Why Big Team Battle Feels So Bad

I love BTB, particularly when you get the squad into a warthog and just hoon it around. I think it is amazing as it is, just needs a few vehicle/spawn tweaks and it will be perfect.
Most of my absolute favourite moments of infinite multiplayer have been in BTB, it just has so much chaos going on that every now and then something amazing happens that just feels so cool, and I think the team size is perfect for the maps.

if we started with BRs, it would be awful. There are plenty of BRs to pick up if you need them, but having 24 players with BRs would just make everyone instantly die. It only takes 4 bursts to down someone 100%, so just imagine how that would feel - the moment you step out behind a rock you would get instantly bursted to death from across the map. Basically I think that having AR starts with a healthy amount of BRs and commandos to pick up around the map is the best choice, as it allows the game to develop into enjoyable chaos rather than everyone hiding behind rocks pointing their BR scopes at the unused vehicles waiting for someone to try and use them.

The only thing that BTB needs in my opinion is more consistent, even spawns of vehicles, with scorpions and wraiths spawning roughly halfway through the match so they can actually be used instead of spawning with 20 seconds left in the match. I really like how the wasps spawn on highpower, like it was in the older halos - they should have a consistent base spawn of flying vehicles on each map and also buff the banshee damage then it would be perfect.

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Looks like I was wrong about most people preferring 4v4 lmao. Lots of good points in the thread, appreciate the input. The vehicle and weapon spawns in particular are indeed really important concerns that need tuning. I’m confident many if not all of our concerns will be tweaked and rebalanced. Especially since this game is battlepass funded I think we’ll see a healthy amount of continuous development, balancing, and changes.

I absolutely grinded BTB today to get some challenges done and honestly, I feel like my opinion on BTB has changed a bit. I’m starting to get a better feel for it. A big part of it really came down to adapting play style to the mode I’m playing. 4v4, ranked, and BTB each have their own variety of nuances and details that force you to approach the game differently. It just took me awhile to really notice it, but now I’m enjoying BTB a lot more. Lots of people’s comments also convinced me on some things as well. For example, maybe BR starts wouldn’t be the right move. BTB needs some tweaking, there’s some issues, but all in all is actually a really fun mode.

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in halo 3 you could also make some vehicles tip over with frags if you timed them right, can’t do that on Infinite.

we don’t need BR starts, if you want BR starts go to ranked, otherwise we could use faster spawning items.

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Hah! Tell that to the rest of my teammates every game when the first thing everyone does is run straight to the BR rack. With no player collision it’s like BR roulette to see who can get the BR. (It’s also pretty telling to watch everyone ignore the Commando when it is on the rack instead of the BR.)

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PLayer lacking collision hides netcode issues…

You mean the net code issues that are already completely obvious with enemies?

probably all i know is i drove off a cliff with a warthog since i was suddenly teleported like 5 feet foward when I was TRYING TO TURN

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Hahaha… I was driving a warthog with a friend and he kept asking why I was driving into a rock. On my screen I was all the way at the other teams base wondering why he wasn’t shooting anything :joy:

Yeah unfortuantly i had a passenger with me too so yeah the game just screwed over two players.

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No BR starts is a deal breaker for me. Huge map like that with no BR? Gtfo

My biggest issue right now is lack of BR’s. You give me that and BTB will be my go to mode like every other Halo. They could at least test it out to see how people like it. If it doesn’t work it, switch it back.

play Ranked Br starts are in Ranked.

Why test it out when there’s ranked we don’t need two of the same thing.

Because it’s very different from ranked? With that logic you could say we already have ar/pistol starts in quick play, we don’t need two of the same thing.

I do play ranked, I love the BR starts. I want BR starts in BTB.

does ranked not have BTB?

No lol It’s strictly 4v4 on 4v4 maps

Plenty of people do not like BTB on this game. Myself included.

I think the map size is good but you should have Air and Tanks off the start.
I would like bigger maps but I do t mind the current ones.
We should start with BRs. I agree with everything else.

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