What's the goal of this community?

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I want to ask you guys something: What is your goal? As far as being on these forums, talking about how Halo 4 is un-competitive, how it could be changed and what’s wrong with it.

I think that most of us can agree that Halo 4 is not as competitive as the older Halo games, and the gameplay has ‘changed’ a little. This doesn’t mean it’s a bad game. But most of the community here on this website doesn’t like it. There are a lot of people here that point out Halo 4’s mistakes, and try to prove it’s a bad game, and say repeatedly what could be done to make it better.

BUT…

What are you trying to accomplish? What result do you want out of this… constant complaining? Do you really think 343 is going to change Halo 4 to the way you want it? Are you trying to tell 343 how they should make Halo 5? Or are you just trying to prove to everyone that Halo 4 is bad?

No matter what you are doing you need to know your goal and you need to work for it.

If you want 343 to change Halo 4, (or give you a classic playlist) then you need to work for it! You need to tell 343 what you want!

If you want 343 to make Halo 5 more ‘classic’ then that’s what you need to tell them!

If you are just trying to prove to everyone how bad Halo 4 is… then I think you’re stupid and you won’t accomplish anything.

We as a community can do this! If you think that the majority of players don’t like Halo 4 the way it is then we should be able to change the game. What should our goal be? To give us a classic playlist in Halo 4? To say how we want Halo 5?

Because you know what, this random complaining isn’t going to change anything unless we work together and tell them what we want. I can tell you now that if you guys keep going on like you have you won’t change anything. You are just complaining, you are just trying to prove that Halo 4 is bad. That’s not going to do anything.

I’m not really sure how we are going to get 343 to listen to you, but you certainly aren’t doing a good job of it now.

The one thing I recommend is that you play Team Throwdown.

I know some of you guys still are not content with Team Throwdown, but you should play it anyway. Why? Because if Team Throwdown is the most played playlist, then maybe 343 will get the idea into their heads. The idea that we want classic, competitive Halo.

But no, the most played playlists are Big Team Infinity Slayer and Infinity Slayer. You know what 343 makes of that? They think that the majority of Halo players like custom classes, and ordinance drop. And the will probably do something similar in Halo 5 if that’s what most of the players are playing.

You guys want to prove something, you guys want Halo to change, but you aren’t doing it right. 343 will not listen do you, you are a petty minority of complainers on a forum. If you really want classic back, you are going to have to do better than this.

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I 100% agree with you. Most of us live in Republican societies where are laws are made by the people for the people. Here we have an opportunity to tell 343i what we think and many abuse it though vulgar hatred of the game and even 343i. People need to get their heads up and focus on making a better game WITH actually improvements.

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> The one thing I recommend is that you play Halo 3.

Fixed. Halo 3 is light-years better than Halo 4. It’s a shame that the population is so low.

On topic, I’m not touching Halo 4. I know what is wrong with the game, and I am no longer going to torture myself by playing it unless I’m messing around with friends.

I am complaining so that Halo 4 can be improved which will show the Halo community that 343i can get things right and we should feel confident in trusting them with out favourite franchise. But, 343i can’t even get Fiesta right (apparently), so I’m going to stay here and complain until something gets done.

Edit: There are many constructive threads out there, I’ve made a few. But the threads that stay alive the longest are usually the troll/illiterate threads. Sometimes you have to get angry in order to have your voice heard.

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Their goal is to push their own agenda at the expense of other players.

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> > The one thing I recommend is that you play Halo 3.
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> Fixed. Halo 3 is light-years better than Halo 4. It’s a shame that the population is so low.
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> On topic, I’m not touching Halo 4. I know what is wrong with the game, and I am no longer going to torture myself by playing it unless I’m messing around with friends.
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> I am complaining so that Halo 4 can be improved which will show the Halo community that 343i can get things right and we should feel confident in trusting them with out favourite franchise. But, 343i can’t even get Fiesta right (apparently), so I’m going to stay here and complain until something gets done.
>
> Edit: There are many constructive threads out there, I’ve made a few. But the threads that stay alive the longest are usually the troll/illiterate threads. Sometimes you have to get angry in order to have your voice heard.

From a purely technical netcode point of view Halo 3 is far less playable than Reach or Halo 4 for that matter. Halo 3 had non-hitscan weapons and melees that favour host and generally speaking USA based players far more than international players.

While you may subjectively prefer the game mechanics of Halo 3 technically speaking for “online fairness of competition” Halo 3 is in fact light years behind Reach or Halo 4. Just thought I would point that out.

On Topic: Being professional will get you a lot further than yelling and screaming about game mechanics. Take a look at the player survey by Rigest, that is a far better approach to helping the community than a personal bias post or jibe.

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> I am complaining so that Halo 4 can be improved which will show the Halo community that 343i can get things right and we should feel confident in trusting them with out favourite franchise. But, 343i can’t even get Fiesta right (apparently), so I’m going to stay here and complain until something gets done.

So is your goal to have 343 change Halo 4? (because they surely won’t do that.) Or is your goal to shape Halo 5?

> Edit: There are many constructive threads out there, I’ve made a few. But the threads that stay alive the longest are usually the troll/illiterate threads. Sometimes you have to get angry in order to have your voice heard.

There are definitely some constructive threads out there. But still they fail to say exactly what result they want. Should we shoot to make a classic playlist? Change Halo 4 completely? Or shape Halo 5?

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Some people are genuinely interested in providing their feedback in the hopes that 343i can use it to improve some aspect of the game. They pay attention to publicly-available information, they try to stay up-to-date on the game, and they take care in how they word their comments.

Some people literally just sit around looking for reasons to complain, no matter how minor. When presented with facts and concrete justifications, they choose to rant, rave, exaggerate, and distort information. Misery loves company, I suppose.

The mistake that many fans make is to lump the former in with the latter. “There are people who hate the game and can’t be constructive about it; therefore all dislike of the game is baseless.” It’s a fallacy that makes fans and detractors alike look bad. :\

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> So is your goal to have 343 change Halo 4? (because they surely won’t do that.) Or is your goal to shape Halo 5?

We need to get 343i to change Halo 4, in order for them to realise how to shape Halo 5.

> There are definitely some constructive threads out there. But still they fail to say exactly what result they want. Should we shoot to make a classic playlist? Change Halo 4 completely? Or shape Halo 5?

We need a Halo 3 Social and Ranked playlist. We need to re-work Halo 4 to give a sturdy base for Halo 5 to build off. There are many threads explaining exactly this and more.

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I regularly post topics and comments about the exact changes I would like to see and how I would prefer they be implemented as do many on this forum, and that fact that you know the reason most people complain proves that as a group people aren’t just saying halo 4 is bad, but they are also giving reasons, and in many cases solutions.

When you say “you” please be more specific as to who you are addressing.

I want multi-team.

I want objective BTB(sound like it’s coming!).

I want more custom options, gametypes, and variants(including assymetrical versions).

I want a balanced social slayer(which neither infinity or throwdown qualify as).

If I play throwdown, they will think that is what I want and they will be content. I don’t want them to think that, I’d rather them think that this is the least successful online halo multiplayer ever(which it is). And I’d rather tell them how I feel here.

Sure the infinity playlists have large populations compared to other playlists in the same game, but even compared to Reach, their numbers are abysmal. If 343 really measures its success by comparing playlist numbers to other playlist numbers, then their thought process is meaningless. What truly matters is the overall success if the game compared to its competators and previous titles. In that regard it is failing. If 343 has any sense at all it will listen to it’s consumers and fans, and that’s where we come in here at the forum. And I will continue to voice my opinion here. And I will continue to play the game how and when want to meet my goals. Thanks for the advice though, I know it was sincere if not slightly back handed and overly generalized across the whole community.

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Maybe a Million Spartan March to Seattle?

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> From a purely technical netcode point of view Halo 3 is far less playable than Reach or Halo 4 for that matter. Halo 3 had non-hitscan weapons and melees that favour host and generally speaking USA based players far more than international players.
>
> While you may subjectively prefer the game mechanics of Halo 3 technically speaking for “online fairness of competition” Halo 3 is in fact light years behind Reach or Halo 4. Just thought I would point that out.
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> On Topic: Being professional will get you a lot further than yelling and screaming about game mechanics. Take a look at the player survey by Rigest, that is a far better approach to helping the community than a personal bias post or jibe.

I disagree with the first statement, regardless of hitscan or no hitscan whoever is host still has a major advantage. Client-side hit registration is horrible, we need Server-side hit registration as this will eliminate the majority of “He shot me when I was around the corner” scenarios.
Also, Halo 3 and Reach had a MM filter, which reduced the chance of playing in laggy foreign-hosted games.

I don’t fully understand what you mean by the second point.

The survey by Rigest is one instance, there are obviously many more instances. But look how many negative threads are constantly bumped to page 1. I’ve made a good few negative posts [Which the mods are well aware of ;D], and they get more attention than the constructive posts which take me up to 30 minutes to write explaining what I would like to see changed.

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Anyway, I’m calling it a day. It’s 3:30am over here in England and I have a party to attend tomorrow. Goodnight guys.

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PARTY ON!!!

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OP. Thank you for trying to Shepard the loose cannons on this forum.
While i agree with your methods, i do not agree to the outcome of a ‘classic’ Halo 5.

Personally speaking, I’ve played this series for 12 years and while I’ll advocate for a classically ranked matchmaking system, I’ve also grown tired of it.

The good majority of Halo Players who do not frequent this forum play the Infinity Playlists for a reason. They want change. They were the players of Halo 1, 2 and 3. They ‘are’ Halo’s fans but they want change as well. This is why they’re on those playlists.

The minority on here just want to complain for the sake of complaining. I’ve seen this with every release of Halo. They oppose what is new until the next game release where they turn around and ask for those exact options back.

However it can be said that with the release of Halo 4, we’ve started a war of sorts between the ‘classics’ and the New school. This is a fruitless attempt to see who can shout the most. Nothing more, nothing less. If people actually wanted to make a difference than they wouldn’t be worried on how they’re seen in the forum, they would be worried about posting in the right threads that 343i themselves frequent.

In the end; the last reason as to why i disagree with your wanted outcome OP is because i would like a different standard of Halo Competitive play. I move that we evolve the Infinity playlist into a competitive mode. Now, yes the game needs updating; connection filters need to be put into place, balancing needs to be done, and playlist settings changed to suit competitive play. However, keeping AA, personal load outs and a better system of ordinance in an competitive environment will reborn this game.

Halo done this exact same thing with Halo 2. They changed the way arena shooters like Quake and Counter Strike played online. It can be done again. This is Halo’s new trilogy after all.

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I come here to make lame Halo related jokes and beg for BTB objectives and Multi Team.

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> OP. Thank you for trying to Shepard the loose cannons on this forum.
> While i agree with your methods, i do not agree to the outcome of a ‘classic’ Halo 5.
>
> Personally speaking, I’ve played this series for 12 years and while I’ll advocate for a classically ranked matchmaking system, I’ve also grown tired of it.
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> The good majority of Halo Players who do not frequent this forum play the Infinity Playlists for a reason. They want change. They were the players of Halo 1, 2 and 3. They ‘are’ Halo’s fans but they want change as well. This is why they’re on those playlists.
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> The minority on here just want to complain for the sake of complaining. I’ve seen this with every release of Halo. They oppose what is new until the next game release where they turn around and ask for those exact options back.
>
> However it can be said that with the release of Halo 4, we’ve started a war of sorts between the ‘classics’ and the New school. This is a fruitless attempt to see who can shout the most. Nothing more, nothing less. If people actually wanted to make a difference than they wouldn’t be worried on how they’re seen in the forum, they would be worried about posting in the right threads that 343i themselves frequent.
>
> In the end; the last reason as to why i disagree with your wanted outcome OP is because i would like a different standard of Halo Competitive play. I move that we evolve the Infinity playlist into a competitive mode. Now, yes the game needs updating; connection filters need to be put into place, balancing needs to be done, and playlist settings changed to suit competitive play. However, keeping AA, personal load outs and a better system of ordinance in an competitive environment will reborn this game.
>
> Halo done this exact same thing with Halo 2. They changed the way arena shooters like Quake and Counter Strike played online. It can be done again. This is Halo’s new trilogy after all.

Very good post. I agree with you. I’d like you to know that I really do like like Halo 4, the change is nice, it works well with Halo, it’s fresh. While I would like more classic gameplay for Halo 5, I wouldn’t really mind if they made it different. This threads purpose was more for the “Shepard” part.

People give Halo 4 a lot of crap it doesn’t deserve.

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> I want to ask you guys something: What is your goal? As far as being on these forums, talking about how Halo 4 is un-competitive, how it could be changed and what’s wrong with it.
>
> I think that most of us can agree that Halo 4 is not as competitive as the older Halo games, and the gameplay has ‘changed’ a little. This doesn’t mean it’s a bad game. But most of the community here on this website doesn’t like it. There are a lot of people here that point out Halo 4’s mistakes, and try to prove it’s a bad game, and say repeatedly what could be done to make it better.
>
> BUT…
>
> What are you trying to accomplish? What result do you want out of this… constant complaining? Do you really think 343 is going to change Halo 4 to the way you want it? Are you trying to tell 343 how they should make Halo 5? Or are you just trying to prove to everyone that Halo 4 is bad?
>
> No matter what you are doing you need to know your goal and you need to work for it.
>
> If you want 343 to change Halo 4, (or give you a classic playlist) then you need to work for it! You need to tell 343 what you want!
>
> If you want 343 to make Halo 5 more ‘classic’ then that’s what you need to tell them!
>
> If you are just trying to prove to everyone how bad Halo 4 is… then I think you’re stupid and you won’t accomplish anything.
>
> We as a community can do this! If you think that the majority of players don’t like Halo 4 the way it is then we should be able to change the game. What should our goal be? To give us a classic playlist in Halo 4? To say how we want Halo 5?
>
> Because you know what, this random complaining isn’t going to change anything unless we work together and tell them what we want. I can tell you now that if you guys keep going on like you have you won’t change anything. You are just complaining, you are just trying to prove that Halo 4 is bad. That’s not going to do anything.
>
> I’m not really sure how we are going to get 343 to listen to you, but you certainly aren’t doing a good job of it now.
>
> The one thing I recommend is that you play Team Throwdown.
>
> I know some of you guys still are not content with Team Throwdown, but you should play it anyway. Why? Because if Team Throwdown is the most played playlist, then maybe 343 will get the idea into their heads. The idea that we want classic, competitive Halo.
>
> But no, the most played playlists are Big Team Infinity Slayer and Infinity Slayer. You know what 343 makes of that? They think that the majority of Halo players like custom classes, and ordinance drop. And the will probably do something similar in Halo 5 if that’s what most of the players are playing.
>
> You guys want to prove something, you guys want Halo to change, but you aren’t doing it right. 343 will not listen do you, you are a petty minority of complainers on a forum. If you really want classic back, you are going to have to do better than this.

My goal is to complain till the DMR is patched

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Despite what they say, 343I does not know Halo. They remove gamemodes everyone loved, remove playlists, limit the sandbox…

They need to be taught what Halo is. Which is why people are so vocal. Some posts are out of rage, others just want to fix the game.

> People give Halo 4 a lot of crap it doesn’t deserve.

Not true. Some sub-communities got shafted harder than others did. They have every right to be bitter.

> I move that we evolve the Infinity playlist into a competitive mode.

This is the only realistic solution. Halo 4 is not going back to Halo 3, but it doesn’t need to devolve into an imbalanced mess either. We need to fix Infinity Slayer, and leave everything else to niche playlists (which also need fixed).

Balanced AA’s.
Remove or simplify perks.
Give perks visual indicators.
New secondaries.
Better designed primaries.

> Do you really think 343 is going to change Halo 4 to the way you want it?

Not entirely. Regardless of what changes they make I will probably disapprove of some of them.

But making the game better for everyone else is a good thing.

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> Some people are genuinely interested in providing their feedback in the hopes that 343i can use it to improve some aspect of the game. They pay attention to publicly-available information, they try to stay up-to-date on the game, and they take care in how they word their comments.
>
> Some people literally just sit around looking for reasons to complain, no matter how minor. When presented with facts and concrete justifications, they choose to rant, rave, exaggerate, and distort information. Misery loves company, I suppose.
>
> The mistake that many fans make is to lump the former in with the latter. “There are people who hate the game and can’t be constructive about it; therefore all dislike of the game is baseless.” It’s a fallacy that makes fans and detractors alike look bad. :\

Things that YOU think are minor. I wish I could spawn w/ 2 pulse grenades. That makes me sad.
I wish Lasky could have been introduced better. That really pissed me off. Most people see it as another cutscene, when that was a big moment for me.

I think the DMR is a big issue.
I thought the boltshot was a big issue. I miss firefight. I wanted a UNSC flying vehicle. I wanted a longer campaign. I wanted a forge world map. I wanted high resolution details on weapons covenent and unsc spartans. Alot of these things deeply affect me. They are not minor.

But hey, if you don’t like it, don’t play it. I will continue to waste my time on things that will never be fixed.

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What I’m saying is that there are people who criticize things that actually matter and that do it in a constructive way… And then there are other people that just pick on anything that’s there to be picked on, no matter how little it is. I am not saying that all complaints are invalid. That’s actually the exact attitude I was opposing with my post.

Judging you solely and entirely from what you just posted, you seem like part of the first group, not the second. Those are all legitimate complaints and I can see how they could cause quite a bit of frustration, or at least disappointment.