What's wrong with Grifball

So this was just something that’s been going on for a long time.

I used to love playing Grifball, until I realized the flaws of playing a game mode where your only weapons are Gravity Hammers and Energy Swords.

Has anyone else been spawn killed over and over by two guys standing behind your spawn points and hammering you whenever you respawn? Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to not have spawn invincibility?

Isn’t that kind of the point of Grifball?

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> So this was just something that’s been going on for a long time.
>
> I used to love playing Grifball, until I realized the flaws of playing a game mode where your only weapons are Gravity Hammers and Energy Swords.
>
> Has anyone else been spawn killed over and over by two guys standing behind your spawn points and hammering you whenever you respawn? Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to not have spawn invincibility?

I’ll tell you first hand that Grif is filled with spawn killers. The remaining “good” players that still play that gametype literally learned to sit behind a spawn from me and my friend, and they abuse this strategy a lot. Sorry this is happening to you, but spawnkillers run that playlist. Indeed it sucks, so I suggest backing out if you see people that do that. Save yourself the hell.

> 2533274949091765;1:
> So this was just something that’s been going on for a long time.
>
> I used to love playing Grifball, until I realized the flaws of playing a game mode where your only weapons are Gravity Hammers and Energy Swords.
>
> Has anyone else been spawn killed over and over by two guys standing behind your spawn points and hammering you whenever you respawn? Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to not have spawn invincibility?

Yes I have had it happened and people who do it violate Section F of the Code of Conduct they agreed to upon singing up for their XBox LIVE account.

From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”

From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not exploit game vulnerabilities or glitches.”

Here is also further proof that it is unacceptable and unsporting right from the Xbox Support Site .

From that page:

Examples of unacceptable behavior include:

-Violating the Xbox Live Code of Conduct
-Cheating or “griefing” (intentionally ruining the fun of the game for other players)
-Skill, EXP, or credit boosting, habitual quitting, sitting idle in games, and other unsociable and unsportsmanlike behavior

So players doing this can be banned for doing so. What makes it wrong is that players who do this are exploiting the spawn system on the grifball maps to boost kills, their K/D ratio, and commedations (boosting is considered a form of cheating) while simultaneously degrading the gameplay experience and ruining the fun of the game for others.

This is how to handle them:

From the LIVE’s Code of Conduct Page:

-If you encounter an obnoxious player:
-File a complaint if you believe the player is violating the Code of Conduct (Which by what by your describing others doing to you, I have proven that they did)
-Give negative feedback and/or Avoid This Player. This can be done by selecting the player’s profile and choosing the Feedback option.

So the answer to your question, there is nothing wrong with grifball, however there is something wrong with the moral code of some people who play grifball. I hope this helps you out, showing you how they are wrong for doing this to you and how you can handle them.

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> Isn’t that kind of the point of Grifball?

No, cheating through boosting and exploiting as well as degrading the game service for others and the fun of the game for others is not the point of grifball. The point of grifball is to score goals. There is a reason why it is called Grifball and not ‘Spawncampkill ball’. There is no way to properly justify ‘spawntrapping’ or cheating, and I have proven above in this message that it is wrong and is a bannable offense.

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> > 2533274949091765;1:
> > So this was just something that’s been going on for a long time.
> >
> > I used to love playing Grifball, until I realized the flaws of playing a game mode where your only weapons are Gravity Hammers and Energy Swords.
> >
> > Has anyone else been spawn killed over and over by two guys standing behind your spawn points and hammering you whenever you respawn? Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to not have spawn invincibility?
>
>
> Yes I have had it happened and people who do it violate Section F of the Code of Conduct they agreed to upon singing up for their XBox LIVE account.
>
> From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”
>
> From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not exploit game vulnerabilities or glitches.”
>
> Here is also further proof that it is unacceptable and unsporting right from the Xbox Support Site .
>
> From that page:
>
> Examples of unacceptable behavior include:
>
> -Violating the Xbox Live Code of Conduct
> -Cheating or “griefing” (intentionally ruining the fun of the game for other players)
> -Skill, EXP, or credit boosting, habitual quitting, sitting idle in games, and other unsociable and unsportsmanlike behavior
>
> So players doing this can be banned for doing so. What makes it wrong is that players who do this are exploiting the spawn system on the grifball maps to boost kills, their K/D ratio, and commedations (boosting is considered a form of cheating) while simultaneously degrading the gameplay experience and ruining the fun of the game for others.
>
> This is how to handle them:
>
> From the LIVE’s Code of Conduct Page:
>
> -If you encounter an obnoxious player:
> -File a complaint if you believe the player is violating the Code of Conduct (Which by what by your describing others doing to you, I have proven that they did)
> -Give negative feedback and/or Avoid This Player. This can be done by selecting the player’s profile and choosing the Feedback option.
>
> So the answer to your question, there is nothing wrong with grifball, however there is something wrong with the moral code of some people who play grifball. I hope this helps you out, showing you how they are wrong for doing this to you and how you can handle them.
>
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> > Isn’t that kind of the point of Grifball?
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> No, cheating through boosting and exploiting as well as degrading the game service for others and the fun of the game for others is not the point of ifball. The point of grifball is to score goals. There is a reason why it is called Grifball and not ‘Spawncampkill ball’. There is no way to properly justify ‘spawntrapping’ or cheating, and I have proven above in this message that it is wrong and is a bannable offense.

I use to play in the AGLA (the official grifball league) and spawnkilling is a legitimate strategy. Even stat padding (deliberately holding the ball for kills) is not cheating. Me and my halo team did it for a very long time, as do many players. We were and still are top on the leaderboards. So no, it’s not punishable by anything. Get your facts straight dude.

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> > > 2533274949091765;1:
> > > So this was just something that’s been going on for a long time.
> > > I used to love playing Grifball, until I realized the flaws of playing a game mode where your only weapons are Gravity Hammers and Energy Swords.
> > > Has anyone else been spawn killed over and over by two guys standing behind your spawn points and hammering you whenever you respawn? Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to not have spawn invincibility?
> >
> >
> > Yes I have had it happened and people who do it violate Section F of the Code of Conduct they agreed to upon singing up for their XBox LIVE account.
> > From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”
> > From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not exploit game vulnerabilities or glitches.”
> > Here is also further proof that it is unacceptable and unsporting right from the Xbox Support Site .
> > From that page:
> > Examples of unacceptable behavior include:
> > -Violating the Xbox Live Code of Conduct
> > -Cheating or “griefing” (intentionally ruining the fun of the game for other players)
> > -Skill, EXP, or credit boosting, habitual quitting, sitting idle in games, and other unsociable and unsportsmanlike behavior
> > So players doing this can be banned for doing so. What makes it wrong is that players who do this are exploiting the spawn system on the grifball maps to boost kills, their K/D ratio, and commedations (boosting is considered a form of cheating) while simultaneously degrading the gameplay experience and ruining the fun of the game for others.
> > This is how to handle them:
> > From the LIVE’s Code of Conduct Page:
> > -If you encounter an obnoxious player:
> > -File a complaint if you believe the player is violating the Code of Conduct (Which by what by your describing others doing to you, I have proven that they did)
> > -Give negative feedback and/or Avoid This Player. This can be done by selecting the player’s profile and choosing the Feedback option.
> > So the answer to your question, there is nothing wrong with grifball, however there is something wrong with the moral code of some people who play grifball. I hope this helps you out, showing you how they are wrong for doing this to you and how you can handle them.
> >
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> > > 2535464077691593;2:
> > > Isn’t that kind of the point of Grifball?
> >
> >
> > No, cheating through boosting and exploiting as well as degrading the game service for others and the fun of the game for others is not the point of ifball. The point of grifball is to score goals. There is a reason why it is called Grifball and not ‘Spawncampkill ball’. There is no way to properly justify ‘spawntrapping’ or cheating, and I have proven above in this message that it is wrong and is a bannable offense.
>
>
> I use to play in the AGLA (the official grifball league) and spawnkilling is a legitimate strategy. Even stat padding (deliberately holding the ball for kills) is not cheating. Me and my halo team did it for a very long time, as do many players. We were and still are top on the leaderboards. So no, it’s not punishable by anything. Get your facts straight dude.

Boosting-intentionally abusing the game to elevate, or “boost” one’s rank or achievements. Boosting is cheating. Enough said on that.

I’ve also proven how spawncamp killing is griefing, Why does it say on the official Xbox Support site then that griefing is unacceptable behavior for Halo 4? It ruins the fun of the game for the people that are spawntrapped. If people are reported enough times for doing so, they can be banned. Don’t believe me, ask Waypoint Community Engineer Cizlin. Based upon the Code of Conduct and Halo 4 Support Page, I would say my facts are pretty straight.

Maybe under official AGLA games, it’s ok, however on Xbox LIVE matchmaking, it’s not. I posted the facts above right from the rules and support page. Does it mean people won’t do it. No, because some people will do things because they simply can, but it doesn’t justify the reasoning behind it.

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> > > > 2533274949091765;1:
> > > > So this was just something that’s been going on for a long time.
> > > > I used to love playing Grifball, until I realized the flaws of playing a game mode where your only weapons are Gravity Hammers and Energy Swords.
> > > > Has anyone else been spawn killed over and over by two guys standing behind your spawn points and hammering you whenever you respawn? Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to not have spawn invincibility?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes I have had it happened and people who do it violate Section F of the Code of Conduct they agreed to upon singing up for their XBox LIVE account.
> > > From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”
> > > From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not exploit game vulnerabilities or glitches.”
> > > Here is also further proof that it is unacceptable and unsporting right from the Xbox Support Site .
> > > From that page:
> > > Examples of unacceptable behavior include:
> > > -Violating the Xbox Live Code of Conduct
> > > -Cheating or “griefing” (intentionally ruining the fun of the game for other players)
> > > -Skill, EXP, or credit boosting, habitual quitting, sitting idle in games, and other unsociable and unsportsmanlike behavior
> > > So players doing this can be banned for doing so. What makes it wrong is that players who do this are exploiting the spawn system on the grifball maps to boost kills, their K/D ratio, and commedations (boosting is considered a form of cheating) while simultaneously degrading the gameplay experience and ruining the fun of the game for others.
> > > This is how to handle them:
> > > From the LIVE’s Code of Conduct Page:
> > > -If you encounter an obnoxious player:
> > > -File a complaint if you believe the player is violating the Code of Conduct (Which by what by your describing others doing to you, I have proven that they did)
> > > -Give negative feedback and/or Avoid This Player. This can be done by selecting the player’s profile and choosing the Feedback option.
> > > So the answer to your question, there is nothing wrong with grifball, however there is something wrong with the moral code of some people who play grifball. I hope this helps you out, showing you how they are wrong for doing this to you and how you can handle them.
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2535464077691593;2:
> > > > Isn’t that kind of the point of Grifball?
> > >
> > >
> > > No, cheating through boosting and exploiting as well as degrading the game service for others and the fun of the game for others is not the point of ifball. The point of grifball is to score goals. There is a reason why it is called Grifball and not ‘Spawncampkill ball’. There is no way to properly justify ‘spawntrapping’ or cheating, and I have proven above in this message that it is wrong and is a bannable offense.
> >
> >
> > I use to play in the AGLA (the official grifball league) and spawnkilling is a legitimate strategy. Even stat padding (deliberately holding the ball for kills) is not cheating. Me and my halo team did it for a very long time, as do many players. We were and still are top on the leaderboards. So no, it’s not punishable by anything. Get your facts straight dude.
>
>
> Boosting-intentionally abusing the game to elevate, or “boost” one’s rank or achievements. Boosting is cheating. Enough said on that.
>
> I’ve also proven how spawncamp killing is griefing, Why does it say on the official Xbox Support site then that griefing is unacceptable behavior for Halo 4? It ruins the fun of the game for the people that are spawntrapped. If people are reported enough times for doing so, they can be banned. Don’t believe me, ask Waypoint Community Engineer Cizlin. Based upon the Code of Conduct and Halo 4 Support Page, I would say my facts are pretty straight.
>
> Maybe under official AGLA games, it’s ok, however on Xbox LIVE matchmaking, it’s not. I posted the facts above right from the rules and support page. Does it mean people won’t do it. No, because some people will do things because they simply can, but it doesn’t justify the reasoning behind it.

I hear you, dude. However, even the maps in Grifball are set up for the purpose of being able to spawnkill. People abuse the spawns for kills, and in doing so ruin people’s service records. While stat padding is boosting, there is no punishment for some reason. Of course people shouldn’t camp cheap kills, but until runknockyard (the guy who makes the Grif maps) changes the spawn placement, this kind of bullying will continue. I hope Halo 5 Grifball is different, so people don’t think that sitting behind a spawn is an indicator of skill.

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> > > 2533274949091765;1:
> > > So this was just something that’s been going on for a long time.
> > >
> > > I used to love playing Grifball, until I realized the flaws of playing a game mode where your only weapons are Gravity Hammers and Energy Swords.
> > >
> > > Has anyone else been spawn killed over and over by two guys standing behind your spawn points and hammering you whenever you respawn? Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to not have spawn invincibility?
> >
> >
> > Yes I have had it happened and people who do it violate Section F of the Code of Conduct they agreed to upon singing up for their XBox LIVE account.
> >
> > From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”
> >
> > From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not exploit game vulnerabilities or glitches.”
> >
> > Here is also further proof that it is unacceptable and unsporting right from the Xbox Support Site .
> >
> > From that page:
> >
> > Examples of unacceptable behavior include:
> >
> > -Violating the Xbox Live Code of Conduct
> > -Cheating or “griefing” (intentionally ruining the fun of the game for other players)
> > -Skill, EXP, or credit boosting, habitual quitting, sitting idle in games, and other unsociable and unsportsmanlike behavior
> >
> > So players doing this can be banned for doing so. What makes it wrong is that players who do this are exploiting the spawn system on the grifball maps to boost kills, their K/D ratio, and commedations (boosting is considered a form of cheating) while simultaneously degrading the gameplay experience and ruining the fun of the game for others.
> >
> > This is how to handle them:
> >
> > From the LIVE’s Code of Conduct Page:
> >
> > -If you encounter an obnoxious player:
> > -File a complaint if you believe the player is violating the Code of Conduct (Which by what by your describing others doing to you, I have proven that they did)
> > -Give negative feedback and/or Avoid This Player. This can be done by selecting the player’s profile and choosing the Feedback option.
> >
> > So the answer to your question, there is nothing wrong with grifball, however there is something wrong with the moral code of some people who play grifball. I hope this helps you out, showing you how they are wrong for doing this to you and how you can handle them.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2535464077691593;2:
> > > Isn’t that kind of the point of Grifball?
> >
> >
> > No, cheating through boosting and exploiting as well as degrading the game service for others and the fun of the game for others is not the point of ifball. The point of grifball is to score goals. There is a reason why it is called Grifball and not ‘Spawncampkill ball’. There is no way to properly justify ‘spawntrapping’ or cheating, and I have proven above in this message that it is wrong and is a bannable offense.
>
>
> I use to play in the AGLA (the official grifball league) and spawnkilling is a legitimate strategy. Even stat padding (deliberately holding the ball for kills) is not cheating. Me and my halo team did it for a very long time, as do many players. We were and still are top on the leaderboards. So no, it’s not punishable by anything. Get your facts straight dude.

Just for clarification, stat padding is NOT a legitimate strategy and gets you banned in the AGLA. Spawn killing on the other hand is legitimate strategy, but that’s just to get the bomb scored, not to just kill the enemy team for 15 minutes while having someone else hold the bomb and refuse to score. This is obviously not encouraged and would certainly fall under “griefing” but at the same time impossible to prevent without making a big changes to the gametype itself. The Grifball community has gone through all kinds of concepts and ideas to help prevent this but there’s no real solution that can prevent stat padding without negatively effecting those who play the game as intended.

My best suggestion is to simply leave the game if you’re being stat padded.

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> > > > So this was just something that’s been going on for a long time.
> > > > I used to love playing Grifball, until I realized the flaws of playing a game mode where your only weapons are Gravity Hammers and Energy Swords.
> > > > Has anyone else been spawn killed over and over by two guys standing behind your spawn points and hammering you whenever you respawn? Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to not have spawn invincibility?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes I have had it happened and people who do it violate Section F of the Code of Conduct they agreed to upon singing up for their XBox LIVE account.
> > > From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”
> > > From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not exploit game vulnerabilities or glitches.”
> > > Here is also further proof that it is unacceptable and unsporting right from the Xbox Support Site .
> > > From that page:
> > > Examples of unacceptable behavior include:
> > > -Violating the Xbox Live Code of Conduct
> > > -Cheating or “griefing” (intentionally ruining the fun of the game for other players)
> > > -Skill, EXP, or credit boosting, habitual quitting, sitting idle in games, and other unsociable and unsportsmanlike behavior
> > > So players doing this can be banned for doing so. What makes it wrong is that players who do this are exploiting the spawn system on the grifball maps to boost kills, their K/D ratio, and commedations (boosting is considered a form of cheating) while simultaneously degrading the gameplay experience and ruining the fun of the game for others.
> > > This is how to handle them:
> > > From the LIVE’s Code of Conduct Page:
> > > -If you encounter an obnoxious player:
> > > -File a complaint if you believe the player is violating the Code of Conduct (Which by what by your describing others doing to you, I have proven that they did)
> > > -Give negative feedback and/or Avoid This Player. This can be done by selecting the player’s profile and choosing the Feedback option.
> > > So the answer to your question, there is nothing wrong with grifball, however there is something wrong with the moral code of some people who play grifball. I hope this helps you out, showing you how they are wrong for doing this to you and how you can handle them.
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2535464077691593;2:
> > > > Isn’t that kind of the point of Grifball?
> > >
> > >
> > > No, cheating through boosting and exploiting as well as degrading the game service for others and the fun of the game for others is not the point of ifball. The point of grifball is to score goals. There is a reason why it is called Grifball and not ‘Spawncampkill ball’. There is no way to properly justify ‘spawntrapping’ or cheating, and I have proven above in this message that it is wrong and is a bannable offense.
> >
> >
> > I use to play in the AGLA (the official grifball league) and spawnkilling is a legitimate strategy. Even stat padding (deliberately holding the ball for kills) is not cheating. Me and my halo team did it for a very long time, as do many players. We were and still are top on the leaderboards. So no, it’s not punishable by anything. Get your facts straight dude.
>
>
> Just for clarification, stat padding is NOT a legitimate strategy and gets you banned in the AGLA. Spawn killing on the other hand is legitimate strategy, but that’s just to get the bomb scored, not to just kill the enemy team for 15 minutes while having someone else hold the bomb and refuse to score. This is obviously not encouraged and would certainly fall under “griefing” but at the same time impossible to prevent without making a big changes to the gametype itself. The Grifball community has gone through all kinds of concepts and ideas to help prevent this but there’s no real solution that can prevent stat padding without negatively effecting those who play the game as intended.
> My best suggestion is to simply leave the game if you’re being stat padded.

That is what I was trying to say, it’s one thing to do it quick to score (Which in some people’s eyes is even questionable), but it is basically cheating and griefing if a team sits there for most or the entire game spawntrapping for the sake of boosting (I’m not going to use the term statpadding) their kills, K/D ratio and Commedations. My question when this is done is “If you can score the objective, then why don’t you?”

Another waypointer and I actually dealt with this during a CTF game on Simplex, where the opposing team capped four flags and then for eight and a half minutes one held our flag using the flagnum and the other three used a Battle Rifle. Basically, you would spawn, get hit immediately by three different BR shots and then be finished by the flagnum, not even having the chance to react, the only break we could catch is when they would have to reload or run out of ammo. Yeah using BRs like that totally takes skill, and note I say that sarcastically. So spawntrapping does happen in other objective based gametypes as well unfortunately.

If the opposing team spawntraps for the sake of boosting, I would stay the entire game (if it’s a matchmaking game), so I have grounds to use the features Xbox has supplied us with, basically giving negative feedback, ‘Unsporting Conduct’ or ‘Lacking Skill’ being the reason and reporting them for cheating because boosting is cheating. The system and features are there for a reason and are part of what you pay for with LIVE gold. If people want to boost, then they should create a full party with friends so people who actually want to play the game, who actually understand that objective based games are that and not a place to boost don’t get pulled into the nonsense.

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> > > > 2533274949091765;1:
> > > > So this was just something that’s been going on for a long time.
> > > >
> > > > I used to love playing Grifball, until I realized the flaws of playing a game mode where your only weapons are Gravity Hammers and Energy Swords.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone else been spawn killed over and over by two guys standing behind your spawn points and hammering you whenever you respawn? Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to not have spawn invincibility?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes I have had it happened and people who do it violate Section F of the Code of Conduct they agreed to upon singing up for their XBox LIVE account.
> > >
> > > From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users, including but not limited to network interference or manipulation.”
> > >
> > > From Section F of the Code of Conduct: -“Do not exploit game vulnerabilities or glitches.”
> > >
> > > Here is also further proof that it is unacceptable and unsporting right from the Xbox Support Site .
> > >
> > > From that page:
> > >
> > > Examples of unacceptable behavior include:
> > >
> > > -Violating the Xbox Live Code of Conduct
> > > -Cheating or “griefing” (intentionally ruining the fun of the game for other players)
> > > -Skill, EXP, or credit boosting, habitual quitting, sitting idle in games, and other unsociable and unsportsmanlike behavior
> > >
> > > So players doing this can be banned for doing so. What makes it wrong is that players who do this are exploiting the spawn system on the grifball maps to boost kills, their K/D ratio, and commedations (boosting is considered a form of cheating) while simultaneously degrading the gameplay experience and ruining the fun of the game for others.
> > >
> > > This is how to handle them:
> > >
> > > From the LIVE’s Code of Conduct Page:
> > >
> > > -If you encounter an obnoxious player:
> > > -File a complaint if you believe the player is violating the Code of Conduct (Which by what by your describing others doing to you, I have proven that they did)
> > > -Give negative feedback and/or Avoid This Player. This can be done by selecting the player’s profile and choosing the Feedback option.
> > >
> > > So the answer to your question, there is nothing wrong with grifball, however there is something wrong with the moral code of some people who play grifball. I hope this helps you out, showing you how they are wrong for doing this to you and how you can handle them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2535464077691593;2:
> > > > Isn’t that kind of the point of Grifball?
> > >
> > >
> > > No, cheating through boosting and exploiting as well as degrading the game service for others and the fun of the game for others is not the point of ifball. The point of grifball is to score goals. There is a reason why it is called Grifball and not ‘Spawncampkill ball’. There is no way to properly justify ‘spawntrapping’ or cheating, and I have proven above in this message that it is wrong and is a bannable offense.
> >
> >
> > I use to play in the AGLA (the official grifball league) and spawnkilling is a legitimate strategy. Even stat padding (deliberately holding the ball for kills) is not cheating. Me and my halo team did it for a very long time, as do many players. We were and still are top on the leaderboards. So no, it’s not punishable by anything. Get your facts straight dude.
>
>
> Just for clarification, stat padding is NOT a legitimate strategy and gets you banned in the AGLA. Spawn killing on the other hand is legitimate strategy, but that’s just to get the bomb scored, not to just kill the enemy team for 15 minutes while having someone else hold the bomb and refuse to score. This is obviously not encouraged and would certainly fall under “griefing” but at the same time impossible to prevent without making a big changes to the gametype itself. The Grifball community has gone through all kinds of concepts and ideas to help prevent this but there’s no real solution that can prevent stat padding without negatively effecting those who play the game as intended.
>
> My best suggestion is to simply leave the game if you’re being stat padded.

Just got word back from a current and well respected AGLA player regarding this, RECEPTOR 17, and he basically stated the same thing:

“Spawn trapping is a legal move to lead to an immediate score. But if you spawn camp for a K/D boost, where you can easily score but refuse to to get more kills, that is illegal and will result in a permaban.”

Lol no disrespect to Receptor but Rage is an admin for AGLA. You didn’t need to go looking for confirmation elsewhere.

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> Lol no disrespect to Receptor but Rage is an admin for AGLA. You didn’t need to go looking for confirmation elsewhere.

<3

> 2533274796457055;11:
> Lol no disrespect to Receptor but Rage is an admin for AGLA. You didn’t need to go looking for confirmation elsewhere.

I didn’t know that about Rage, lol. I have known RECEPTOR though for quite some time (Mostly due to his skills of taking awesome screenshots, but also for being very knowledagble regarding rules for anything he participates in) and actually sent him a message before Rage posted here in this thread. Very good thing to know though, so thank you.

Grifball is wrong with Grifball

If there were no spawn-killers, then it could be a lot more fun.

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> If there were no spawn-killers, then it could be a lot more fun.

Now that’s what everyone does. Pretty sad, Grifball use to be lots more fun ):

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> > 2535453464044488;15:
> > If there were no spawn-killers, then it could be a lot more fun.
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> Now that’s what everyone does. Pretty sad, Grifball use to be lots more fun ):

And it is getting worse now, because it is also starting to happen in CTF Gametypes as well. It seems that clans or teams that are knowlegable of spawn points (From practicing on those V and IG maps in custom games) and are good with the Battle Rifle will spawntrap the other team, either using four BRs on a spawning player (All four players focusing on the spawning player), or three players use BRs and the fourth the flagnum to do the same. The only break the spawntrapped people get is when the players on the other team have to reload or run out of ammo. And people say the Battle Rifle isn’t overpowered and is a ‘MLG’ gun.

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> So this was just something that’s been going on for a long time.
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> I used to love playing Grifball, until I realized the flaws of playing a game mode where your only weapons are Gravity Hammers and Energy Swords.
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> Has anyone else been spawn killed over and over by two guys standing behind your spawn points and hammering you whenever you respawn? Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to not have spawn invincibility?

wow thats old lol they did that on halo reach where have you been

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> > 2533274949091765;1:
> > So this was just something that’s been going on for a long time.
> >
> > I used to love playing Grifball, until I realized the flaws of playing a game mode where your only weapons are Gravity Hammers and Energy Swords.
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> > Has anyone else been spawn killed over and over by two guys standing behind your spawn points and hammering you whenever you respawn? Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to not have spawn invincibility?
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> wow thats old lol they did that on halo reach where have you been

People have been spawnkilling since halo 3…