It feels like its been years since Halo really thrived competitively. 6 years to be exact. 6 years ago I could pop in Halo 3 and play any ranked playlist from Snipers to Doubles to regular ole Team Slayer. Once you got into the 40s the competition was AWESOME. Same can be said for Halo 2 except the late 20s early 30s were the highly competitive areas. Now with Reach, 4 and what looks to be Halo 5 all of this is gone.Halo has become a full on Casual game.
When I wanted to play competitively I would play Halo 2 or Halo 3 ranked of course. When I wanted to played casually I would play Call of Duty. Now there i no difference between the two. Both are just a mash of good players playng bad players with very few equally skilled matches at all and no real goals to strive for.
This leads me to my main point: I feel like Halo is gone. It’s like being married for 6 years (Played since launch of XBL Halo 2) and then yur wife leaving you without telling you why. I cannot fathom why Halo has to become th casual game it is. I just simply want competitiv Halo back and all it really would take is a proper 1-50 ranking system in Halo 5. One that sets Halo apart from Call of Duty.
Agreed. Halo 2 IMO was my favorite ranking, while sometimes incredibly frustrating and glitchy, nothing felt as satisfying as ranking up in Halo 2’s multiplayer. Just getting to 30 felt like an accomplishment, and it felt a little less so in 3, while still competetive, and it has just gone down more with every game. It became more about ranking up for customization options than to actually “rank up”. If that makes any sense lol.
Not really sure if there’s a point to be made from all of that.
Halo2 has been out for 10 years, not 6. Halo2 can be played on the MCC where you should be asking for concentration on. In fact there’s this thing called the Halo Championship Series that features up-to-date Halo2-esque gameplay that is just BEGGING for competitive players and a proper “competitive ranking.”
Bungie always claimed their True Skill could place a player relatively close within 10 games, the “qualifying” period of H5’s ranking system, which ends up being a differently titled but still the “same” 1-50 ladder system of Halo2.
And since the beta was the test to see how that system played out with a limited player and skill pool size across multiple data centres (bugs or not)… Of course there needs to be some tweaking for release.
You are for some reason comparing two full games that had multiple ranked and social playlists to choose from to a beta where everyone was forced to play a form of Arena-based gametype… with buggy code… And claimed instead of playing on those same social playlists for a casual experience… You went to another completely different game… Which means you would have treated even social games as highly competitive?
your old halo is boring REAL fast. i dont even bother playing Halo 2 or 3 and on occasion i will play CE and i will play MCC H4 not on 360. the old halo feels stale and we cant have halo become CoD by a same H2 and 3 paste. so, i also give you never played CoD i recently played AW and was blown by how different it was from halo. CoD is waaayy more competitve than halo 2 EVER was. and halo wasnt even too skillful just grab your go to weapon or spawn with it and not worry about anything else - BR -. and why do you even compare 2 seperate games. you think H5 is like CoD AW i thought so until i played AW. TOTALLY different games! get AW and then play it and compare it to H5 nearly everything is different!
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> Not really sure if there’s a point to be made from all of that.
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> Halo2 has been out for 10 years, not 6. Halo2 can be played on the MCC where you should be asking for concentration on. In fact there’s this thing called the Halo Championship Series that features up-to-date Halo2-esque gameplay that is just BEGGING for competitive players and a proper “competitive ranking.”
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> Bungie always claimed their True Skill could place a player relatively close within 10 games, the “qualifying” period of H5’s ranking system, which ends up being a differently titled but still the “same” 1-50 ladder system of Halo2.
> And since the beta was the test to see how that system played out with a limited player and skill pool size across multiple data centres (bugs or not)… Of course there needs to be some tweaking for release.
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> You are for some reason comparing two full games that had multiple ranked and social playlists to choose from to a beta where everyone was forced to play a form of Arena-based gametype… with buggy code… And claimed instead of playing on those same social playlists for a casual experience… You went to another completely different game… Which means you would have treated even social games as highly competitive?
This
ANd a rotating Top tier is way more competitive Because it changes every game so in order to keep your Semi-Pro/Pro rank you have to keep playing all the time.
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> your old halo is boring REAL fast. i dont even bother playing Halo 2 or 3 and on occasion i will play CE and i will play MCC H4 not on 360. the old halo feels stale and we cant have halo become CoD by a same H2 and 3 paste. so, i also give you never played CoD i recently played AW and was blown by how different it was from halo. CoD is waaayy more competitve than halo 2 EVER was. and halo wasnt even too skillful just grab your go to weapon or spawn with it and not worry about anything else - BR -. and why do you even compare 2 seperate games. you think H5 is like CoD AW i thought so until i played AW. TOTALLY different games! get AW and then play it and compare it to H5 nearly everything is different!
This guy ruins Halo. This is the type of people 343 are catering to with Halo 5, people who hate traditional Halo.
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> your old halo is boring REAL fast. i dont even bother playing Halo 2 or 3 and on occasion i will play CE and i will play MCC H4 not on 360. the old halo feels stale and we cant have halo become CoD by a same H2 and 3 paste. so, i also give you never played CoD i recently played AW and was blown by how different it was from halo. CoD is waaayy more competitve than halo 2 EVER was. and halo wasnt even too skillful just grab your go to weapon or spawn with it and not worry about anything else - BR -. and why do you even compare 2 seperate games. you think H5 is like CoD AW i thought so until i played AW. TOTALLY different games! get AW and then play it and compare it to H5 nearly everything is different!
This post is the pure epitome of the fall of Halo.
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> your old halo is boring REAL fast. i dont even bother playing Halo 2 or 3 and on occasion i will play CE and i will play MCC H4 not on 360. the old halo feels stale and we cant have halo become CoD by a same H2 and 3 paste. so, i also give you never played CoD i recently played AW and was blown by how different it was from halo. CoD is waaayy more competitve than halo 2 EVER was. and halo wasnt even too skillful just grab your go to weapon or spawn with it and not worry about anything else - BR -. and why do you even compare 2 seperate games. you think H5 is like CoD AW i thought so until i played AW. TOTALLY different games! get AW and then play it and compare it to H5 nearly everything is different!
Go away. Please.
Play CoD if you like it so much. You thankfully can’t come here and say you hate H2/H3 and be taken seriously anyways. 343 catered to your kind when they made H4 and it was the biggest letdown in Halo history. We cannot let them do that again.
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> your old halo is boring REAL fast. i dont even bother playing Halo 2 or 3 and on occasion i will play CE and i will play MCC H4 not on 360. the old halo feels stale and we cant have halo become CoD by a same H2 and 3 paste. so, i also give you never played CoD i recently played AW and was blown by how different it was from halo. CoD is waaayy more competitve than halo 2 EVER was. and halo wasnt even too skillful just grab your go to weapon or spawn with it and not worry about anything else - BR -. and why do you even compare 2 seperate games. you think H5 is like CoD AW i thought so until i played AW. TOTALLY different games! get AW and then play it and compare it to H5 nearly everything is different!
HA your funny
in cod you also have great starting weapons! AND u almost never pick new ones up
i have AW and it feels simular to H5G,
riddle me this,
in a game like halo ce,2,or3 u can WATCH people spawn! So how does that make it slow if you are in a fight less than a second after u spawn
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> Not really sure if there’s a point to be made from all of that.
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> Halo2 has been out for 10 years, not 6. Halo2 can be played on the MCC where you should be asking for concentration on. In fact there’s this thing called the Halo Championship Series that features up-to-date Halo2-esque gameplay that is just BEGGING for competitive players and a proper “competitive ranking.”
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> Bungie always claimed their True Skill could place a player relatively close within 10 games, the “qualifying” period of H5’s ranking system, which ends up being a differently titled but still the “same” 1-50 ladder system of Halo2.
> And since the beta was the test to see how that system played out with a limited player and skill pool size across multiple data centres (bugs or not)… Of course there needs to be some tweaking for release.
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> You are for some reason comparing two full games that had multiple ranked and social playlists to choose from to a beta where everyone was forced to play a form of Arena-based gametype… with buggy code… And claimed instead of playing on those same social playlists for a casual experience… You went to another completely different game… Which means you would have treated even social games as highly competitive?
Halo 2 online and Halo 3 online I played for roughly 2004 to 2010 thatv would be 6 years DERP
I don’t want halo 2 agan I want a new halo game with a good ranking system like the 1-50 not the BS in h5. Its really not that hard to understand
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> > your old halo is boring REAL fast. i dont even bother playing Halo 2 or 3 and on occasion i will play CE and i will play MCC H4 not on 360. the old halo feels stale and we cant have halo become CoD by a same H2 and 3 paste. so, i also give you never played CoD i recently played AW and was blown by how different it was from halo. CoD is waaayy more competitve than halo 2 EVER was. and halo wasnt even too skillful just grab your go to weapon or spawn with it and not worry about anything else - BR -. and why do you even compare 2 seperate games. you think H5 is like CoD AW i thought so until i played AW. TOTALLY different games! get AW and then play it and compare it to H5 nearly everything is different!
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> HA your funny
> in cod you also have great starting weapons! AND u almost never pick new ones up
> i have AW and it feels simular to H5G,
> riddle me this,
> in a game like halo ce,2,or3 u can WATCH people spawn! So how does that make it slow if you are in a fight less than a second after u spawn
No it does not, at all. Seriously people who think this are ridiculous. They dont feel in any way the same at all.
2nd If you can see people spawning on a regular basis thats a problem of spawn design and leads to spawn killing. Which is terrible, this doesn’t prove skill, it doesn’t prove your a good player. It just proves you can “shot fish in a barrel” which is just stupid and bad design.
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> > Not really sure if there’s a point to be made from all of that.
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> > Halo2 has been out for 10 years, not 6. Halo2 can be played on the MCC where you should be asking for concentration on. In fact there’s this thing called the Halo Championship Series that features up-to-date Halo2-esque gameplay that is just BEGGING for competitive players and a proper “competitive ranking.”
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> > Bungie always claimed their True Skill could place a player relatively close within 10 games, the “qualifying” period of H5’s ranking system, which ends up being a differently titled but still the “same” 1-50 ladder system of Halo2.
> > And since the beta was the test to see how that system played out with a limited player and skill pool size across multiple data centres (bugs or not)… Of course there needs to be some tweaking for release.
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> > You are for some reason comparing two full games that had multiple ranked and social playlists to choose from to a beta where everyone was forced to play a form of Arena-based gametype… with buggy code… And claimed instead of playing on those same social playlists for a casual experience… You went to another completely different game… Which means you would have treated even social games as highly competitive?
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> Halo 2 online and Halo 3 online I played for roughly 2004 to 2010 thatv would be 6 years DERP
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> I don’t want halo 2 agan I want a new halo game with a good ranking system like the 1-50 not the BS in h5. Its really not that hard to understand
You want to Play a “New” Game with the exact Mechanics of Halo 2, With the exact rankings of halo 2( which were very easy to abuse BTW).
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> > > Not really sure if there’s a point to be made from all of that.
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> > > Halo2 has been out for 10 years, not 6. Halo2 can be played on the MCC where you should be asking for concentration on. In fact there’s this thing called the Halo Championship Series that features up-to-date Halo2-esque gameplay that is just BEGGING for competitive players and a proper “competitive ranking.”
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> > > Bungie always claimed their True Skill could place a player relatively close within 10 games, the “qualifying” period of H5’s ranking system, which ends up being a differently titled but still the “same” 1-50 ladder system of Halo2.
> > > And since the beta was the test to see how that system played out with a limited player and skill pool size across multiple data centres (bugs or not)… Of course there needs to be some tweaking for release.
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> > > You are for some reason comparing two full games that had multiple ranked and social playlists to choose from to a beta where everyone was forced to play a form of Arena-based gametype… with buggy code… And claimed instead of playing on those same social playlists for a casual experience… You went to another completely different game… Which means you would have treated even social games as highly competitive?
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> > Halo 2 online and Halo 3 online I played for roughly 2004 to 2010 thatv would be 6 years DERP
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> > I don’t want halo 2 agan I want a new halo game with a good ranking system like the 1-50 not the BS in h5. Its really not that hard to understand
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> You want to Play a “New” Game with the exact Mechanics of Halo 2, With the exact rankings of halo 2( which were very easy to abuse BTW).
I don’t understand people and their obsession with a rank number. The newer system is nearly identical, yet instead of having everyone “boost” to “their 50” (like it is entitled over earned), the top 200 players are ranked and rotated as Pro. I’d much rather earn a rank that can change than play a number game that people can abuse. I will say, however, that the new system needs to be tweaked - the 10 game unranked play is buggy (where you get put seems more random, since I ranked higher out of the gate in Slayer when I was still learning than in Breakout or Strongholds when I played my best). Also, seeing people on the winning team rank up quickly while be out performed by most of the losing team seems a bit unfair (boosting still exists). Overall, the system at launch will essentially be like the old system in function so people need to get over this number issue.
Also, people need to let go of the CoD comparisons. Watching videos of gameplay and actually playing games are 2 separate experiences. Play some CE back to back with H2A just to see how fast the old games really were (especially at 60fps).
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> Agreed. Halo 2 IMO was my favorite ranking, while sometimes incredibly frustrating and glitchy, nothing felt as satisfying as ranking up in Halo 2’s multiplayer. Just getting to 30 felt like an accomplishment, and it felt a little less so in 3, while still competetive, and it has just gone down more with every game. It became more about ranking up for customization options than to actually “rank up”. If that makes any sense lol.
3’s ranking was better. mainly due to the superior matchmaking of 3 over 2. trueskill 1-50 was nearly flawless, minus the issue of boosters playing on low level accounts. Also having to get a certain skill and certain exp number to achieve a rank meant more than just having a highest skill number. With a 50 you earn the title general and that meant something. Don’t know what you mean about customization options for ranking up, as all the armor permutations in halo 3 were unlocked by achievements.
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> > > > Not really sure if there’s a point to be made from all of that.
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> > > > Halo2 has been out for 10 years, not 6. Halo2 can be played on the MCC where you should be asking for concentration on. In fact there’s this thing called the Halo Championship Series that features up-to-date Halo2-esque gameplay that is just BEGGING for competitive players and a proper “competitive ranking.”
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> > > > Bungie always claimed their True Skill could place a player relatively close within 10 games, the “qualifying” period of H5’s ranking system, which ends up being a differently titled but still the “same” 1-50 ladder system of Halo2.
> > > > And since the beta was the test to see how that system played out with a limited player and skill pool size across multiple data centres (bugs or not)… Of course there needs to be some tweaking for release.
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> > > > You are for some reason comparing two full games that had multiple ranked and social playlists to choose from to a beta where everyone was forced to play a form of Arena-based gametype… with buggy code… And claimed instead of playing on those same social playlists for a casual experience… You went to another completely different game… Which means you would have treated even social games as highly competitive?
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> > You want to Play a “New” Game with the exact Mechanics of Halo 2, With the exact rankings of halo 2( which were very easy to abuse BTW).
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> I don’t understand people and their obsession with a rank number. The newer system is nearly identical, yet instead of having everyone “boost” to “their 50” (like it is entitled over earned), the top 200 players are ranked and rotated as Pro. I’d much rather earn a rank that can change than play a number game that people can abuse. I will say, however, that the new system needs to be tweaked - the 10 game unranked play is buggy (where you get put seems more random, since I ranked higher out of the gate in Slayer when I was still learning than in Breakout or Strongholds when I played my best). Also, seeing people on the winning team rank up quickly while be out performed by most of the losing team seems a bit unfair (boosting still exists). Overall, the system at launch will essentially be like the old system in function so people need to get over this number issue.
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> Also, people need to let go of the CoD comparisons. Watching videos of gameplay and actually playing games are 2 separate experiences. Play some CE back to back with H2A just to see how fast the old games really were (especially at 60fps).
Agreed The rank system in place means that the most dedicated fans have to fight for there “50” and keep fight and keep fighting to keep it. ANd i also Agree it does need tweaked and i also figure that many of the issues were due to it being a beta. and not the full ranking system they will have in Place. People need to remember that this ranking system was likely created with a large helpful hand by there pro team.
I loved playing the beta. I played some CODAW(new maps out today)today and it plays Nothing like the beta. People keep saying it does but this baffles me.
But heck I remember playing with some players when CODAW first came out and they said it played to much like halo. So there is that. There is no weight in any of these claims.