What would happen if Operation:Red Flag actually happened??? If you don’t know, Operation: Red Flag was a last-ditch effort to end the war with the Covenant. The plan was to use Spartan II’s to board a Covenant ship and take that ship to High Charity, capture a prophet and escape with a captured prophet back to Earth so that (In Theory) the Covenant would agree to a peace treaty which would end the war. Do you think if this plan were to happen would it be successful or fail.
Well if this ship in Halo Reach got caught (Long night of Solace) the one Noble team destroyed and we did manage to get on board high charity, and capture a prophet. It would still fail.
See in Halo 2, Truth left Mercy to die. Meaning that the prophets would just continue with there plans.
And another factor of why we won is the Elites. If we did it then the Elites would still be in the Covenant as Master Chief wouldn’t have found halo and destroyed it, shaming the Arbiter making him the Arbiter, to finally bring the elites to our side.
So I love to say this Noble Team are the most important people of the war. As if they didn’t destroy Long Night of Solace then we would have signed our death bed.
Based on what we’ve seen, if Operation Red Flag had happened, and by some miracle went off without a hitch, it would have failed. We’ve seen how loyal the Prophets are to other members of their species.
Even if the Spartans somehow managed to capture all 3 High Prophets, I doubt that would have worked either. Likely 3 new Prophets would have taken power and continued the war.
A better option, if the Spartans somehow managed to board High Charity, would be to blow it up like the Chief did in Halo 3.
Even if they did capture a prophet, it wouldn’t have worked. The general reaction to a prophet’s death was “Oh well” from the rest.
> Based on what we’ve seen, if Operation Red Flag had happened, and by some miracle went off without a hitch, it would have failed. We’ve seen how loyal the Prophets are to other members of their species.
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> Even if the Spartans somehow managed to capture all 3 High Prophets, I doubt that would have worked either. Likely 3 new Prophets would have taken power and continued the war.
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> A better option, if the Spartans somehow managed to board High Charity, would be to blow it up like the Chief did in Halo 3.
Based on your “what if” for Red Flag, what if the entire compliment of ODST’s and Marines on the POA managed to board a Covenant ship and take over and destroy High Charity do you think if this theory were to happen would it work???
> > Based on what we’ve seen, if Operation Red Flag had happened, and by some miracle went off without a hitch, it would have failed. We’ve seen how loyal the Prophets are to other members of their species.
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> > Even if the Spartans somehow managed to capture all 3 High Prophets, I doubt that would have worked either. Likely 3 new Prophets would have taken power and continued the war.
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> > A better option, if the Spartans somehow managed to board High Charity, would be to blow it up like the Chief did in Halo 3.
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> Based on your “what if” for Red Flag, what if the entire compliment of ODST’s and Marines on the POA managed to board a Covenant ship and take over and destroy High Charity do you think if this theory were to happen would it work???
Not really. All it would do is incite more anger and possibly aggression from the covenant. High Charity wasn’t needed to wipe out humanity, it was never used as a weapon and we don’t know if it even could be. Without High Charity all of the client species of the covenant still had a homeworld(s), except for the Prophets, but there was a Prophet on every ship at the beginning of the Great Schism so even they would have survived along with the rest of the ships that eventually would be used to destroy Reach and almost Earth.
> > Based on what we’ve seen, if Operation Red Flag had happened, and by some miracle went off without a hitch, it would have failed. We’ve seen how loyal the Prophets are to other members of their species.
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> > Even if the Spartans somehow managed to capture all 3 High Prophets, I doubt that would have worked either. Likely 3 new Prophets would have taken power and continued the war.
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> > A better option, if the Spartans somehow managed to board High Charity, would be to blow it up like the Chief did in Halo 3.
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> Based on your “what if” for Red Flag, what if the entire compliment of ODST’s and Marines on the POA managed to board a Covenant ship and take over and destroy High Charity do you think if this theory were to happen would it work???
They would be wiped out, probably faster than the Spartans. A compliment of ODSTs and Marines would be no match for the defence forces of High Charity.
> > > Based on what we’ve seen, if Operation Red Flag had happened, and by some miracle went off without a hitch, it would have failed. We’ve seen how loyal the Prophets are to other members of their species.
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> > > Even if the Spartans somehow managed to capture all 3 High Prophets, I doubt that would have worked either. Likely 3 new Prophets would have taken power and continued the war.
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> > > A better option, if the Spartans somehow managed to board High Charity, would be to blow it up like the Chief did in Halo 3.
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> > Based on your “what if” for Red Flag, what if the entire compliment of ODST’s and Marines on the POA managed to board a Covenant ship and take over and destroy High Charity do you think if this theory were to happen would it work???
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> They would be wiped out, probably faster than the Spartans. A compliment of ODSTs and Marines would be no match for the defence forces of High Charity.
While this is true, and the Halo books addressed the near impenetrable security, he was asking “what if”. So while I agree with you, for the sake of his question let’s say that they somehow by a mathematically impossible miracle destroyed High Charity.
What ONI should’ve done is gotten them onboard the exact dang way they got the guy from stomping on the heel of a fuss on High Charity.
> > > > Based on what we’ve seen, if Operation Red Flag had happened, and by some miracle went off without a hitch, it would have failed. We’ve seen how loyal the Prophets are to other members of their species.
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> > > > Even if the Spartans somehow managed to capture all 3 High Prophets, I doubt that would have worked either. Likely 3 new Prophets would have taken power and continued the war.
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> > > > A better option, if the Spartans somehow managed to board High Charity, would be to blow it up like the Chief did in Halo 3.
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> > > Based on your “what if” for Red Flag, what if the entire compliment of ODST’s and Marines on the POA managed to board a Covenant ship and take over and destroy High Charity do you think if this theory were to happen would it work???
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> > They would be wiped out, probably faster than the Spartans. A compliment of ODSTs and Marines would be no match for the defence forces of High Charity.
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> While this is true, and the Halo books addressed the near impenetrable security, he was asking “what if”. So while I agree with you, for the sake of his question let’s say that they somehow by a mathematically impossible miracle destroyed High Charity.
Well, destroying High Charity would certainly take a bite out of the Covenant, but they still would have strong fleets could crush humanity. Furthermore, the home planets are still very much intact, which could continue to supply soldiers and material.
I can see a couple of interesting variables occurring from its destruction. If Truth was blown up with it, the whole plot to replace the Elites with the Brutes might fall apart, resulting in a united Covenant assaulting Earth and the Ark. Similarly, the loss of leadership could result in a power struggle where the two races battle for supremacy. Either way, I can’t see a human-Sangheili resulting because of it.
Red Flag has been undermined by Legends, the UNSC apparently not only knew of Prophets long before 2552, but decided to assassinate one instead of capturing it. If they really thought a prisoner would help the effort then they went about all wrong.
> Red Flag has been undermined by Legends, the UNSC apparently not only knew of Prophets long before 2552, but decided to assassinate one instead of capturing it. If they really thought a prisoner would help the effort then they went about all wrong.
I had forgotten about this. It is a bit iffy, though. Not all of Legends is canon, but there is other proof in the novels (and Reach’s datapads) that parts of ONI knew about the Covenant and Forunner before they ever attacked.
> > Red Flag has been undermined by Legends, the UNSC apparently not only knew of Prophets long before 2552, but decided to assassinate one instead of capturing it. If they really thought a prisoner would help the effort then they went about all wrong.
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> I had forgotten about this. It is a bit iffy, though. Not all of Legends is canon, but there is other proof in the novels (and Reach’s datapads) that parts of ONI knew about the Covenant and Forunner before they ever attacked.
Apparently all of Legends is canon (despite how much I disagree with that), aside from the “artistic license” parts [read: inconsistencies]. Red Flag was screwed from the start because ONI already knew that the loss of a prophet would not slow, let alone stop the Covenant onslaught. According to Legends anyway.
> > > Red Flag has been undermined by Legends, the UNSC apparently not only knew of Prophets long before 2552, but decided to assassinate one instead of capturing it. If they really thought a prisoner would help the effort then they went about all wrong.
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> > I had forgotten about this. It is a bit iffy, though. Not all of Legends is canon, but there is other proof in the novels (and Reach’s datapads) that parts of ONI knew about the Covenant and Forunner before they ever attacked.
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> Apparently all of Legends is canon (despite how much I disagree with that), aside from the “artistic license” parts [read: inconsistencies]. Red Flag was screwed from the start because ONI already knew that the loss of a prophet would not slow, let alone stop the Covenant onslaught. According to Legends anyway.
I’m not so sure all of Legends is canon, since most of the events contradict other things. Halsey was never kidnapped by the Covenant, for example. Also, Odd One Out is obviously not canon, but that should go without saying.
Bungie really screwed the pooch with Halo’s canon towards the end. After the mess caused by Legends and Reach, it’ll be a miracle if 343i can retcon in to a point of consistency. And the best way to do that would be exclude Reach and most of Legends.
> > > > Red Flag has been undermined by Legends, the UNSC apparently not only knew of Prophets long before 2552, but decided to assassinate one instead of capturing it. If they really thought a prisoner would help the effort then they went about all wrong.
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> > > I had forgotten about this. It is a bit iffy, though. Not all of Legends is canon, but there is other proof in the novels (and Reach’s datapads) that parts of ONI knew about the Covenant and Forunner before they ever attacked.
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> > Apparently all of Legends is canon (despite how much I disagree with that), aside from the “artistic license” parts [read: inconsistencies]. Red Flag was screwed from the start because ONI already knew that the loss of a prophet would not slow, let alone stop the Covenant onslaught. According to Legends anyway.
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> I’m not so sure all of Legends is canon, since most of the events contradict other things. Halsey was never kidnapped by the Covenant, for example. Also, Odd One Out is obviously not canon, but that should go without saying.
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> Bungie really screwed the pooch with Halo’s canon towards the end. After the mess caused by Legends and Reach, it’ll be a miracle if 343i can retcon in to a point of consistency. And the best way to do that would be exclude Reach and most of Legends.
Technically all of Legends is canon, despite the fuc…I mean inconsistencies. And yes, Halsey was in fact captured during the Battle of Miridem in 2544, where Sheila died at the hands of Thel Vadamee (the major from The Package) while trying to protect her. This was addressed in TFOR adjunct and is therefore official.
Once again, I do not agree with Legends being canon, but unfortunately it is.
> > > > > Red Flag has been undermined by Legends, the UNSC apparently not only knew of Prophets long before 2552, but decided to assassinate one instead of capturing it. If they really thought a prisoner would help the effort then they went about all wrong.
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> > > > I had forgotten about this. It is a bit iffy, though. Not all of Legends is canon, but there is other proof in the novels (and Reach’s datapads) that parts of ONI knew about the Covenant and Forunner before they ever attacked.
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> > > Apparently all of Legends is canon (despite how much I disagree with that), aside from the “artistic license” parts [read: inconsistencies]. Red Flag was screwed from the start because ONI already knew that the loss of a prophet would not slow, let alone stop the Covenant onslaught. According to Legends anyway.
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> > I’m not so sure all of Legends is canon, since most of the events contradict other things. Halsey was never kidnapped by the Covenant, for example. Also, Odd One Out is obviously not canon, but that should go without saying.
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> > Bungie really screwed the pooch with Halo’s canon towards the end. After the mess caused by Legends and Reach, it’ll be a miracle if 343i can retcon in to a point of consistency. And the best way to do that would be exclude Reach and most of Legends.
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> Technically all of Legends is canon, despite the fuc…I mean inconsistencies. And yes, Halsey was in fact captured during the Battle of Miridem in 2544, where Sheila died at the hands of Thel Vadamee (the major from The Package) while trying to protect her. This was addressed in TFOR adjunct and is therefore official.
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> Once again, I do not agree with Legends being canon, but unfortunately it is.
Thanks, I actually didn’t know that. I have TFOR’s re-issue on my shelf but haven’t been bothered enough to read it since I already read the original.
I’m actually in danger of becoming a casual, since I’ve had Cryptum on my Kindle for what seems like forever and still haven’t finished it, lol.
> > > Red Flag has been undermined by Legends, the UNSC apparently not only knew of Prophets long before 2552, but decided to assassinate one instead of capturing it. If they really thought a prisoner would help the effort then they went about all wrong.
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> > I had forgotten about this. It is a bit iffy, though. Not all of Legends is canon, but there is other proof in the novels (and Reach’s datapads) that parts of ONI knew about the Covenant and Forunner before they ever attacked.
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> Apparently all of Legends is canon (despite how much I disagree with that), aside from the “artistic license” parts [read: inconsistencies]. Red Flag was screwed from the start because ONI already knew that the loss of a prophet would not slow, let alone stop the Covenant onslaught. According to Legends anyway.
Well ‘Odd One Out’ isnt canon.
> > > > > Red Flag has been undermined by Legends, the UNSC apparently not only knew of Prophets long before 2552, but decided to assassinate one instead of capturing it. If they really thought a prisoner would help the effort then they went about all wrong.
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> > > > I had forgotten about this. It is a bit iffy, though. Not all of Legends is canon, but there is other proof in the novels (and Reach’s datapads) that parts of ONI knew about the Covenant and Forunner before they ever attacked.
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> > > Apparently all of Legends is canon (despite how much I disagree with that), aside from the “artistic license” parts [read: inconsistencies]. Red Flag was screwed from the start because ONI already knew that the loss of a prophet would not slow, let alone stop the Covenant onslaught. According to Legends anyway.
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> > I’m not so sure all of Legends is canon, since most of the events contradict other things. Halsey was never kidnapped by the Covenant, for example. Also, Odd One Out is obviously not canon, but that should go without saying.
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> > Bungie really screwed the pooch with Halo’s canon towards the end. After the mess caused by Legends and Reach, it’ll be a miracle if 343i can retcon in to a point of consistency. And the best way to do that would be exclude Reach and most of Legends.
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> Technically all of Legends is canon, despite the fuc…I mean inconsistencies. And yes, Halsey was in fact captured during the Battle of Miridem in 2544, where Sheila died at the hands of Thel Vadamee (the major from The Package) while trying to protect her. This was addressed in TFOR adjunct and is therefore official.
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> Once again, I do not agree with Legends being canon, but unfortunately it is.
That Elite was not Thel Vadamee.
And the UNSC having a prophet assassinated doesnt not mess up canon. How does it? If they knew Prophets existed prior to 2552 how does that mess anything up? You can argue that why didnt they use that one for RED FLAG but why would they? RED FLAG was a last ditch effort, they didn’t even consider it til 2552.
> Red Flag has been undermined by Legends, the UNSC apparently not only knew of Prophets long before 2552, but decided to assassinate one instead of capturing it. If they really thought a prisoner would help the effort then they went about all wrong.
You really think they could’ve captured that Prophet? Not really.
And, to clear it up since you apparently do not understand. Odd one out is not canon. Therefore not ALL of legends is canon. Everything else, however, is canon bar artistic license such as a spartan being able to leap entirely over a brute and survive a gravity hammer blast point blank.
What proof that Halsey was never captured is there?
Also, again I’ll point out the larger problem. ONI already had a guy on High Charity a goodly while before the Battle of Reach. They got him in and out alive, and he witnessed Brute chieftains in detail.
So why not use that exact same dang method to get Spartans or nukes onboard?
> I’m not so sure all of Legends is canon, since most of the events contradict other things. Halsey was never kidnapped by the Covenant, for example. Also, Odd One Out is obviously not canon, but that should go without saying.
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> Bungie really screwed the pooch with Halo’s canon towards the end. After the mess caused by Legends and Reach, it’ll be a miracle if 343i can retcon in to a point of consistency. And the best way to do that would be exclude Reach and most of Legends.
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Bungie did not make Halo Legends, 343i did. It was their first major, independent project released to the public.
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Halo Legends (with the exception of Odd One Out) is canon only in the content of the stories, not the visuals. Many artistic licenses were taken by the studios that produced each short. Some were minor, such as Bones’ “Prototype”, and others were major, such as “The Duel”. So again, while many of the visuals are incorrect, the stories are canon.
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Neither Halo Reach nor Halo Legends break canon. They bend things here and there, but that’s it.
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We know almost nothing about what happened to Halsey during the years between 2525 and 2552. Read Halsey’s Journal, it describes these years, and covers her love with Keyes, her being captured by the Covenant (as seen in The Package), the creation of Cortana, and several other important details.
People need to do the research before they make the complaints. I really wish people would learn to do so. I mean, Halopedia is super easy to access and is very up-to-date on everything.