Why all this hate for halo 4?

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I’ve looked at a couple different forums, and talked to some people online - and the first thing I hear/read is: 343 is turning Halo4 into CoD.

If this is the highlight of your argument, you shouldn’t deserve an opinion. If you’ve actually sat down and played Call of Duty, you would know that Halo 4 won’t be that. And, if you haven’t - then you shouldn’t even be talking about CoD.

I just wanted to get my thoughts on everything out (it’s a bit of a rant too, sorry)

Sprinting: It’s now an action everyone can do. I think this is wonderful. We’re super-soldiers. We should absolutely be able to sprint.

Armor Abilities: Myself personally, I’ve never had a problem with ANY of the armor abilities in Reach. It seems a lot of people think that Forerunner vision is going to give you some magical powers that let you see through the entire map. It will obviously be balanced, quit assuming 343 is going to throw things into the game that will break it.

Custom Loadouts: I know 343 has confirmed that primary and secondary weapons will be customizable, but if I have to listen to one more person say “Everyone’s going to spawn with rocket launcher, and it’s gonna suck”, I’m going freak out. I’m assuming if we can choose our starting weapon, it’ll be things like: AR, SMG, or Spiker. Things that are all balanced, but for different play styles. Why in gods name would 343 let the rocket launcher be a weapon you can spawn with?

Instant Respawns: It seems like everyone’s afraid that when you kill someone, they’re going to spawn three feet away and kill you. Think about the kinds of maps we’ve seen in Halo games. It’s either close quarter combat (lots of hallways and small rooms), or big open spaces. If you’re in CQC, your shields will be back before someone gets back to you. And, if you’re in a big open space - chances are you have MULTIPLE enemies looking at you - and you shouldn’t worrying about that one guy you killed.

Random Power Weapon Spawns: I know a BIG part of Halo is knowing the maps. But giving the best players (or whichever team spawns closest) the best weapons every two minutes isn’t exactly fair. This way it allows for everyone to have a fair chance of coming across the power weapons.

Join In-progress-: To be honest, this is the only thing that kind of worries me. No one quits from a winning game. So the chances are if you are put into an in-progress game, you’ll be losing. Hopefully 343 realizes this, and makes it so only people on your friends list can join mid-progress, and not toss in anyone who’s searching for a game. I dunno. We’ll just have to wait and see how they decide to work it.

Well. These are my views on everything. It pretty much all boils down to “Relax your pants. 343 knows what they’re doing. They’re not going to ruin Halo, or turn it into CoD, or anything terrible. Just relax.”

(I apologize if there’s any part of this that doesn’t make sense. It’s 1AM, and I’m tired. I just needed to vent. If anyone else would like to debate or anything - I’ll be back in the morning to check. I WELCOME the conversation. See ya guys!)

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I love you.

I thought I was alone. . . . .

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One of the biggest reasons is that the Game Informer article gave next-to-no details on any of the new features in the game,causing alot of players to assume that much of what made Halo is being thrown out the window, and that the devs are making a Call of Halo: Spartan Warfare rip-off.

The article was very uninformative: They didn’t tell what AAs made it in, what the modifications are used for, what grenades we could select, and what weapons are we limited to. Add misleading words such as “Random Power Weapon drops” and you got yourself a recipe for a mess that needs to be cleaned up.

Though the guys at 343i clarified what they meant through the April 17th SparkCast, and Frankie’s posts on NeoGaf, there is still need of clarity. Either they chose not to look at one of the stickied posts that contains information as to what news is released, or just simply blinded with rage at the sight of many of the new features and the tweaks they have made to existing gameplay.

To be honest, some have a point. I don’t like the idea of Instant Respawn on any gametype for instance. I feel that takes away the player responsibility, and removes any “punishment” for making bad choices. I honestly hope this feature does not survive for their sake. But it is my opinion. They can take it or leave it.

If they really don’t have much of an argument, or just feel like bashing others, report and move on. If they feel like it is derrived from lack of info, help them out by pointing them to the stickied posts or the April SparkCast. From many of the stuff that is going on, it shows that 343 is listening in on what we’re talking about.

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> I’ve looked at a couple different forums, and talked to some people online - and the first thing I hear/read is: 343 is turning Halo4 into CoD.
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> If this is the highlight of your argument, you shouldn’t deserve an opinion. If you’ve actually sat down and played Call of Duty, you would know that Halo 4 won’t be that. And, if you haven’t - then you shouldn’t even be talking about CoD.
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> I just wanted to get my thoughts on everything out (it’s a bit of a rant too, sorry)

Don’t bother trying to disable opinion. For one thing, it won’t work. For another, the forums are meant to be a chatterbox. What we should instead be asking people to do is adjust the cadence of their opinions, and perhaps refine them.

> Sprinting

I agree. Actually, my hope is that we eventually get the full spartan experience. There are a lot of aspects depicted in other media that aren’t present in the games. For instance, Chief is trained in hand-to-hand combat and can be whisper quiet, even in his armour. So yeah, anything that evokes the super soldier powers of the books.

> Armor Abilities

I don’t think balance has ever stuck in my mind as a concern, even in Reach. Balance is easy, relative to fun. Armour abilities in Reach, in some cases, were not fun. 343 seems to know which ones were fun – jetpack, sprint, and evade. Mobility is fun.

> Custom Loadouts

It’s the strangest thing, because this was all said back before Reach was released. There was even a huge stink about the grenade launcher, back when it was first announced. People started early in calling it the “noob tube,” and it was one of the sandbox designers that called it the “pro pipe.” Anyway, people were worried about starting with these kinds of weapons. And it worked out fine. To not trust 343 to at least balance the game seems silly.

> Instant Respawns

It’s curious how deliberately ignorant people can seem. I prefer to think that they make these accusations out of worry that if they’re right, something they love is ruined. Sort of a Murphy’s Law complex. Plus, some people just like getting up in arms about stuff. Makes 'em feel like they’re doing something. Nothing wrong with that.

> Random Power Weapon Spawns

It’s more complicated than that, though. Knowledgeable players that aren’t the straightest shooters can come to rely on that edge to give them a winning shot. Like camping, it was a tactic manifest out of necessity. But this concept means there’s space for innovation of strategy, and it’s not like there’s any other reason to dislike it than “I’m used to the old way.”

> Join In-progress-

Halo games reach a twilight era after a year or two, where it’s pretty likely that one or two people will quit out of a match. Those are the points at which join-in-progress would be ideal. I wonder if this is meant to replace quit penalties?

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Why all the hate…

Have you been reading or seeing the same videos us veteran fans have been watching?

(And when I say Veteran. I don’t mean “played Halo Reach multiplayer from the beginning”. I have played every multiplayer and every campaign. I have every achievement apart from 1(Wars General on Xbox live) from the entire Halo series. Since 2001.)

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> Why all the hate…
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> Have you been reading or seeing the same videos us veteran fans have been watching?
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> (And when I say Veteran. I don’t mean “played Halo Reach multiplayer from the beginning”. I have played every multiplayer and every campaign. I have every achievement apart from 1(Wars General on Xbox live) from the entire Halo series. Since 2001.)

Please elaborate.

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> I love you.
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> I thought I was alone. . . . .

I love you too. Marry me?

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> > Why all the hate…
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> > Have you been reading or seeing the same videos us veteran fans have been watching?
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> > (And when I say Veteran. I don’t mean “played Halo Reach multiplayer from the beginning”. I have played every multiplayer and every campaign. I have every achievement apart from 1(Wars General on Xbox live) from the entire Halo series. Since 2001.)
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> Please elaborate.

If there is a group of people that are all excited for Halo4, and all discussing everything we’ve seen - sign me up. All I’ve seen is people getting angry.

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Yep, and all these things are going in the direction of COD.

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> > > Why all the hate…
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> > > Have you been reading or seeing the same videos us veteran fans have been watching?
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> > > (And when I say Veteran. I don’t mean “played Halo Reach multiplayer from the beginning”. I have played every multiplayer and every campaign. I have every achievement apart from 1(Wars General on Xbox live) from the entire Halo series. Since 2001.)
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> > Please elaborate.
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> If there is a group of people that are all excited for Halo4, and all discussing everything we’ve seen - sign me up. All I’ve seen is people getting angry.

Those don’t last on this forum. When everyone agrees to something, there isn’t a discussion. It ends and drowns in the abyss that is page 3 and beyond.

When you have opposing viewpoints, there’s discussion. That’s what makes them float.

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> Yep, and all these things are going in the direction of COD.

Really? I thought the game is getting ideas from Gears of War 3.

We got a speed-decrease while sprinting if we get shot, just like GoW3 did.

We’re selecting base weapons, armor abilities, and grenades that don’t instant kill based on preferences, mostly like how GoW 3 does it.

We’re fighting over power weapons, just like GoW 3 does it.

Though GoW 3 doesn’t have this feature, we now have multiple possible, predictable spawn locations for a power weapon to drop instead of one for the sake of getting people to move .

Really…where does any of the new features point towards Call of Duty? When comparing them, I really don’t see how the features with their description fit towards Call of Duty in any form. Please elaborate as to why the game is looking to be a game that acts nowhere near this one? Please refer to the stickies near the top of the Halo 4 forum if you really are lost.

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People have nothing better to do then to come to a forum and complain about the changes and additions being made to the game, complaining is not going to remove anything if you don’t like what you hear and see don’t buy the game and don’t post here because it doesn’t make sense to complain about a game you’re not getting…

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I would consider myself in the group of those people who have played halo since 2001 and really I have faith in that 343i is knowing what they are doing to halo 4.

The problem is that there the Cod fan that think they know halo but only played halo reach when in fact they really don’t know what this team is capable of, 343i is made up of a lot of ex-bungie member in which they want the game to progress.

I consider that the people are afraid of change that’s why but really sometimes changes are good and this particular change is gonna benefits all of us.

Now what I dont like what they are doing is the instant spawn… In my opinion I think that waiting 3 sec spawn is a better feature then “just press x to respawn”

Hopefully everything goes well and we can have halo to be one of the top games.

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> > I love you.
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> > I thought I was alone. . . . .
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> I love you too. Marry me?

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> People have nothing better to do then to come to a forum and complain about the changes and additions being made to the game, complaining is not going to remove anything if you don’t like what you hear and see don’t buy the game and don’t post here because it doesn’t make sense to complain about a game you’re not getting…

Your post makes no sense whatsoever. Please leave.

Don’t buy the game if you don’t like what you see and hear? The whole point of the forum is to discuss what we don’t like or like in the game.

And coming from a player who’s been with this franchise ever since day 1. I believe I have every right to complain about some random company making so many changes that it won’t feel like the game I put in more hours you can comprehend as well as thousands in products, collectables and over seas shows which were only available in the US. So excuse the few of us who want this game to be like it was when we first fell in love with it. And if you’re going to post, please make sense. Or a sensible point. Because you’re just going to piss off alot of people.

Can’t believe I let me ice cream melt a little for you.

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> > People have nothing better to do then to come to a forum and complain about the changes and additions being made to the game, complaining is not going to remove anything if you don’t like what you hear and see don’t buy the game and don’t post here because it doesn’t make sense to complain about a game you’re not getting…
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> Your post makes no sense whatsoever. Please leave.
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> Don’t buy the game if you don’t like what you see and hear? The whole point of the forum is to discuss what we don’t like or like in the game.
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> And coming from a player who’s been with this franchise ever since day 1. I believe I have every right to complain about some random company making so many changes that it won’t feel like the game I put in more hours you can comprehend as well as thousands in products, collectables and over seas shows which were only available in the US. So excuse the few of us who want this game to be like it was when we first fell in love with it. And if you’re going to post, please make sense. Or a sensible point. Because you’re just going to piss off alot of people.
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> Can’t believe I let me ice cream melt a little for you.

343 is not going to delay the game to make drastic changes what you hear now WILL be in the game, and since most “classic” fans like yourself don’t like what you’re hear/seeing and are strongly against it why buy it? like it doesn’t make sense to me. My question to you is are YOU going to buy it if not what’s the point of being here like i don’t get it.

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> I would consider myself in the group of those people who have played halo since 2001 and really I have faith in that 343i is knowing what they are doing to halo 4.
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> The problem is that there the Cod fan that think they know halo but only played halo reach when in fact they really don’t know what this team is capable of, 343i is made up of a lot of ex-bungie member in which they want the game to progress.
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> I consider that the people are afraid of change that’s why but really sometimes changes are good and this particular change is gonna benefits all of us.
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> Now what I dont like what they are doing is the instant spawn… In my opinion I think that waiting 3 sec spawn is a better feature then “just press x to respawn”
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> Hopefully everything goes well and we can have halo to be one of the top games.

I know where you’re coming from. But I don’t like Chief having new armour. Yet he has the damage from when he fell to Earth still on his chest plate. It’s like they know a different version to Canon then what we do.

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> > I would consider myself in the group of those people who have played halo since 2001 and really I have faith in that 343i is knowing what they are doing to halo 4.
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> > The problem is that there the Cod fan that think they know halo but only played halo reach when in fact they really don’t know what this team is capable of, 343i is made up of a lot of ex-bungie member in which they want the game to progress.
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> > I consider that the people are afraid of change that’s why but really sometimes changes are good and this particular change is gonna benefits all of us.
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> > Now what I dont like what they are doing is the instant spawn… In my opinion I think that waiting 3 sec spawn is a better feature then “just press x to respawn”
> >
> > Hopefully everything goes well and we can have halo to be one of the top games.
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> I know where you’re coming from. But I don’t like Chief having new armour. Yet he has the damage from when he fell to Earth still on his chest plate. It’s like they know a different version to Canon then what we do.

Yeah I agree with you on the changes but what i would of liked was that they detailed the armour more and just a few minor changes like since it’s 5 years in the future, the armour would of been more rusty or worn out.

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> > > I would consider myself in the group of those people who have played halo since 2001 and really I have faith in that 343i is knowing what they are doing to halo 4.
> > >
> > > The problem is that there the Cod fan that think they know halo but only played halo reach when in fact they really don’t know what this team is capable of, 343i is made up of a lot of ex-bungie member in which they want the game to progress.
> > >
> > > I consider that the people are afraid of change that’s why but really sometimes changes are good and this particular change is gonna benefits all of us.
> > >
> > > Now what I dont like what they are doing is the instant spawn… In my opinion I think that waiting 3 sec spawn is a better feature then “just press x to respawn”
> > >
> > > Hopefully everything goes well and we can have halo to be one of the top games.
> >
> > I know where you’re coming from. But I don’t like Chief having new armour. Yet he has the damage from when he fell to Earth still on his chest plate. It’s like they know a different version to Canon then what we do.
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> Yeah I agree with you on the changes but what i would of liked was that they detailed the armour more and just a few minor changes like since it’s 5 years in the future, the armour would of been more rusty or worn out.

More worn yeah. But it seems they love to change whatever they feel and not give fans a mention. All the in-house game testing is worrying me also. They’re not getting true fan-based opinions.
And I doubt the opinions they listen to here are 1% of the total forum population. And chances are they’re COD fan boys or kids who started playing during Halo 3 or like <mark>oGIBRAN</mark> who hasn’t even touched Halo 3. You have no opinion on this game when you haven’t played this game. End of.
Did you even see what they were originally planning for CE:A? They were going to use Reach’s stick-on armour look for the Chief before EVERYONE complained at what they saw.

You see <mark>oGIBRAN</mark>. Complaining still works.