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I found something very funny here in this thread.

Here’s a post from it taken at the last page. This one’s from “Ace Bullets”

> God I hate this game so much, and I hate 343 even more. They take out all the good things from the previous games, make Yoink! maps and don’t listen to their fans. Why the hell do we play this game then? It has the name Halo in it thats why. Im sure if this game wasn’t called Halo and instead a new concept or idea it wouldn’t have sold as well and would die as fast as fruit fly.
> I hate the little updates they put in like trueskill which messed up my service record completely. DMR should have had it’s -Yoink!- nerfed a long time ago too along with the thruster pack in infection mode. Why can’t this company just listen to it’s fans and make the game better. I don’t care if it’s new, they had the time, they have the cash, they have the resources to make something amazing and instead we get a half finished game.
> A lot of people didn’t like reach but reach had everything going for it really. They made every single aspect of the game bigger aka firefight, forge and Halo 4 has NO excuse why they took everything out or nerfed it.

My, that’s a lot of rage, Ace Bullets. But just out of curiousity, why don’t take a little peekaboo at your service record here. You know, just to verify a couple things…

Lessee here, oh my! An SR of 83… CSR of 40… He last played Halo 4 about two months ago. Now why would he play Halo 4 so much if he really hated it with pretty much every fibre of his being?

This isn’t the only person I’ve seen like this. So many people come on here complaining about 343 and Halo but soon as you check their service record, you find they’re PLAYING IT AN AWFUL LOT for someone who hates the game.

But that’s just one person, right? How about the person who made that entire thread? Should have a thick layer of dust on his copy of Halo 4, right? The practical spokesperson for that time the thread was made who clearly put down 343 and Halo 4 pretty much as abominations.

Haha. Nope. This guy’s even better. SR 130, CSR of 50. Last played Halo 4 about 2 week ago. This guy’s the Halo 4 Grand Champion apparently. Probably owns at least fifty copies of Halo 4 and three Halo 4 Edition Xbox 360’s.

If you all really didn’t like Halo 4 at all, then why are you guys playing it SO ****ing MUCH? Is it friends? Are they dragooning you into playing with them or something? A weird compulsion that makes you play games you hate? Please tell me because I’m lost.

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Maybe he keeps attempting to like it but fails to like it after the effort? I don’t know and I don’t really see how it matters for this individual. You should just address him directly.

It just feels like your grasping at straws if you’re aiming to be a Halo 4 apologetic.

I liked Halo 4 for what it was and I thought 343 did the best they could. The launch and the following couple of months were a success, but no matter what opinion you hold you can’t deny it has not lasted.

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Yeah, I never got that during Reach. Some people saying it destroyed Halo but still played daily, some getting to Inheritor rank.

Oddly enough these people didn’t stop playing until Reach recieved the “no bloom” playlist that they said would save the game.

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> Maybe he keeps attempting to like it but fails to like it after the effort? I don’t know and I don’t really see how it matters for this individual. You should just address him directly.
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> It just feels like your grasping at straws if you’re aiming to be a Halo 4 apologetic.
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> I liked Halo 4 for what it was and I thought 343 did the best they could. The launch and the following couple of months were a success, but no matter what opinion you hold you can’t deny it has not lasted.

I’m assuming you’re talking about the first guy. I talked about another who did the same thing as well. You gotta read it more. So, I wasn’t just using one guy as an example. And besides those two, as I’ve said, I’ve seen this over and over again with people who supposedly hate Halo 4. I just want to know why they’re playing the game so much if it’s so bad.

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I played Halo 4 for so long despite hating it because there are playlists such as Team Snipers and Team Doubles (Doubles Pro) that have allowed me to play non-Infinity gametypes.

Even with all of its flaws, Halo 4 is still more fun to me than any other shooter on the market now.

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> This isn’t the only person I’ve seen like this. So many people come on here complaining about 343 and Halo but soon as you check their service record, you find they’re PLAYING IT AN AWFUL LOT for someone who hates the game
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> If you all really didn’t like Halo 4 at all, then why are you guys playing it SO ****ing MUCH? Is it friends? Are they dragooning you into playing with them or something? A weird compulsion that makes you play games you hate? Please tell me because I’m lost.

Evidently people aren’t playing this game much, you don’t need to look any further than the population thread to understand this.

The people that are left behind, including the people you have referenced, play because they desperately want for this game to be good. It’s not as easy to just leave behind Halo, especially if you’ve followed it for such a long time. (Personally) When it comes down to it Halo 4 is a disappointment and a sub par game, but the Halo fan in me cannot let go and continues its attempts to fool my mind into accepting Halo 4 for what it is.

Other people, irrespective of their opinion of the game, are just completionists and find value/satisfaction in mastering every task the game has to offer.

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> If you all really didn’t like Halo 4 at all, then why are you guys playing it SO ****ing MUCH?

Well one because I like Halo and want to make the effort to attempt to enjoy this one. Two, just because there are negative aspects that I absolutely despise doesn’t mean anything is broken or wrong, nor does my opinion magically make it so that I am not allowed to play the game. And three:

The best way to truly understand what is wrong with a game is to play it. I could have just stopped after 3 games saying that I didn’t like it, or that it didn’t feel right, but instead I stayed and continued to learn what there was to learn. Every game has a learning curve, regardless how small and I decided (being Halo) I would learn what I could.

I learned to use and abuse the power of jetpack, the DMR (pre update), promethean vision. I learned what I could about what I thought to be broken to better draw out the point that there could be flaws or broken items within the game. Had I just stopped and said “I hate x but I’m not sure y” (see what I did there?) nobody would listen to me, because there’s no point being made. So I learned in order to prove my point, to use evidence and ideas to support my claims against items I believe to be detrimental to the game.

And that’s not to say I didn’t enjoy it either. Legendary BR’s was fun. Forge was fun. Custom games and Snipers and Swat was fun. I enjoyed learning, I enjoyed the challenge of adapting to the new settings and the new maps. I enjoyed figuring out what this game was about and the most effective way to play it, as well as the best way I could enjoy it. That’s what I’ve always done with Halo, I’ve learned. I learned the jumps, the tricks and the glitches. I learned to forge, to design balanced competitive maps. It’s enjoyable to learn new things as you go along.

But at the end of the day I also learned of the flaws, the problems that really detracted from the overall enjoyment of the game. Every Halo game has had them, Halo 2 was riddled with them, but Halo 4’s drove me away. Jetpack, camo, promie vision, plasma pistol and grenade loadouts… The inability to effectively plan a strategy based on the random outcome of almost everything in the game… These things were problems, from a competitive standpoint, and very significant ones for my playstyle. I still tried to have fun in any way I could.

I played because I liked the game, not because I enjoyed everything in it. So I voice my opinion of the negative things on the forums and work for change where I can. It’s not that I truly hate Halo 4, but there are a lot of things that really make it unplayable for me, more so because the company in charge refuses to address them. And they’ve done good work too. The game isn’t nearly as bad as it was on release, but there are still so many things that push me away. That’s why I’m here, hoping to put my word in, in hopes these problems aren’t repeated in the future.

So yeah, I say negative things about Halo 4. I wouldn’t call it the best or even a truly good Halo game by any stretch of the imagination. In fact I’d say it’s the Halo game I enjoyed the least, but that doesn’t mean I can’t play it nor does it mean it isn’t enjoyable.

I like the game, just not everything in it.

Does that answer your question, OP?

Also, you may want to remove that quote and the posters name. Partly because that thread is locked and could be referred to as reposting previously moderated content, and secondly because calling out members is against forum rules.

Anyway, have a good day.

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People have this preconceived notion that halo 4 was a continuation of story and mp.

343i set out to continue the story and innovate the mp and firefight.they made no promises that the game would play like any halo before it. Are there things wrong, sure and they admitted to those errors. They tried to rectify those as much as they could within the limitations of the code.

If you view the game as a new halo game, its not that bad. If you view it as a continued version of another then you set yourself up for disappointment.

To believe that a switch can just be flipped and everything is going to be fixed your sorely mistaken. Some of the hatred is justified, but for the most part unjustified.

As players you have two choices. Play the game or don’t. Its pretty simple. If you don’t like it why continue to play it.

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I’m in the same boat as the guy you are lampooning - and I’m surprised the moderators haven’t given the OP a warning and had the post red flagged as this is basically an attack on “Ace Bullets” comments. I have been sanctioned for less than this what he’s spouting here.

I can’t speak for him, but the only reason that I played up until June 2 was because new updates were coming every so often out and I hoped (blindly) that 343 would listen to us and instead of tuning weapons or maps, they would fix things like Lag due to poor host selection in the setup servers (H4 is the laggiest multiplayer game I played on a regular basis), and add options like “Best Connection” or “Local Only Hosts” etc. to make multiplayer or Co-op Campaign / SPos playable. I have since given up hope they will fix it now and the game is dead to me, just as it is for the 400,000 others that played it multiplayer and are now gone in the firs month. I only play Halo Reach for my Halo Fix and have none of the issues that H4 has for online play.

The best thing 343i can do is to let H4 continue in it’s lingering death throws (for multiplayer) in a quiet manner and then hope we all forget it even existed (the release of titles like BF4, Destiny, COD Ghosts, GTA 5 etc. will help distract us) over the next year, before they bring out H5 in the late summer or fall of 2014.

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> 343i set out to continue the story and innovate the mp and firefight.they made no promises that the game would play like any halo before it. Are there things wrong, sure and they admitted to those errors. They tried to rectify those as much as they could within the limitations of the code.
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> If you view the game as a new halo game, its not that bad. If you view it as a continued version of another then you set yourself up for disappointment.

If a new Halo game doesn’t play like its predecessors, why even call it Halo?

> As players you have two choices. Play the game or don’t. Its pretty simple. If you don’t like it why continue to play it.

Done: they’re not continuing to play it. There’s only so long people can hold onto a dead game. And when I say that, I don’t mean dead as in population; I mean dead as in fundamentally flawed, both due to default gametype settings and the lack of certain features that existed in previous games.

I can only speak for myself here. Halo has been my favorite game since 2001. Reach was a letdown to me (due to the massive bloom and some imbalanced AAs), and I had high hopes that Halo 4 would play more like Halo 3. But it didn’t, and so I was let down again. There is no other game like Halo on the market, so where am I supposed to go?

When I voice my concerns (although I agree that some people go pretty far overboard), I am hoping that 343i will listen to me and the others like me and bring Halo back to what it was. I would rather them create a new franchise than continue to bring Halo down the path of classes and randomness.

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> > 343i set out to continue the story and innovate the mp and firefight.they made no promises that the game would play like any halo before it. Are there things wrong, sure and they admitted to those errors. They tried to rectify those as much as they could within the limitations of the code.
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> > If you view the game as a new halo game, its not that bad. If you view it as a continued version of another then you set yourself up for disappointment.
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> If a new Halo game doesn’t play like its predecessors, why even call it Halo?
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> > As players you have two choices. Play the game or don’t. Its pretty simple. If you don’t like it why continue to play it.
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> Done: they’re not continuing to play it. There’s only so long people can hold onto a dead game. And when I say that, I don’t mean dead as in population; I mean dead as in fundamentally flawed, both due to default gametype settings and the lack of certain features that existed in previous games.
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> I can only speak for myself here. Halo has been my favorite game since 2001. Reach was a letdown to me (due to the massive bloom and some imbalanced AAs), and I had high hopes that Halo 4 would play more like Halo 3. But it didn’t, and so I was let down again. There is no other game like Halo on the market, so where am I supposed to go?
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> When I voice my concerns (although I agree that some people go pretty far overboard), I am hoping that 343i will listen to me and the others like me and bring Halo back to what it was. I would rather them create a new franchise than continue to bring Halo down the path of classes and randomness.

Hey, I feel you man, but we are all in the same boat. This game, cant be fixed. Sorry to say it.
Halo 5 will be make or break it for the franchise. We just have to wait and see.

The beating of the dead horse though is growing tiresome, you and I both know it. They cant “fix” the game anymore than what has already been implemented. So hostile threats, hate speak, ill-will directed towards 343i, and bickering amongst the community is no longer serving a purpose other than showing that as a community we cant work together for change.

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> > > 343i set out to continue the story and innovate the mp and firefight.they made no promises that the game would play like any halo before it. Are there things wrong, sure and they admitted to those errors. They tried to rectify those as much as they could within the limitations of the code.
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> > > If you view the game as a new halo game, its not that bad. If you view it as a continued version of another then you set yourself up for disappointment.
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> > If a new Halo game doesn’t play like its predecessors, why even call it Halo?
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> > > As players you have two choices. Play the game or don’t. Its pretty simple. If you don’t like it why continue to play it.
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> > Done: they’re not continuing to play it. There’s only so long people can hold onto a dead game. And when I say that, I don’t mean dead as in population; I mean dead as in fundamentally flawed, both due to default gametype settings and the lack of certain features that existed in previous games.
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> > I can only speak for myself here. Halo has been my favorite game since 2001. Reach was a letdown to me (due to the massive bloom and some imbalanced AAs), and I had high hopes that Halo 4 would play more like Halo 3. But it didn’t, and so I was let down again. There is no other game like Halo on the market, so where am I supposed to go?
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> > When I voice my concerns (although I agree that some people go pretty far overboard), I am hoping that 343i will listen to me and the others like me and bring Halo back to what it was. I would rather them create a new franchise than continue to bring Halo down the path of classes and randomness.
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> Halo 5 will be make or break it for the Halo’'s multiplayer. We just have to wait and see.

Fixed

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> Evidently people aren’t playing this game much, you don’t need to look any further than the population thread to understand this.
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> The people that are left behind, including the people you have referenced, play because they desperately want for this game to be good. It’s not as easy to just leave behind Halo, especially if you’ve followed it for such a long time. (Personally) When it comes down to it Halo 4 is a disappointment and a sub par game, but the Halo fan in me cannot let go and continues its attempts to fool my mind into accepting Halo 4 for what it is.
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> Other people, irrespective of their opinion of the game, are just completionists and find value/satisfaction in mastering every task the game has to offer.

Ah, but you don’t have to just stop play Halo if didn’t like 4. Why don’t you just play any of the other Halo’s?

> I’m in the same boat as the guy you are lampooning - and I’m surprised the moderators haven’t given the OP a warning and had the post red flagged as this is basically an attack on “Ace Bullets” comments. I have been sanctioned for less than this what he’s spouting here.
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> I can’t speak for him, but the only reason that I played up until June 2 was because new updates were coming every so often out and I hoped (blindly) that 343 would listen to us and instead of tuning weapons or maps, they would fix things like Lag due to poor host selection in the setup servers (H4 is the laggiest multiplayer game I played on a regular basis), and add options like “Best Connection” or “Local Only Hosts” etc. to make multiplayer or Co-op Campaign / SPos playable. I have since given up hope they will fix it now and the game is dead to me, just as it is for the 400,000 others that played it multiplayer and are now gone in the firs month. I only play Halo Reach for my Halo Fix and have none of the issues that H4 has for online play.
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> The best thing 343i can do is to let H4 continue in it’s lingering death throws (for multiplayer) in a quiet manner and then hope we all forget it even existed (the release of titles like BF4, Destiny, COD Ghosts, GTA 5 etc. will help distract us) over the next year, before they bring out H5 in the late summer or fall of 2014.

But you can just check for any updates online. And if you just wanted to check on the status of the game, surely a few games every two weeks or so would be enough to give you an accurate representation of the current state of it?

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That’s a good question op. I think the answer is that halo 4 bashing is simply fashionable around here. Or maybe he just went 2 and 7 before rage quitting and coming here to vent with a scapegoat.

I feel bad for people who can’t enjoy halo 4 due to their blinding nostalgia and inflexible ideology over how halo should be. It literally prevents them from having fun with halo 4. Oh well I’m glad that’s not me.

The saddest part is how much better halo 4 is than older halos. Take someone who has never played halo before, then have him play halo 4 then say halo 3, he would instinctively know how much better halo 4 is.

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> If you all really didn’t like Halo 4 at all, then why are you guys playing it SO ****ing MUCH? Is it friends? Are they dragooning you into playing with them or something? A weird compulsion that makes you play games you hate? Please tell me because I’m lost.

Yeah, have you noticed the population lately? We don’t. Are you really judging all of us based on this one lone guy? Are you serious?

Okay, back when I played it (which hasn’t been for, what, like, at least 4 months now) I logged in more time than I’d care to admit (although the time my profile has on it was shared between a few people), because in all honestly, I actually genuinely used to enjoy playing it… at least for a little while. It didn’t last forever.

After it started dawning on me what this game really was like, I eventually realized that I was continuing to play this game only because of what I WANTED it to be, and not for what the game really WAS.

When Legendary Slayer ended up being yet another case of 343 only ever meeting us halfway, I just gave up on it altogether.

And now here we are 4 months later, and I haven’t so much as popped the disc in, or even taken it out of its case once (not even for the campaign which I’ll still admit to being awesome).

So, how about this? If you’re going to base your entire perception of the people who hate this game around one guy, why not base it around me?

Not once have I seen a single person defend Halo 4 without using insanely flawed logic.

(And I hate myself for getting dragged back into this pointless and never ending debate.)

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> The saddest part is how much better halo 4 is than older halos. Take someone who has never played halo before, then have him play halo 4 then say halo 3, he would instinctively know how much better halo 4 is.

The 90 percent of the Halo fanbase that this game drove away disagree with you.

Let me guess, either Reach or Halo 4 were your first Halos. Halo 4 is an absolute travesty. It’s pretty much the sole blemish on the record of a franchise known for consistent quality, customization, vast features and balance.

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Opinions change.

If you check my recent posts, many of the first ones are trashing Halo 4, and many of them are true and I still feel strong about some. At the time I had left Halo 4 for Halo Reach.

A few weeks ago I decided to pop in Halo 4 to see if any improvements were made. There were:

  • more playlists (ricochet, BTB, return of team slayer)
  • faster killing times
  • less lagging during games
  • more skilled players
    Halo 4 seemed to be much better second time around.

But my main opinion is still the same: Halo Reach is better than Halo 4, but Halo 4 has improved since I played it at release. As the games change, our opinion changes on the game too. Of course there are people who come on here just to vent, but people should not be held to one opinion. I mean, if someone is always changing their opinion they are a fraud, but a change of view shows how we have grown and how our views have changed over time. I think we can all connect to this.

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> But you can just check for any updates online. And if you just wanted to check on the status of the game, surely a few games every two weeks or so would be enough to give you an accurate representation of the current state of it?

343i has rarely posted anything indicating what was or was not fixed in an update. They speak realms about tuning this and tuning that and then break all sorts of stuff (people are still struggling with random resets of all their load outs since the Championship bundle).

So the only way to see if something was changed is to play it and see if it’s any better. If your lagged 50% + of the time by 0.5+ seconds, you have to play a few dozen games before you can tell if anything has been definitively fixed or not.

And I wanted to like H4, but the lag ended it for me.

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Please refrain from calling out individuals when discussing Halo’s online population.