Why am I Iron?

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http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/careerstats/playlists.aspx?player=LobsterJesus&vc=2

This is not me saying “oh im so good I should be in Onyx” because I know im okay at best, but Iron…let alone only top 55%? I should be Bronze at least considering i’ve seen people with way worse KD ratios and Win/Loss ratios than me who were Bronze and even Silver.

Is it just because my Win/Loss is low for the amount of games i’ve played (i’ve heard Arena is mostly dependent on winning games)? Then again I also started out fairly bad the first day cause I hadn’t played Reach in months and now im getting back into it and doing a lot better.

Also WOULD I be able to get bumped up to Bronze by playing more in this season? It just really irritates me how I can see worse players who have better division standings than me :/.

I’m asking for helpful replies as to why I might not be in a higher division not some Yoink! saying I suck.

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Also http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/playergamehistory.aspx?player=LobsterJesus&vc=2

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Division is only based on win/loss, so K/d means nothing.

That being said your win/ratio is below 50%. You haven’t played many games either, meaning you’ve lost the majority of your games to the lower ranked players.

You need to be winning at least more than half your games to move up in placement.

Yes you can move up in division throughout the season. As long as you win around 60% of your games.

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Thanks for the info. What I didn’t get though is i’ve seen people below a 50% win/loss ratio who were still in higher divisions. I guess i’ll just play more though. Would be nice to get some people to party up with since its kinda tough play Arena solo cause its easy to get paired up with people who just try and run and gun the whole game and cause a loss for the team haha…

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Because you are pro. Don’t you know? Iron division is pro.

Mad jelly for those who disagree.

In all seriouness: It’s all about wins/losses, not your overall k/d. If you lose alot with crap randoms (even the best can’t win with 3 other bad kids when going against an organized full team). You win many games, your division percentage will go down (I.E 40 percent iron to 80 percent bronze).

Also some players stop playing the Arena and their division takes a drop. This factors in with your own division. If you are consistent and do well, you will pass those players up too.

Lastly: If you beat those that are in a higher division and beat them, your percentage will go down or you may even go into a new division. I went from unrated to gold in season 8 (not bragging because that’s nothing but an example). You beat those who are unrated or lower than your division, it won’t go down as much, if at all.

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Better question:

Why are you surprised?

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> Better question:
>
> Why are you surprised?

> considering i’ve seen people with way worse KD ratios and Win/Loss ratios than me who were Bronze and even Silver.

thereyougo

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> Better question:
>
> Why are you surprised?

OP: its about w/l not rating or k/d. Try running with a team, I got 20% onyx last season with a k.d of about 1.5

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So if it IS only about W/L, what exactly is the point of the rating?

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Rating means absolutely nothing in terms of ranking. It just acts as a sort of gauge telling you how well you played in any given game.

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damn it, i typed up like 5 paragraphs and my computer gave me a middle finger.

long story short,

beat high ranking kids, go up high.

beat low ranking kids, barely go up.

lose to low ranking kids, go way down.

lose to high ranking kids, barely go down.

lose = get paired up with low rankers

win = get paired up with high rankers

success = win with a team

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The reason other players with worse W/L are higher can be due to one or several of these reasons:

  • Their losses were mainly to good players, so the system did not punish them as much
  • Their wins were mainly to good players, so they were rewarded more
  • They have played more games (ie. someone with 60% W/L and 100 games will be outranked by someone with 60% W/L and 200 games)

When people say “it’s entirely W/L,” they actually mean, “it’s entire W/L and who you play, with games played being the tie-breaker.” It’s just easier to say “W/L.”

If you are lower rank with better W/L then you are losing to worse opponents and only winning matches which you clearly are expected to anyway.

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I like the new system of w/l, because getting kills doesn’t mean that you are good and not getting alot of kills doesn’t mean you wern’t a vital link toi the team’s win.

E.G: call outs assists weapon trading etc…

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You may have left alot of games in this season of the arena.
I experimented alot in the previous seasons and 1 quit have the same effect as 2.75 losses.
I have also noticed that 1 betrayal is equal to 1.25 losses.

This may have something to do with your division.

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> its about w/l not rating or k/d. Try running with a team, I got 20% onyx last season with a k.d of about 1.5

I have to disagree with you there. I’m not saying w/l has nothing to do with it, but my friend have a 86.4% w/l (95/110) and a 1.3 k/d and he didn’t make onyx.

Seems to me it only matters if you play Arena games the majority of the season. I’ve won 18/22 and had a 1.65 k/d/a (about 1.4 k/d) and I was ranked 95% Gold. After that, I decided to not care about division standings so I just played with my bad friends after that.

I know making Gold is pretty decent, but with that type of record I feel Onyx was in order. Hard to believe that all Onyx players have a 2.0+ k/d and 90%+ w/l ratio.

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Arena doesn’t mean anything so why are you stressing over it?

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> > its about w/l not rating or k/d. Try running with a team, I got 20% onyx last season with a k.d of about 1.5
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> I have to disagree with you there. I’m not saying w/l has nothing to do with it, but my friend have a 86.4% w/l (95/110) and a 1.3 k/d and he didn’t make onyx.

I don’t believe you, post the GT.

> Seems to me it only matters if you play Arena games the majority of the season. I’ve won 18/22 and had a 1.65 k/d/a (about 1.4 k/d) and I was ranked 95% Gold. After that, I decided to not care about division standings so I just played with my bad friends after that.
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> I know making Gold is pretty decent, but with that type of record I feel Onyx was in order. Hard to believe that all Onyx players have a 2.0+ k/d and 90%+ w/l ratio.

You think you should be Onyx with only 22 games?? lol!

If that was the case, even bad players could go on a lucky streak, get Onyx and then hold it for the rest of the season even though they should be top silver or something.

If you’re only going to play that few games, you need more like 95% W/L and to play with others who are rated high. The more you play, the more accurate it is.

> You may have left alot of games in this season of the arena.
> I experimented alot in the previous seasons and 1 quit have the same effect as 2.75 losses.
> I have also noticed that 1 betrayal is equal to 1.25 losses.
>
> This may have something to do with your division.

Quitting doesn’t matter anymore.

The only reason it did anything before is because it was a FFA rating system, so if you quit, you were instantly put to the last place out of 8 players.

But now that it’s W/L, all that matters is if your team wins or not. If you quit and your team goes on to win the game 3v4, you will still be credited with a win, just like H3 (this is why you could get a colonel rank in H3 just from quitting SWAT games).

Also, betrayals don’t affect your rank at all.

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> > its about w/l not rating or k/d. Try running with a team, I got 20% onyx last season with a k.d of about 1.5
>
> I have to disagree with you there. I’m not saying w/l has nothing to do with it, but my friend have a 86.4% w/l (95/110) and a 1.3 k/d and he didn’t make onyx.
>
> Seems to me it only matters if you play Arena games the majority of the season. I’ve won 18/22 and had a 1.65 k/d/a (about 1.4 k/d) and I was ranked 95% Gold. After that, I decided to not care about division standings so I just played with my bad friends after that.
>
> I know making Gold is pretty decent, but with that type of record I feel Onyx was in order. Hard to believe that all Onyx players have a 2.0+ k/d and 90%+ w/l ratio.

look at my stats last season: about 65% wins and 1.6k/d in arena, I only got rated at the end of the season for about 12 days in a row in august and we ran shop. The games we lost were against 10%> onyx and they were marginal losses. Lucky for us, we ONLY got paired up with onyx kids, and after the vicious stompings we ranked up to the land of the forerunners.
When I first got rated (end of day 5) I was put in 80% gold, but eventually I cleared that all the way to 20% onyx.
also I forgot to mention ths:
you have only played 22 games. It doesnt matter if you had 100% win/loss, you need to play more to get rated.
Like I mentioned above I had around 75/110 last season and that was 20% onyx, given I was trashing 5% kids. Reach origially assigned me 80% gold.

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> Arena doesn’t mean anything so why are you stressing over it?

means more than the ranking system or any of the other playlists (besides mlg) do. I would consider that a pretty large margin of meaning.
It also means more than k/d, w/l, or bpr, because people boost grifball and living dead.

Personally I think the game should only track ranked stats, social slayer is practice, like a custom game.

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> > > its about w/l not rating or k/d. Try running with a team, I got 20% onyx last season with a k.d of about 1.5
> >
> > I have to disagree with you there. I’m not saying w/l has nothing to do with it, but my friend have a 86.4% w/l (95/110) and a 1.3 k/d and he didn’t make onyx.
> >
> > Seems to me it only matters if you play Arena games the majority of the season. I’ve won 18/22 and had a 1.65 k/d/a (about 1.4 k/d) and I was ranked 95% Gold. After that, I decided to not care about division standings so I just played with my bad friends after that.
> >
> > I know making Gold is pretty decent, but with that type of record I feel Onyx was in order. Hard to believe that all Onyx players have a 2.0+ k/d and 90%+ w/l ratio.
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> he forerunners.
> When I first got rated (end of day 5) I was put in 80% gold, but eventually I cleared that all the way to 20% onyx.
> also I forgot to mention ths:
> you have only played 22 games. It doesnt matter if you had 100% win/loss, you need to play more to get rated.
> Like I mentioned above I had around 75/110 last season and that was 20% onyx, given I was trashing 5% kids. Reach origially assigned me 80% gold.
>
> look at my stats last season: about 65% wins and 1.6k/d in arena, I only got rated at the end of the season for about 12 days in a row in august and we ran shop. The games we lost were against 10%> onyx and they were marginal losses. Lucky for us, we ONLY got paired up with onyx kids, and after the vicious stompings we ranked up to the land of t

kk.

I wish they just brought the old ranks back. It made more sense IMO.

Sometimes I don’t have time to play 150 Arena games in one season.

So, it seems like I’ll always get a lower rank in it, just because I don’t have time.