Lizn7 is the onyx player Darwi can you explain why someone with less than a 2 out 5 win rate is onyx?
Well, i met really different skilled Onyx player. There are Onyx player where i dont understand how they get the rank. But i met also Onyx player who are tremendous skilled.
Like today, there was a Onyx player in a ranked objective match, thankfully he was in the same team like me, that went something like 50+ kills and only 9 deaths.
I watched the cinema / replay of the match. All legit kills. I wish i had this reaction any accuracy. Just amazing how many perfects he had.
Need more context.
How many games had they played?
Who had they played with and/or against?
If those wins were against higher Onyx players and the three losses were against Onxy players… you can easily understand how they could be Onyx.
The other, less palatable option, is that they are naturally very high Onyx and they are Smurfing themselves to low Onyx to show off.
You’ll probably get the thread locked out calling out gamertags…
But looking at Halo Data Hive they have 40k kills at a K/D of 1.25. They clearly hold their own at Onyx level.
It also has them down for a 45% W/L. So not that bad.
76% headshot! Lifetime KDA over 5. 11.3m damage dealt vs 9.6m taken.
Looks pretty legit?
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That’s not that good and it’s only 39percent 568 wins in 1410 matches at… 1.23 kd to be precise isn’t THAT good. Darwi your numbers are exaggerated. Why exaggerate?
Im sorry, but thats the real skill in slayer not for an objective gamemode.
Just an example:
Two D3 player in a ranked slayer match. Player 1 k/d 1.5, no double kills etc. Player 2 k/d 2.0 a few perfects and doubles. Which one did perfom better? Player 2.
Two D3 player, objective match, strongholds, they win the match. Player 1 score, 20 capture k/d 0.8, Player 2 score 10 capture k/d 1.5
Both player contributed a lot to win the match. Player 1 captured a lot and raised the possibility to hold more than 1 stronghold simultaneously. Player 2 stopped other player to capture the stronghold.
Which one performed better?
Not exaggerating.
From Halo Data Hive; career total 2,420 games. 1,080 wins. 45% win rate. 40,001 kills!
If you narrow down to Season 2 ranked… 40% win rate. But still has some pretty solid stats (vs Onyx opponents). Who knows why they are down on their career stats though?
The harsh reality is that the good players play objective AND get kills.
As Josh Menke once said (Halo 5 forum) - anyone can carry the flag from A to B, the real skill is to clear the path! And as much as I love to play the objective, he is right.
Don’t focus too hard on K/D. Often it tells nothing more than that the player was protecting their stats. I can camp to get 4 kills and 2 death and then hide for the rest of the game and finish with a 2.0 K/D. Not going to help me with the win though.
Remember that it’s kills per minute (kpm).
And it’s only a weighting.
You could probably rank up faster if you concentrate on nothing but kpm. But you won’t rank higher. Once you find opponents of similar skill to your own it’s REALLY hard to push up your kpm. It’s not as easy to manipulate as K/D.
The objective player, providing they are still W>L will still rank up. Just a bit slower. And they may actually end up ranking higher than their kpm would otherwise allow.
At some stage both of these players are going to have to play objective and maintain a kpm to level up.
Remember, it’s a weighting. Not the be all. You have to keep winning. And we’re not talking a huge weighting. Doubling your KPM barely gives you a 5% increase in win prediction. Nor is it a huge target - you need to maintain 1.5 kpm or so vs your target rank.
And there is no reason an objective player should be having bad stats. You should be getting kills to win or get back the objective. You shouldn’t be dying just to get objective points (every second out of the game is bad for your team). If you are not dropping the oddball to fight the incoming enemy you are doing yourself and the team a disservice.
Your K/D may suffer a bit. But your kpm shouldn’t be that far apart. At least not far enough apart to dramatically affect your final MMR.
In that particular game - it’s a loaded question. But for your overall rank - whichever player helps their team get the most wins against the toughest opposition.
The W/L will sort them all out.
PS. I’m not trying to offend or belittle anyone here. Just wanted to make this clear as discussing some of these points can come across as “elitist”. And that’s definitely not the pulpit I’m preaching from.
It’s important to play the objective. And it’s frustrating when you don’t feel rewarded or (even worse) someone else in your team is ignoring their fair share of the work.
I’m not a high level player. I always play the objective. I consider myself, proudly, to be a team player.
But ranking systems such as TrueSkill2 have shown that the best indicator of good team play is the win. It encompasses all the rainbow of skills. It may not do your effort justice in a game here or there, but over the course of time your W/L doesn’t lie.
But as an aside, whether we like it or not, they found that adding a slight emphasis to kpm increases the accuracy of the system. I don’t think this lessens any of the other metrics we hold so dear. Even ones we don’t necessarily measure (like good communication).
Just get out there and do whatever it takes to win. Your rank will take care of itself.
And importantly, for your own sanity. Stop micro-analysing the CSR changes on a game by game basis. And especially don’t try to read your personal performance into it. It’s not there in any way, shape, or form.
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I know why you think tru skill is good now, you have a tough time reading the numbers maybe Darwi? hope your not the mathematician of the group 
Surely the respectful response would be… “I’ve looked a bit closer at their games and it appears…”. Then I could have a chance to respond. Maybe have a closer look myself. As opposed to a quick glance and message as I’m running out the door from work to get to Top Gun on time.
We could continue a meaningful discourse and maybe come to understand what’s going on.
Or, you could just insult me. And I can go catch some Pokemon instead.
Darwi I appreciate all the information you’ve provided on the rankings system. Clearly people get emotional and take their rank very much to heart. It’s not a perfect system but I’m sure it will improve over time
Ah… bugger it.
Took a look at their last three ranked games. Their opponents were pretty much 10 Onyx players (including an 1800+), a Diamond 6, and two unranked players who did pretty well (21:13) between them.
Now. Happy to chat about the fact they didn’t do all that well vs those players… or the next couple of pages seemed to be playing with a G3 buddy. Maybe they were just playing with a friend. Maybe they were milking for CSR. But if so then the system has just caught up with them.
Another thing that frustrates me to no end is being matched against Onyx 1600+ players in ranked.
How hard is it to matchmake based on CSR? At the end of the day if you are far better than your CSR suggests then you will move out of that bracket very quickly. I’m sick of seeing teams ranging from P5 to Onyx 1800. Sure, the TEAMS may be ‘fair’, but it damn well isn’t fair for the P5