I don’t like how I’ve been forced into being a spartan for the remainder of halo 4 and having to look at spartans doing facebook/myspace poses.
Makes me feel like im being forced to wear diamond and obey clothing due to it being spartan only.
Well its either Spartans or Terrorists.
Well, since 343 thinks its impossible to do UNSC-Elite joint operations, your stuck with a Spartan. But you have tons or armor to dress up with.
> Well, since 343 thinks its impossible to do UNSC-Elite joint operations, your stuck with a Spartan. But you have tons or armor to dress up with.
I’m pretty sure it doesn’t fit in with the story. War games are just simulations on the infinity ship. If I saw an Elite there I’d be kind of worried…
Well grab and comfy seat and your favorite beverage, because it is a complex tale.
You see 343i were in a bit of a bind in terms of enemies in Halo 4. Sure the Prometheans were a nifty new addition, but couldn’t carry the game. So they decided “Hey let’s bring back the Covenant!”. Well the problem with that is that the Covenant was pretty much defeated in Halo 3 with the Elites and humanity at peace, or at the very least no longer wanting to kill one another.
WELL…343i decided to throw all of that away. All those Elites who respected humanity? Gone. All the Elite youth who grew to sympathize with humanity and could change the political climate of the Elites? Gone. Instead of all the lessons learned in the Great Schism and their faith being revealed as a lie, 343i scrapped that and made the Elites in general unyielding religious zealots who still want to kill humans. Why? Just because. Really, that is the best answer.
So with evil Elites being brought back into the limelight while ignoring all the development that happened in the previous Halo games and novels, it was easy to make the Elites the bad guys again. Turn the Halo multiplayer into a canonical Spartan training excersise and there you go, no Elites allowed. Which is a shame because joint UNSC-Elite operations would’ve been a great way to propel the story further. Instead it comes right back to where Halo started, “Shoot evil aliens because they are evil”.
> > Well, since 343 thinks its impossible to do UNSC-Elite joint operations, your stuck with a Spartan. But you have tons or armor to dress up with.
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> I’m pretty sure it doesn’t fit in with the story. War games are just simulations on the infinity ship. If I saw an Elite there I’d be kind of worried…
Some Elites actually appreciate and like Humanity. And some humans respect the Elites. The only possible reason for them being held back is because of Sangheilios’s Civil War. No confirmation if by Halo 4, the war is over or not.
As much as I miss my Sangheli buddies. No one really liked Elites, I would get kicked out of games and lobbies in Halo 2 and 3 just because I picked an Elite. I think maybe they’ll return but these forums are small in comparison to how many people like or dislike the elites.
P.S. I would like to see the Elites do Myspace/Facebook poses. As long as it isn’t something ridiculous like #Killing Spartans #Halo #Didact’s Hand #Plasma Rifle #Requiem
> Some Elites actually appreciate and like Humanity. And some humans respect the Elites. The only possible reason for them being held back is because of Sangheilios’s Civil War. No confirmation if by Halo 4, the war is over or not.
True, but I don’t believe we’re facing the same group of Elites or Covenant. You could prove every religion today wrong by showing the face of some deity, and people would still believe in their religion.
If what I’ve gathered these Covenant are the ones who still believe in their religion. There very well could be Elites that respect and would work with UNSC, but that doesn’t mean all.
Same way it’s in real life. There are states that allow gay marriage, but not everyone agrees with it.
Also Sarah Palmer seems pretty prejudice against all Covenant.
> > Some Elites actually appreciate and like Humanity. And some humans respect the Elites. The only possible reason for them being held back is because of Sangheilios’s Civil War. No confirmation if by Halo 4, the war is over or not.
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> True, but I don’t believe we’re facing the same group of Elites or Covenant. You could prove every religion today wrong by showing the face of some deity, and people would still believe in their religion.
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> If what I’ve gathered these Covenant are the ones who still believe in their religion. There very well could be Elites that respect and would work with UNSC, but that doesn’t mean all.
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> Same way it’s in real life. There are states that allow gay marriage, but not everyone agrees with it.
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> <mark>Also Sarah Palmer seems pretty prejudice against all Covenant.</mark>
Her hatred is actually valid, unlike the Covenant. The Covenant committed genocide for over 20 years against humans, humans didn’t do the same to the Covenant. Closest they ever came was ONI’s plan to poison Sanghelios…but that apparently didn’t happen.
> Well grab and comfy seat and your favorite beverage, because it is a complex tale.
>
> You see 343i were in a bit of a bind in terms of enemies in Halo 4. Sure the Prometheans were a nifty new addition, but couldn’t carry the game. So they decided “Hey let’s bring back the Covenant!”. Well the problem with that is that the Covenant was pretty much defeated in Halo 3 with the Elites and humanity at peace, or at the very least no longer wanting to kill one another.
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> WELL…343i decided to throw all of that away. All those Elites who respected humanity? Gone. All the Elite youth who grew to sympathize with humanity and could change the political climate of the Elites? Gone. Instead of all the lessons learned in the Great Schism and their faith being revealed as a lie, 343i scrapped that and made the Elites in general unyielding religious zealots who still want to kill humans. Why? Just because. Really, that is the best answer.
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> So with evil Elites being brought back into the limelight while ignoring all the development that happened in the previous Halo games and novels, it was easy to make the Elites the bad guys again. Turn the Halo multiplayer into a canonical Spartan training excersise and there you go, no Elites allowed. Which is a shame because joint UNSC-Elite operations would’ve been a great way to propel the story further. Instead it comes right back to where Halo started, “Shoot evil aliens because they are evil”.
To think that the UNSC and Sangheili/Covenant governments/forces/etc… would be buddy-buddy for the rest of time when the Arbiter and the Separatists allied themselves with the UNSC is just naive.
Even after the Cold War, and even to this day, the relationship between the United States of America and Russia/the former Soviet Union is strained.
If you bothered to even read “Halo: Glasslands” you would find out that there are Sangheili who are sympathetic towards humanity, but there are still those who view humanity as a parasite and a blight on the galaxy and that they deserve to be whipped out. Sound familiar? Even in modern times there are religious and political extremists that share these views.
The reason why we can’t play as Elites in Halo 4 multiplayer is because it doesn’t fit into the narrative of the story. Multiplayer has canonical relations now. It wouldn’t make sense to be able to play as Elites when War Games is Spartan training on board the Infinity.
Might we be able to play as Elites again in future installments? That’s up to 343 to decide. But it’s not like Elites were loved that much in Halo 3 and Halo: Reach. Halo 3 maybe more so, but when they were given actual different stats compared to Spartans in Halo: Reach, they were rarely used outside of Invasion.
> Well grab and comfy seat and your favorite beverage, because it is a complex tale.
>
> You see 343i were in a bit of a bind in terms of enemies in Halo 4. Sure the Prometheans were a nifty new addition, but couldn’t carry the game. So they decided “Hey let’s bring back the Covenant!”. Well the problem with that is that the Covenant was pretty much defeated in Halo 3 with the Elites and humanity at peace, or at the very least no longer wanting to kill one another.
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> WELL…343i decided to throw all of that away. All those Elites who respected humanity? Gone. All the Elite youth who grew to sympathize with humanity and could change the political climate of the Elites? Gone. Instead of all the lessons learned in the Great Schism and their faith being revealed as a lie, 343i scrapped that and made the Elites in general unyielding religious zealots who still want to kill humans. Why? Just because. Really, that is the best answer.
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> So with evil Elites being brought back into the limelight while ignoring all the development that happened in the previous Halo games and novels, it was easy to make the Elites the bad guys again. Turn the Halo multiplayer into a canonical Spartan training excersise and there you go, no Elites allowed. Which is a shame because joint UNSC-Elite operations would’ve been a great way to propel the story further. Instead it comes right back to where Halo started, “Shoot evil aliens because they are evil”.
The covenant we faced in Halo 4 are part of a different faction of Elite’s that split from the group that made peace with Humans in Halo 3. The Elites you speak of from Halo 3 still do exist, but they were not the one’s we were facing in Halo 4, the one’s from Halo 4 are part of a faction known as the Storm and they did not side with the Arbiter to be peaceful with the Humans, they stuck to their old ways and still believe Forerunners to be their god’s and so they viewed Master Chief being near one of their god’s as a threat and an insult to their religion, blasphemy if you will. So the reason we’re fighting Elites in Halo 4 is because they’re part of this Storm faction who views the Didact as a god and the fact Master Chief was near the Didact was enough to make the Storm feel threatened by Master Chief and so they attacked him in an effort to make sure he didn’t get near the Didact, since in their view that would be a huge insult to their religion.
Granted, this was never explained in Halo 4 so at face value it is as you described. 343i didn’t take the time to explain these Elites background so as far as we know without doing any additional research these Elites are the same Elites we’ve been facing all along, even though that’s not the case.
> To think that the UNSC and Sangheili/Covenant governments/forces/etc… would be buddy-buddy for the rest of time when the Arbiter and the Separatists allied themselves with the UNSC is just naive.
When I mean at peace, I don’t mean “buddy-buddy”, I mean just not killing each other. To imply tensions would vanish overnight is dumb. Yet, the books seem to imply a vast majority of the Elites just hate humans despite their reasons for hating them no longer exist.
> Even after the Cold War, and even to this day, the relationship between the United States of America and Russia/the former Soviet Union is strained.
True.
> If you bothered to even read “Halo: Glasslands” you would find out that there are Sangheili who are sympathetic towards humanity, but there are still those who view humanity as a parasite and a blight on the galaxy and that they deserve to be whipped out. Sound familiar? Even in modern times there are religious and political extremists that share these views.
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I did read Glasslands, didn’t think it was that good. But you keep assuming.
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The sympathizers are minor at best, non-existent at worst. Even some in the Arbiters court would love nothing more than putting down humanity, Levu 'Mdama being one. So I ask where are the sympathizers at? They no longer seem to exist.
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Religious extremists tend to be a violent minority, the majority of the population seem to share the views of the extremists however and support them. Remember in Thursday War when nobody came to the Arbiters aid and massive riots ensued amongst the population and aid for 'Telcam occurred when humans were spotted on Sanghelios?
> The reason why we can’t play as Elites in Halo 4 multiplayer is because it doesn’t fit into the narrative of the story. Multiplayer has canonical relations now. It wouldn’t make sense to be able to play as Elites when War Games is Spartan training on board the Infinity.
And such a narrative is bunk and incredibly lazy in the grand scheme of things.
> Might we be able to play as Elites again in future installments? That’s up to 343 to decide. <mark>But it’s not like Elites were loved that much in Halo 3 and Halo: Reach.</mark> Halo 3 maybe more so, but when they were given actual different stats compared to Spartans in Halo: Reach, they were rarely used outside of Invasion.
That massive thread in the General Discussion section says otherwise.
> > Well grab and comfy seat and your favorite beverage, because it is a complex tale.
> >
> > You see 343i were in a bit of a bind in terms of enemies in Halo 4. Sure the Prometheans were a nifty new addition, but couldn’t carry the game. So they decided “Hey let’s bring back the Covenant!”. Well the problem with that is that the Covenant was pretty much defeated in Halo 3 with the Elites and humanity at peace, or at the very least no longer wanting to kill one another.
> >
> > WELL…343i decided to throw all of that away. All those Elites who respected humanity? Gone. All the Elite youth who grew to sympathize with humanity and could change the political climate of the Elites? Gone. Instead of all the lessons learned in the Great Schism and their faith being revealed as a lie, 343i scrapped that and made the Elites in general unyielding religious zealots who still want to kill humans. Why? Just because. Really, that is the best answer.
> >
> > So with evil Elites being brought back into the limelight while ignoring all the development that happened in the previous Halo games and novels, it was easy to make the Elites the bad guys again. Turn the Halo multiplayer into a canonical Spartan training excersise and there you go, no Elites allowed. Which is a shame because joint UNSC-Elite operations would’ve been a great way to propel the story further. Instead it comes right back to where Halo started, “Shoot evil aliens because they are evil”.
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> To think that the UNSC and Sangheili/Covenant governments/forces/etc… would be buddy-buddy for the rest of time when the Arbiter and the Separatists allied themselves with the UNSC is just naive.
> Even after the Cold War, and even to this day, the relationship between the United States of America and Russia/the former Soviet Union is strained.
> If you bothered to even read “Halo: Glasslands” you would find out that there are Sangheili who are sympathetic towards humanity, but there are still those who view humanity as a parasite and a blight on the galaxy and that they deserve to be whipped out. Sound familiar? Even in modern times there are religious and political extremists that share these views.
> <mark>The reason why we can’t play as Elites in Halo 4 multiplayer is because it doesn’t fit into the narrative of the story. Multiplayer has canonical relations now. It wouldn’t make sense to be able to play as Elites when War Games is Spartan training on board the Infinity.</mark>
> Might we be able to play as Elites again in future installments? That’s up to 343 to decide. But it’s not like Elites were loved that much in Halo 3 and Halo: Reach. Halo 3 maybe more so, but when they were given actual different stats compared to Spartans in Halo: Reach, they were rarely used outside of Invasion.
The way I see it everything that takes place on the War Games combat deck is a simulation training exercise. So given that I don’t see why it isn’t reasonable that Elite’s can’t become part of the training exercises, not actual Elites mind you, but Elites that are just virtually created by the Infinty’s combat deck.
So basically what I would propose is that 343i introduces a playlist that has to deal with Spartan IV’s training to fight Elites. It should be set up so that technically in this playlist you’re still a Spartan IV, but the Infinity’s simulator on the War Games deck makes you look like an Elite for a training exercise.
Anyone? Anyone? I think it would be cool, plus it would still work with Halo 4’s War Games canon.
> > Well grab and comfy seat and your favorite beverage, because it is a complex tale.
> >
> > You see 343i were in a bit of a bind in terms of enemies in Halo 4. Sure the Prometheans were a nifty new addition, but couldn’t carry the game. So they decided “Hey let’s bring back the Covenant!”. Well the problem with that is that the Covenant was pretty much defeated in Halo 3 with the Elites and humanity at peace, or at the very least no longer wanting to kill one another.
> >
> > WELL…343i decided to throw all of that away. All those Elites who respected humanity? Gone. All the Elite youth who grew to sympathize with humanity and could change the political climate of the Elites? Gone. Instead of all the lessons learned in the Great Schism and their faith being revealed as a lie, 343i scrapped that and made the Elites in general unyielding religious zealots who still want to kill humans. Why? Just because. Really, that is the best answer.
> >
> > So with evil Elites being brought back into the limelight while ignoring all the development that happened in the previous Halo games and novels, it was easy to make the Elites the bad guys again. Turn the Halo multiplayer into a canonical Spartan training excersise and there you go, no Elites allowed. Which is a shame because joint UNSC-Elite operations would’ve been a great way to propel the story further. Instead it comes right back to where Halo started, “Shoot evil aliens because they are evil”.
>
> The covenant we faced in Halo 4 are part of a different faction of Elite’s that split from the group that made peace with Humans in Halo 3. The Elites you speak of from Halo 3 still do exist, but they were not the one’s we were facing in Halo 4, the one’s from Halo 4 are part of a faction known as the Storm and they did not side with the Arbiter to be peaceful with the Humans, they stuck to their old ways and still believe Forerunners to be their god’s and so they viewed Master Chief being near one of their god’s as a threat and an insult to their religion, blasphemy if you will. So the reason we’re fighting Elites in Halo 4 is because they’re part of this Storm faction who views the Didact as a god and the fact Master Chief was near the Didact was enough to make the Storm feel threatened by Master Chief and so they attacked him in an effort to make sure he didn’t get near the Didact, since in their view that would be a huge insult to their religion.
>
> Granted, this was never explained in Halo 4 so at face value it is as you described. 343i didn’t take the time to explain these Elites background so as far as we know without doing any additional research these Elites are the same Elites we’ve been facing all along, even though that’s not the case.
Yeah…
I already knew all of this and yet it doesn’t change anything. All of that was still possible because 343i turned the Elites from noble warriors to frothing religious zealots who just want to kill humans.
> > > Well grab and comfy seat and your favorite beverage, because it is a complex tale.
> > >
> > > You see 343i were in a bit of a bind in terms of enemies in Halo 4. Sure the Prometheans were a nifty new addition, but couldn’t carry the game. So they decided “Hey let’s bring back the Covenant!”. Well the problem with that is that the Covenant was pretty much defeated in Halo 3 with the Elites and humanity at peace, or at the very least no longer wanting to kill one another.
> > >
> > > WELL…343i decided to throw all of that away. All those Elites who respected humanity? Gone. All the Elite youth who grew to sympathize with humanity and could change the political climate of the Elites? Gone. Instead of all the lessons learned in the Great Schism and their faith being revealed as a lie, 343i scrapped that and made the Elites in general unyielding religious zealots who still want to kill humans. Why? Just because. Really, that is the best answer.
> > >
> > > So with evil Elites being brought back into the limelight while ignoring all the development that happened in the previous Halo games and novels, it was easy to make the Elites the bad guys again. Turn the Halo multiplayer into a canonical Spartan training excersise and there you go, no Elites allowed. Which is a shame because joint UNSC-Elite operations would’ve been a great way to propel the story further. Instead it comes right back to where Halo started, “Shoot evil aliens because they are evil”.
> >
> > The covenant we faced in Halo 4 are part of a different faction of Elite’s that split from the group that made peace with Humans in Halo 3. The Elites you speak of from Halo 3 still do exist, but they were not the one’s we were facing in Halo 4, the one’s from Halo 4 are part of a faction known as the Storm and they did not side with the Arbiter to be peaceful with the Humans, they stuck to their old ways and still believe Forerunners to be their god’s and so they viewed Master Chief being near one of their god’s as a threat and an insult to their religion, blasphemy if you will. So the reason we’re fighting Elites in Halo 4 is because they’re part of this Storm faction who views the Didact as a god and the fact Master Chief was near the Didact was enough to make the Storm feel threatened by Master Chief and so they attacked him in an effort to make sure he didn’t get near the Didact, since in their view that would be a huge insult to their religion.
> >
> > Granted, this was never explained in Halo 4 so at face value it is as you described. 343i didn’t take the time to explain these Elites background so as far as we know without doing any additional research these Elites are the same Elites we’ve been facing all along, even though that’s not the case.
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> Yeah…
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> I already knew all of this and yet it doesn’t change anything. All of that was still possible because 343i turned the Elites from noble warriors to frothing religious zealots who just want to kill humans.
They turned SOME of the Elites into frothing zealots who just want to kill humans, but there are apparently still some of the noble warrior Elites from Halo 3, we’ve just not seen or heard from them yet. From what I know the Halo 3 Elites that are friendly towards us are on their home planet fighting a civil war of some sort, from what I’ve read of your post you know more of the lore than I do so I probably don’t need to tell you all of this.
For me at least, I was aware of the background of the Elites in Halo 4 so I didn’t have a problem with their being in Halo 4 and I somewhat understood their reasons for being on Requiem. I still disliked that in the game itself we never got a good explanation for their motives. In conclusion, I see where you’re coming from and I can understand why you have a problem with Elites in Halo 4. I too would like to have seen a better explanation of what is going on with the Elites in Halo 4. It would have been nice to been brought up to speed at some point in the game as to why the Elites are hostile towards us still even though we had a truce with them in Halo 3.
They should have explained it while Chief was on the Infinity. Chief should have got onboard the ship and walked up to Lasky and been like “WTF, Lasky, why are the Elites trying to kill me again?” Then Lasky should have explained why they were being -Yoinks!- again. That would have saved a lot of confusion.
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What? This has been explained already you idiots.
Jul M’dama found a covenant planet with religious zealots who still believe in the great journey. They’re just more feral. That’s it. Big Whoop.
> > Well, since 343 thinks its impossible to do UNSC-Elite joint operations, your stuck with a Spartan. But you have tons or armor to dress up with.
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> I’m pretty sure it doesn’t fit in with the story. War games are just simulations on the infinity ship. If I saw an Elite there I’d be kind of worried…
That doesn’t account for the flood then.
OP asked:“Why am I forced to be a spartan on halo4?”
Answer: Simply beacause of Sarah Palmer.
> They turned SOME of the Elites into frothing zealots who just want to kill humans, but there are apparently still some of the noble warrior Elites from Halo 3, we’ve just not seen or heard from them yet. From what I know the Halo 3 Elites that are friendly towards us are on their home planet fighting a civil war of some sort, from what I’ve read of your post you know more of the lore than I do so I probably don’t need to tell you all of this.
And there in lies the problem. It really isn’t SOME of the Elites. Literally nobody comes to help the Arbiter when he needs it, in fact other Keeps come to the aid of the rebels. The Arbiter is nearly deposed and only the aid of the Infinity saves his skin. Also, isn’t that a problem with the novels that “good” Elites have yet to be shown? We are two novels in a probably three novel series by Karen Traviss and nothing has really been shown for the Elites who don’t hate humans.
> For me at least, I was aware of the background of the Elites in Halo 4 so I didn’t have a problem with their being in Halo 4 and I somewhat understood their reasons for being on Requiem. I still disliked that in the game itself we never got a good explanation for their motives. In conclusion, I see where you’re coming from and I can understand why you have a problem with Elites in Halo 4. I too would like to have seen a better explanation of what is going on with the Elites in Halo 4. It would have been nice to been brought up to speed at some point in the game as to why the Elites are hostile towards us still even though we had a truce with them in Halo 3.
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> They should have explained it while Chief was on the Infinity. Chief should have got onboard the ship and walked up to Lasky and been like “WTF, Lasky, why are the Elites trying to kill me again?” Then Lasky should have explained why they were being -Yoinks!- again. That would have saved a lot of confusion.
343i hates explaining things in game from what I see, so it would’ve been nice, but against their way of telling stories.
> I’m pretty sure it doesn’t fit in with the story. War games are just simulations on the infinity ship. If I saw an Elite there I’d be kind of worried…
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“…Well this is awkward.”