What's the difference between AR and LMG?

Is the LMG just like an AR but shoots faster and has a larger magazine?

And specifically, the roles they play and how you would use them. Wouldn’t they both be short-mid range weapons? (unless you can mount the LMG or something)

> Is the LMG just like an AR but shoots faster and has a larger magazine?

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The SAW is more powerful and has a bigger magazine while being able to shoot faster. Also they look nothing alike and the SAW is being put in ordinance drops rather than loadouts like the AR.

Might have little more damage and faster fire rate. Couldn’t tell much from the UNSC weapons trailer. But it does look as if it’s faster.

What it seems to me, the Saw is more powerful, has bigger magazines, but less accuracy.

It is a power weapon and an ordnance drop weapon.

The LMG is an Ordinance Drop only weapon, so its not like they are two primaries that copy each other one being more effective in every way lol

According to the bulletin the saw will do more damage to vehicles.

> The SAW is also incredibly useful as a force modifier when encountering a vehicle on foot. A skilled SAW user will use every tool at his disposal to clear space while shredding surrounding vehicles.

> The SAW is more powerful and has a bigger magazine while being able to shoot faster. Also they look nothing alike and the SAW is being put in ordinance drops rather than loadouts like the AR.

And most likely have a larger spread. Like, the AR would leave a spread the size of your chest from 10 or so feet away, the SAW, will leave about 4 times that size of spread.

From the trailer, the SAW is a bigger, badder AR. Up close, it can tear people apart. At a distance, it can deal much more damage better than an AR with burst damage.

It’s an ordinance drop: Not a power weapon, but something that is definetly useful should you use it right.

The SAW is a power weapon. So it’s like a super AR. On steroids. Deluxe.

> > The SAW is more powerful and has a bigger magazine while being able to shoot faster. Also they look nothing alike and the SAW is being put in ordinance drops rather than loadouts like the AR.
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> And most likely have a larger spread. Like, the AR would leave a spread the size of your chest from 10 or so feet away, the SAW, will leave about 4 times that size of spread.

Exactly, so for those that think the SAW is just a redundent AR mimic, you are sadly mistaken.

More Bullets + Higher Rate or Fire

Also is better vs. vehicles

Lore-wise:
Most likely the the SAW is firing higher charged/greater grain count 7.62mm NATO rounds than the AR and maybe even DMR uses.

The SAW has to make up barrel length with increased firepower behind its rounds because it isn’t bullpup like the AR or DMR which due to their rear-loading design, can fire faster and harder shots than weapons designed like the SAW in talk with standard rounds due to its decreased barrel length.

The lack of bullpup, which allows regular humans to better control ANY 7.62mm NATO round, is given up in favour of a very high RoF weapon with a healthy ammo supply to feed that RoF.
(The drum barrel isn’t necessary to increase RoF, it’s a requirement to make the weapon more compact for quick engagements.)
The benefits for a regular human aren’t much without a bipod. A regular human trying to fire 7.62mm NATO’s with the RoF the SAW has shown while standing would be hilarious. The benefits for a Spartan in suit is HUGE. They may feel recoil due to the power and RoF of the weapon, but they CAN control it.
With the newly gained RoF and magazine count meant for a soldier capable of handling the recoil induced in standard designed fullauto capable battle rifles in the first place, an increase in grain count (charge power) to the bullet can allow the SAW to remain nearly as compact as an AR but retain the power of its potential if it was equipped with a heavy-long barrel.
The impact, in-game but explainable by lore, is that the SAW is not meant to be a long range weapon because too much power is lost at range against such durable enemies as those with shielding and very durable ceramic plating. That’s the role of the SRS99 and to an extent, the DMR. The SAW is knowingly equipped with rounds with the intent of stopping anything in short range and possibly most targets at mid-range. These rounds, if used in the DMR or AR, would render those weapons nearly useless in the roles they are intended for because even though the DMR and AR would fire more powerful rounds, their increased damage would come at the cost of control to the user that isn’t a Spartan.
And since Spartans are the ones to benefit from using more powerful rounds, instead of using the AR or DMR with increased damage rounds, the SAW takes up the role of purposeful intent.
The SAW delivers power greater than the DMR or AR quicker at short range against multiple targets.
It would, if shot in single shots, be a very high ammo count DMR against “soft” targets.

In-game, where the SAW differs from the Turrets is pretty much in range. The SAW is as said, meant for short ranged destruction. It’s nearly a waste to use at range due to a higher RoF and decreased DpH compared to the Turret. The Turret when pulsed at full spin is quite deadly up to mid-range on any target.
It’s likely that the Turret will also spin up to speed, lending a short range advantage to the SAW in combination with the lack of speed reduction.

> Lore-wise:
> Most likely the the SAW is firing higher charged/greater grain count 7.62mm NATO rounds than the AR and maybe even DMR uses.
>
> The SAW has to make up barrel length with increased firepower behind its rounds because it isn’t bullpup like the AR or DMR which due to their rear-loading design, can fire faster and harder shots than weapons designed like the SAW in talk.
>
> The lack of bullpup, which allows regular humans to better control ANY 7.62mm NATO round, is given up in favour of a very high RoF weapon with a healthy ammo supply to feed that RoF.
> (The drum barrel isn’t necessary to increase RoF, it’s a requirement to make the weapon more compact for quick engagements.)
> The benefits for a regular human aren’t much without a bipod. The benefits for a Spartan in suit is HUGE.
> With the newly gained RoF and magazine count meant for a soldier capable of handling the recoil induced in standard designed fullauto capable battle rifles in the first place, an increase in grain count (charge power) to the bullet can allow the SAW to remain nearly as compact as an AR but retain the power of its potential if it was equipped with a heavy-long barrel.
> The impact, in-game but explainable by lore, is that the SAW is not meant to be a long range weapon because too much power is lost at range against such durable enemies as those with shielding and very durable ceramic plating. That’s the role of the SRS99 and to an extent, the DMR. The SAW is knowingly equipped with rounds with the intent of stopping anything in short range and possibly most targets at mid-range. These rounds, if used in the DMR or AR, would render those weapons nearly useless in the roles they are intended for because even though the DMR and AR would fire more powerful rounds, their increased damage would come at the cost of control to the user that isn’t a Spartan.
> And since Spartans are the ones to benefit from using more powerful rounds, instead of using the AR or DMR with increased damage rounds, the SAW takes up the role of purposeful intent.
> The SAW delivers power greater than the DMR or AR quicker at short range against multiple targets.
> It would, if shot in single shots, be a very high count sniper against “soft” targets.
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> In-game, where the SAW differs from the Turrets is pretty much in range. The SAW is as said, meant for short ranged destruction. It’s nearly a waste to use at range due to a higher RoF and decreased DpH compared to the Turret. The Turret when pulsed at full spin is quite deadly up to mid-range on any target.
> It’s likely that the Turret will also spin up to speed, lending a short range advantage to the SAW in combination with the lack of speed reduction.

Is it weird I was just about to post something very similar to this but then I saw you just posted it?

this

VERY IMPORTANT
Please note people that not all LMGs are SAWs, but all SAWs are LMGs.
It’s the same legic for the assault rifle. Not all rifles are assault rifles, but all assault rifles are rifles. :slight_smile:

It is true they will likely share a range niche fairly closely but the SAW is a mid tier/power weapon that you can only find in ordinance while the AR is designed a primary loadout weapon.

Whereas the AR is easier to find and is effective at close range the SAW is an AR on steroids that you will likely want to control when it drops. The AR will likely require burst firing to compete with some of the other primaries but the SAW is all about that full auto power that precision weapon users likely wouldn’t want to fight in close quarters on there own.

> this

Not quite, the advantage of that mini-gun and in-game turret is barrel length over the SAW.
This allows the bullet to gain more speed before exiting the barrel and therefore deliver a harder punch upon impact.
So they both fire slower but harder and farther with more precision.
In short range, the SAW excels at RoF but can land more of those shots, so it can deal more punishment than the slower Turret which needs RoF control to keep it reasonably accurate in a zone where the SAW just absolutely makes holes.

Man, someone can use Reach to make a machinima to that video :wink:

From what I’ve gathered:

AR: fully automatic rifle, very random, intended for mid-close range combat, descent in damage output per second.

SAW: fully automatic, not as random, intended for mid range combat, extremely lethal in damage output per second. It’s basically the best of the BR and the AR in one gun.

Sure, they’re quite similar when it comes to their role on the battlefield, but the SAW/LMG is the “big brother” of the Assaulty Rifle, more of everything.
It has bigger mag and higher fire rate, no doubt more damage and can unlike an AR deal serious damage to (light) vehicles like a Warthog. Hence it’s an ordnance weapon, to be used in times of need, not for cheap sprees ^^