits… rather than working together to reach a common goal: Winning for exp as a team. It creates imbalance within the game due to perks or AA or whatever… since there will always be one AA or Perk which everyone will complain about… Remove it? then the next one will step in it’s place… ie Armor lock the Jetpack ect.
>
> If 343 manange to balance Halo 4 then there will be no problems… but im seeing NO EVIDENCE OF THIS SO FAR. So far we have killsteaks which encourges camping… we have promethan vision which is basically a wall hack! what if the WHOLE team is using it ect ect.
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> If Arena shooters are dead? then So is Balance.
Non arena shooters can be balanced see: counter strike and modern fps’s without arena aspect can work very well ordinance drops=/= killstreaks and promethan vision is not golden yet perks and AAs can work and ive heard alto of good things from they work well to little to no effect on game play as much as CoD 343i has been hard at work we shouldnt go to far as an end conclusion loadouts in H4 are more based on playstyle then OP wepons as far as i can tell right now and plus day 1 playlists without this stuff so if the system winds up going belly up we could A. rank up till we get what we want or B. Don’t play these new playlists at all calm down a bit 343i is trying to have everyone covered no matter how small the population. Personolly I like AAs from reach except AL (zips up flamesuit) and if these new features work well IMO then I will play with them.