Not that I’m unhappy about it I was just wondering. They were good allies in H3 and now they decide to rebel again. I wonder how the Arbiter and that white Shipmaster guy ( Sorry I’m to lazy to remember what his name is) is gonna fit into all this.
Those elites who fighting MC are private elites and they hate humans, but those are with arbiter are the good ones.
Some Elites didn’t want to be with the humans
5 years. Humans may have become A_Holes who thought Elites deserved to be Punished of some sort. In the books weren’t ONI people messing around with the Elites and Arbiter…
I got the impression that the elites who fought with the Chief in H4 were rebels of some sort? It’s like how a country could make an allegiance with another but still have stranglers who wage war.
The elites with the Arby are still bro’s with the Chief, I imagine.
Cortana said that those Elites were Rogue.
Some Elites just want to watch the world burn I guess.
I just want to know where the Elites managed to get a fleet of ships. Both the pro-Arbiter side and pro-'Telcam side had very few ships to control, the pro-Arbiter side having the advantage. That said, for six years after the end of Halo 3 the Elites waged a war with the Covenant remnants controlled by the Prophets and Brutes. Then there was the fact that neither side without the Prophets, who disappeared, could fix or replace their ships.
> I just want to know where the Elites managed to get a fleet of ships. Both the pro-Arbiter side and pro-'Telcam side had very few ships to control, the pro-Arbiter side having the advantage. That said, for six years after the end of Halo 3 the Elites waged a war with the Covenant remnants controlled by the Prophets and Brutes. Then there was the fact that neither side without the Prophets, who disappeared, could fix or replace their ships.
What if they were defectors of both Thel and the Covenant?
> > I just want to know where the Elites managed to get a fleet of ships. Both the pro-Arbiter side and pro-'Telcam side had very few ships to control, the pro-Arbiter side having the advantage. That said, for six years after the end of Halo 3 the Elites waged a war with the Covenant remnants controlled by the Prophets and Brutes. Then there was the fact that neither side without the Prophets, who disappeared, could fix or replace their ships.
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> What if they were defectors of both Thel and the Covenant?
Even so, there is the fact that Brutes, who the Elites foolishly I might add allowed them to work their technology, stealing ships and going to parts unknown. So I don’t see many defectors on the Covenant Loyalist end. As for Thel, perhaps, but both sides would have to contend humanity isn’t the bigger threat.
> Not that I’m unhappy about it I was just wondering. They were good allies in H3 and now they decide to rebel again. I wonder how the Arbiter and that white Shipmaster guy ( Sorry I’m to lazy to remember what his name is) is gonna fit into all this.
Many of the above statements plus the fact that we could be fighting a friggin rogue fleet or more than one rogue fleet.
> I just want to know where the Elites managed to get a fleet of ships. Both the pro-Arbiter side and pro-'Telcam side had very few ships to control, the pro-Arbiter side having the advantage. That said, for six years after the end of Halo 3 the Elites waged a war with the Covenant remnants controlled by the Prophets and Brutes. Then there was the fact that neither side without the Prophets, who disappeared, could fix or replace their ships.
Well its been a few years so I would imagine they built a ton of ships by then
> Those elites who fighting MC are private elites and they hate humans, but those are with arbiter are the good ones.
He means pirate.
See Glasslands for clarification.
Glasslands clarifies absolutely nothing about the elites we’re fighting in Halo 4 outside of the fact that “some elites still want humans dead.”
It does not explain where a whole fleet of not just elites but the entire gamut of covenant species came from.
Canonically, ( In Halo: Glasslands) there is a split between the elites, they have after all been warriors for 1000’s of years. The Arbiter wants them to get their -Yoink- together, he’s of the opinion that its much more important they learn to farm, and build, and engineer again. However a very vocal sect of the elites believe that Humans will try to wipe them out, so we should be wiped out before we make our move.
Mean wile ONI is supplying the rebel elites with weapons, and fueling the civil war going on in hopes they will kill one another.
This if further implied that they are the separatists when you look at this If you look at the Red elite his armor is all dented up, like it was scavenged. Others are missing pieces, arms and such.
> I just want to know where the Elites managed to get a fleet of ships. Both the pro-Arbiter side and pro-'Telcam side had very few ships to control, the pro-Arbiter side having the advantage. That said, for six years after the end of Halo 3 the Elites waged a war with the Covenant remnants controlled by the Prophets and Brutes. Then there was the fact that neither side without the Prophets, who disappeared, could fix or replace their ships.
Really that all depends on how they define “very few ships” because such a statement can actually be relative. How many ships did they have before? How many fleets did they have before?
> 5 years. Humans may have become A_Holes who thought Elites deserved to be Punished of some sort. In the books weren’t ONI people messing around with the Elites and Arbiter…
And yes, that is a valid point.
Who is to say it wasn’t the Humans that were bad and started a new war? As it is now the Elites have only talked about doing something to harm Humanity, Humanity in the form of ONI has done more then talk and is actually supplying the Arbiter’s enemies with weapons.
Also I don’t trust ONI to not use their new Spartan IVs against the Elite’s interests.
If it turns out that these “bad” Elites are the majority I want their hostility towards Humanity to be completely justified and not be the ones responsible for this renewed conflict.
> Glasslands clarifies absolutely nothing about the elites we’re fighting in Halo 4 outside of the fact that “some elites still want humans dead.”
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> It does not explain where a whole fleet of not just elites but the entire gamut of covenant species came from.
They have followed the Covenant for 1000’s of years, in less then a hand full it was destroyed. However the Halo’s are still out there, in fact the Profits are still out there, (Explained in Evolutions.)Brutes, and Grunts are out there, Jackals are loyal to anyone with money. They have fought for a few decades with humanity, massive war crimes on both sides. Hell war is all generations of them know, do you honestly think the destruction of High Charity, and the console leaders stopped it. No, that wouldn’t even be logical.
The elites that sided with humans, “fully”, were the sympathizers and warmongers. The religious ones and skeptics have always hated humans, skeptics: out of fear of humans regaining power with new technology and attacking elites out of revengeful motives, religious: Purely because, like the prophets we endanger their religion with our very existence, we’re living proof that the forerunners really aren’t gods and we are the closest to them than any other race will be.
Also, the more we find out about Forerunners the more we belittle their godlike status, which aggravates the Sangheili religious leaders, they are willing to mutilate people of their own race for speaking out against the Forerunners, let alone humans. This could be why some elites are back in the covenant, not under the prophets influence, which would explain the odd armor of the elites and grunts alike, but under their own directives, seeking to recover Forerunner artifacts to worship and possibly revers-engineer for the future improvement of their stagnating civilization, a stagnation that humans are having no problems with, what so ever.
> Not that I’m unhappy about it I was just wondering. They were good allies in H3 and now they decide to rebel again. I wonder how the Arbiter and that white Shipmaster guy ( Sorry I’m to lazy to remember what his name is) is gonna fit into all this.
War is really the only outcome now with the new personality that 343i gave the Elites recently. The two races have almost nothing in common and are opposites in the very way they think, so they can’t get on, and there is little incentive for them to tolerate each other. Elites prefer a head on approach and view anything else as cowardly and disgraceful, whilst Humans apparently like to utilize loopholes and tricks to solve a problem. There is also massive distrust between the two, widespread bitter hatred and unrelenting racism which I would imagine won’t go well in the face of all the dead the war created for both sides. This likely fueled isolationism and further stifled all hope of reconciliation and peace between the two; a cold war, that has probably just lead to continued hostilities. Also, things between the two species appear to have become personal now rather than being based on lies, so I don’t know how that could end.
Though I’m not sure what this means for Thel and Rtas, but all things considered I would not put it past 343i to actually kill them off in a book.
> > I just want to know where the Elites managed to get a fleet of ships. Both the pro-Arbiter side and pro-'Telcam side had very few ships to control, the pro-Arbiter side having the advantage. That said, for six years after the end of Halo 3 the Elites waged a war with the Covenant remnants controlled by the Prophets and Brutes. Then there was the fact that neither side without the Prophets, who disappeared, could fix or replace their ships.
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> Well its been a few years so I would imagine they built a ton of ships by then
Well, the Elites aren’t the best at building crap since the joined the Covenant.