So from the campaign mission we learned that Atriox is looking for something on the Ark using a Cartographer.
Few things this implies:
I am assuming Atriox isn’t going to be able to miss the enormous Halo ring being rebuilt in the centre of the Ark. Also, its control centre and activation index should be on the ring itself. So Atriox wouldn’t be looking on the Ark for that. So he must be looking for something else.
If he was after the big control tower which Truth used to control the array, well, again, I am guessing he would know where that was without using the Cartographer. The same could be said of the Keyship. There would be lots of people who could lead him to these things.
So, its something hidden away on the Ark that Atriox wouldn’t know where to locate it. But, all the Arks primary facilities were used during Halo 3 and so Atriox shouldn’t need the cartographer. This has to be something new.
I reckon he actually is looking for Mendicant Bias. I mean it would be the ultimate trump card to kill Cortana to use a Contender Class AI. Plus, they have said they want the game to mirror Halo CE and a big part of that game was the Covenant unwittingly unleashing this great evil upon the galaxy. A flood infested AI would certainly qualify.
hopefully. Only a few things can compete with Cortana and her noob robot army
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> hopefully. Only a few things can compete with Cortana and her noob robot army
Given that Atriox seems pretty bad I am not that comfortable with him controlling a Contender Class AI. Because then he could usurp Cortana, gain control of the Guardians and Prometheans; then proceed to exterminate the remaining 40% of the human race.
It would only be good IF humanity can get him on side and if he isn’t corrupted by the Flood. Otherwise it would be a disaster. Even just as a vector for the Logic Plague he would present a terrible danger to the galaxy.
i don’t think Atriox could control Mendicant, like the Covies couldn’t control the Flood. I thought Mendicant (or shards of what was once Mendicant) was on humanity’s side, after he “reconciled” and realized his wrong?
Atriox: A super intelligent brute warlord who controls the strongest covenant splinter faction.
Medicant bias: A super intelligent forerunner Contender class AI, built to tacticaly defeat the flood.
Atriox + Mendicant bias = goodbye Cortana
That would be a great story idea. Atriox and mendicant vs Cortana and the guardians, and the humans are caught in the middile. But if Atriox dies in halo wars 2 (the best villain since truth and grave mind) 343 would be wasting lots of potential.
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> That would be a great story idea. Atriox and mendicant vs Cortana and the guardians, and the humans are caught in the middile. But if Atriox dies in halo wars 2 (the best villain since truth and grave mind) 343 would be wasting lots of potential.
you’re right
I have lots to learn of Atriox. What are his motivations? He rebelled against the Covenant so he must not be dumb, even though he still refers to Spartans as “little demons.”
Remember, in the trailer, Isabel says, “At this rate, it will be over soon!”. So that could be a hint of what it is.
Its already been said but Medicant Bias through halo 3’s terminals to be on the same side as the humans. Spoiler warning At the end of halo wars 2 its obvious that Cutter and Atriox are going to play a bigger part in halo as a whole cause let’s be honest nothing really happened story wise other than Cutter meeting Atriox and both going at each other with out knowing each others motives. It was most likely that Atriox was actually trying to find a way to defeat cortana by using the ring (as he arrived after communications to earth shut down which I assume was because of cortana). Eventually Cutter and Atriox could align when they realize there is a bigger threat. Medicant Bias could play a part but he will never be against humans unless cortana can find a way to hack him.
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> Its already been said but Medicant Bias through halo 3’s terminals to be on the same side as the humans. Spoiler warning At the end of halo wars 2 its obvious that Cutter and Atriox are going to play a bigger part in halo as a whole cause let’s be honest nothing really happened story wise other than Cutter meeting Atriox and both going at each other with out knowing each others motives. It was most likely that Atriox was actually trying to find a way to defeat cortana by using the ring (as he arrived after communications to earth shut down which I assume was because of cortana). Eventually Cutter and Atriox could align when they realize there is a bigger threat. Medicant Bias could play a part but he will never be against humans unless cortana can find a way to hack him.
you overestimate brutes’ brains
I say atroix is looking for the didact
I think we just need more background on Atriox as a whole. I’m all for novels and whatnot, but it would be better if we had some in-game content to explain.
Why did he rebel from the Covenant?
Did he believe in their beliefs?
How did he end up at the Ark?
How did he establish such a massive presence on the Ark for being there for only one month?
What’s his endgame? He seems like he should be more than a generic Marvel villain who’s looking for a universe ending weapon.
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> I think we just need more background on Atriox as a whole. I’m all for novels and whatnot, but it would be better if we had some in-game content to explain.
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> Why did he rebel from the Covenant?
> Did he believe in their beliefs?
> How did he end up at the Ark?
> How did he establish such a massive presence on the Ark for being there for only one month?
> What’s his endgame? He seems like he should be more than a generic Marvel villain who’s looking for a universe ending weapon.
- Because they used brutes as expendable muscle. (from in game)
- No he is not a believer of the great journey, decimus, howerver, is, but he hides it. (from in game)
- How he ended up in the ark is part of a bigger picture which would be ruined if we knew now, connected to why Spirit of Fire is there, and probably important in future dlc’s and maybe even Halo 6.
- Don’t see this as odd, he had a lot of forces, and shipmasters mercenaries so… (from in game)
- Power, easy as that
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> I say atroix is looking for the didact
dead. and why should he
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> > Why did he rebel from the Covenant?
> > Did he believe in their beliefs?
> > How did he end up at the Ark?
> > How did he establish such a massive presence on the Ark for being there for only one month?
> > What’s his endgame? He seems like he should be more than a generic Marvel villain who’s looking for a universe ending weapon.
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> - Because they used brutes as expendable muscle. (from in game)
> - No he is not a believer of the great journey, decimus, howerver, is, but he hides it. (from in game)
> - How he ended up in the ark is part of a bigger picture which would be ruined if we knew now, connected to why Spirit of Fire is there, and probably important in future dlc’s and maybe even Halo 6.
> - Don’t see this as odd, he had a lot of forces, and shipmasters mercenaries so… (from in game)
> - Power, easy as that
- Don’t quite know why I asked that lol, the answer was obvious
- There needs to be more exposition on that matter, because it was kind of the core belief of the Covenant - if some of your followers believe it and some don’t, then how can there be a uniting cause? Shouldn’t the Covenant radicals be trying to pursue the Great Journey, or one of its aspects? Wouldn’t they want to follow a prophet instead?
- I wish the reveal would’ve been in-game. It’s pretty silly they didn’t want to include it in this title. Story DLC is also silly.
- It’s totally odd lol. The Ark is absolutely massive - to say that even a shipful of a million Covenant establish such a large presence in 30 earth days is kind of hilarious. Perhaps it’s a concentrated force, but still. It’s a bit outlandish.
- Power is awful motivation and endgame. If that’s it, he needs to go away fast.
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> > > Why did he rebel from the Covenant?
> > > Did he believe in their beliefs?
> > > How did he end up at the Ark?
> > > How did he establish such a massive presence on the Ark for being there for only one month?
> > > What’s his endgame? He seems like he should be more than a generic Marvel villain who’s looking for a universe ending weapon.
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> > - Because they used brutes as expendable muscle. (from in game)
> > - No he is not a believer of the great journey, decimus, howerver, is, but he hides it. (from in game)
> > - How he ended up in the ark is part of a bigger picture which would be ruined if we knew now, connected to why Spirit of Fire is there, and probably important in future dlc’s and maybe even Halo 6.
> > - Don’t see this as odd, he had a lot of forces, and shipmasters mercenaries so… (from in game)
> > - Power, easy as that
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> - Don’t quite know why I asked that lol, the answer was obvious
> - There needs to be more exposition on that matter, because it was kind of the core belief of the Covenant - if some of your followers believe it and some don’t, then how can there be a uniting cause? Shouldn’t the Covenant radicals be trying to pursue the Great Journey, or one of its aspects? Wouldn’t they want to follow a prophet instead?
> - I wish the reveal would’ve been in-game. It’s pretty silly they didn’t want to include it in this title. Story DLC is also silly.
> - It’s totally odd lol. The Ark is absolutely massive - to say that even a shipful of a million Covenant establish such a large presence in 30 earth days is kind of hilarious. Perhaps it’s a concentrated force, but still. It’s a bit outlandish.
> - Power is awful motivation and endgame. If that’s it, he needs to go away fast.
Surviving > religious beliefs. Had decimus come forth with his beliefs he wouldn’t be Atriox’ right hand. Shipmasters forces were non believers who supported the higher bidder. Most of Atriox’ army were either no believers (due to covenant treating them bad) or just to afraid of Atriox.
Reveal will probably be in game, my guess is Halo 6, but i agree, they could do more in game and leave less to books. Love reading the books though
They dont got that massive presence, i mean, Spirit of Fire with a crew of ca. 5000 gave them a pretty hard time.
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> > > > Why did he rebel from the Covenant?
> > > > Did he believe in their beliefs?
> > > > How did he end up at the Ark?
> > > > How did he establish such a massive presence on the Ark for being there for only one month?
> > > > What’s his endgame? He seems like he should be more than a generic Marvel villain who’s looking for a universe ending weapon.
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> > - Don’t quite know why I asked that lol, the answer was obvious
> > - There needs to be more exposition on that matter, because it was kind of the core belief of the Covenant - if some of your followers believe it and some don’t, then how can there be a uniting cause? Shouldn’t the Covenant radicals be trying to pursue the Great Journey, or one of its aspects? Wouldn’t they want to follow a prophet instead?
> > - I wish the reveal would’ve been in-game. It’s pretty silly they didn’t want to include it in this title. Story DLC is also silly.
> > - It’s totally odd lol. The Ark is absolutely massive - to say that even a shipful of a million Covenant establish such a large presence in 30 earth days is kind of hilarious. Perhaps it’s a concentrated force, but still. It’s a bit outlandish.
> > - Power is awful motivation and endgame. If that’s it, he needs to go away fast.
>
> Surviving > religious beliefs. Had decimus come forth with his beliefs he wouldn’t be Atriox’ right hand. Shipmasters forces were non believers who supported the higher bidder. Most of Atriox’ army were either no believers (due to covenant treating them bad) or just to afraid of Atriox.
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> Reveal will probably be in game, my guess is Halo 6, but i agree, they could do more in game and leave less to books. Love reading the books though
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> They dont got that massive presence, i mean, Spirit of Fire with a crew of ca. 5000 gave them a pretty hard time.
Did I just miss the part where Decimus said he was a believer in the Great Journey, or that the Shipmasters forces were non-believers, or that Atriox’s forces would give up their religion just because of their fear of him? I understand the hatred of the Covenant (elites/hierarchy) because of sending their kinfolk into suicide missions - but we’re shown in Halo 2/3 how fanatical the brutes were for the Covenant and its religion. When did the schism between Atriox and the Covenant take place? If it was before the events and exchange of power, then were the brutes less fanatical about the religion then?
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> > > > > I think we just need more background on Atriox as a whole. I’m all for novels and whatnot, but it would be better if we had some in-game content to explain.
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> > > > > Why did he rebel from the Covenant?
> > > > > Did he believe in their beliefs?
> > > > > How did he end up at the Ark?
> > > > > How did he establish such a massive presence on the Ark for being there for only one month?
> > > > > What’s his endgame? He seems like he should be more than a generic Marvel villain who’s looking for a universe ending weapon.
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> Did I just miss the part where Decimus said he was a believer in the Great Journey, or that the Shipmasters forces were non-believers, or that Atriox’s forces would give up their religion just because of their fear of him? I understand the hatred of the Covenant (elites/hierarchy) because of sending their kinfolk into suicide missions - but we’re shown in Halo 2/3 how fanatical the brutes were for the Covenant and its religion. When did the schism between Atriox and the Covenant take place? If it was before the events and exchange of power, then were the brutes less fanatical about the religion then?
“40 to die for beliefs not their own”
I think it was just his clan that didn’t buy into the faith whereas Tartarus and the majority of the Brutes did.
I mean Atriox is an oathbreaker since he had absolutely no proof that the Forerunners weren’t divine unlike the Arbiter. I think even if he did believe it he still would have betrayed them for no other reason than wanting to be in charge.
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> > > > > > Why did he rebel from the Covenant?
> > > > > > Did he believe in their beliefs?
> > > > > > How did he end up at the Ark?
> > > > > > How did he establish such a massive presence on the Ark for being there for only one month?
> > > > > > What’s his endgame? He seems like he should be more than a generic Marvel villain who’s looking for a universe ending weapon.
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> > Did I just miss the part where Decimus said he was a believer in the Great Journey, or that the Shipmasters forces were non-believers, or that Atriox’s forces would give up their religion just because of their fear of him? I understand the hatred of the Covenant (elites/hierarchy) because of sending their kinfolk into suicide missions - but we’re shown in Halo 2/3 how fanatical the brutes were for the Covenant and its religion. When did the schism between Atriox and the Covenant take place? If it was before the events and exchange of power, then were the brutes less fanatical about the religion then?
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> “40 to die for beliefs not their own”
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> I think it was just his clan that didn’t buy into the faith whereas Tartarus and the majority of the Brutes did.
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> I mean Atriox is an oathbreaker since he had absolutely no proof that the Forerunners weren’t divine unlike the Arbiter. I think even if he did believe it he still would have betrayed them for no other reason than wanting to be in charge.
I would just like a little more insight, instead of one line, y’know? Were they being sent on suicide missions because they didn’t believe? What about the grunts/jackals/elites/hunters that joined them? When did this all take place? Halo Wars 2 went really light on the details of the villain, when they should’ve pulled a Halo 2 and given us more in-depth analysis.
Atriox is just a lonely brute looking for love. Halo 6 is about a love triangle between the chief cortana and atriox. But in all seriousness I think Atriox is just trying to build a new home on the ark at the edge of the galaxy away from all the crazy covies and crazy humans, and crazy forerunners.
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> > > > > > > Did he believe in their beliefs?
> > > > > > > How did he end up at the Ark?
> > > > > > > How did he establish such a massive presence on the Ark for being there for only one month?
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> > > Did I just miss the part where Decimus said he was a believer in the Great Journey, or that the Shipmasters forces were non-believers, or that Atriox’s forces would give up their religion just because of their fear of him? I understand the hatred of the Covenant (elites/hierarchy) because of sending their kinfolk into suicide missions - but we’re shown in Halo 2/3 how fanatical the brutes were for the Covenant and its religion. When did the schism between Atriox and the Covenant take place? If it was before the events and exchange of power, then were the brutes less fanatical about the religion then?
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> > “40 to die for beliefs not their own”
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> > I think it was just his clan that didn’t buy into the faith whereas Tartarus and the majority of the Brutes did.
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> > I mean Atriox is an oathbreaker since he had absolutely no proof that the Forerunners weren’t divine unlike the Arbiter. I think even if he did believe it he still would have betrayed them for no other reason than wanting to be in charge.
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> I would just like a little more insight, instead of one line, y’know? Were they being sent on suicide missions because they didn’t believe? What about the grunts/jackals/elites/hunters that joined them? When did this all take place? Halo Wars 2 went really light on the details of the villain, when they should’ve pulled a Halo 2 and given us more in-depth analysis.
They’ve given us more than people think: Atriox’s pack were basically being used like the Covenant’s version of ODSTs/Spartan III companies for decades: send them as spearheads against strongpoints: they were big, vicious, and took a lot of punishment before going down.
Why that pack?
Because they were among the strongest, meanest and most vicious (Darwinism right there).
Why and how did Atriox survive?
Because in addition to his pack’s natural strength he had smarts.
Why did he rebel?
Because he kept being sent on missions and seeing all his pack-brothers die. One can assume that as they were going against enemy strongpoints the Covenant would also have been pretty indiscriminate about friendly fire and supporting them. All they were was a disruption force. Think if some of the Spartan-IIIs had been on hundreds of suicide missions like Operation: PROMETHEUS or TORPEDO and see their comrades die repeatedly. But Atriox had smarts and after a while he snapped at the Elite commanders sending his pack on such missions (probably picking his moment well).
Remember: the animosity between Brutes and Elites existed long before Truth’s machinations and the Great Schism. Elite commanders were probably pretty uncaring about such Brute forces - it’s even noted that Rtas 'Vadum was exceptional among Elite commanders in that he cared about his grunts and told them to take cover behind Elites. Just because mostly the Swords of Sanghelios elites seem to have a pretty enlightened standpoint doesn’t mean other elites don’t (c.f. Jul 'Mdama’s disregard for the forces under his command).
The great what-if is probably: what if Atriox instead of Tartarus had been spotted by Truth - Tartarus was just dumb Brute muscle in comparison.