What would actually SATISFY this forum?

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Because it seems to me that whatever Bungie/343/Traviss/whoever do, this forum will moan and -Yoink- about it. The complain that’s probably irked me the most is that “we don’t want to fight the Covenant, but the Flood are terrible, so are the Prometheans!” If that’s the case, might I respectfully suggest Halo perhaps isn’t the game for you? People here hated Reach, hated Halo 4, hate anything that contradicts the First Strike novel, hate anything that doesn’t show humanity as a Mary-Sueish perfect race. So much hate!

I’m saying this as much in exasperation as anything else. To all the haters- what would you actually like to be done to make things better?

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I agree that some of the complaints can be trivial and silly. Like in the cases of minor retcons to outdated canon, anything which gives humanity ‘too much’ limelight in the fiction (even though every Halo player is human), and unexpected changes in narrative. But I think some complaints can be valid, and it’s not like they’re a bad thing. Users have the right to speak their and discuss what they don’t like about the Halo story. I’m sure all of their intentions are good; they only want to help the Halo universe prosper.

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I agree that there’s way too much hate but I actually enjoy reading some people’s opinions when there well structured and valid. However, a lot of what’s posted to this forum is just pure bile.

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Welcome!

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> Because it seems to me that whatever Bungie/343/Traviss/whoever do, this forum will moan and -Yoink!- about it. The complain that’s probably irked me the most is that “we don’t want to fight the Covenant, but the Flood are terrible, so are the Prometheans!” If that’s the case, might I respectfully suggest Halo perhaps isn’t the game for you? People here hated Reach, hated Halo 4, hate anything that contradicts the First Strike novel, hate anything that doesn’t show humanity as a Mary-Sueish perfect race. So much hate!
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> I’m saying this as much in exasperation as anything else. To all the haters- what would you actually like to be done to make things better?

Thing is, different people hate different things, but when you put it all together as if it’s just one person THEN it seems ridiculous.

BTW, I think Halo 4 would be near perfect if there were no problems with the DMR and Boltshot. After all, Team Throwdown does feel more like Halo anyway, and that’s a good thing.

Constructive criticism is good. While there are people who, and while this does bother anyone, say “Oh my goodness I’m be done wit teh Halo Franchise 4ever is iz dead.” there are some bad things that are well…bad (Halo: Reach for example)

Also, wrong forum.

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I be honest, I enjoy the Halo Universe sub-forum to the Halo 4 one because we tend to be more civilized than over there…

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I think we all want…

THE DEATH OF: karen traviss, Osman, Sarah Palmer and parangosky.
If parangosky is dead, we want a detailed description of her last seconds and her (possibly very high) suffering.

P.S of course I’m am just joking, I don’t want to have travis on my conscience…

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> > Because it seems to me that whatever Bungie/343/Traviss/whoever do, this forum will moan and -Yoink!- about it. The complain that’s probably irked me the most is that “we don’t want to fight the Covenant, but the Flood are terrible, so are the Prometheans!” If that’s the case, might I respectfully suggest Halo perhaps isn’t the game for you? People here hated Reach, hated Halo 4, hate anything that contradicts the First Strike novel, hate anything that doesn’t show humanity as a Mary-Sueish perfect race. So much hate!
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> > I’m saying this as much in exasperation as anything else. To all the haters- what would you actually like to be done to make things better?
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> Thing is, different people hate different things, but when you put it all together as if it’s just one person THEN it seems ridiculous.
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> BTW, I think Halo 4 would be near perfect if there were no problems with the DMR and Boltshot. After all, Team Throwdown does feel more like Halo anyway, and that’s a good thing.
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> Constructive criticism is good. While there are people who, and while this does bother anyone, say “Oh my goodness I’m be done wit teh Halo Franchise 4ever is iz dead.” there are some bad things that are well…bad (Halo: Reach for example)
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> Also, wrong forum.

I, like many other forumgoers, enjoyed Reach. I think when he mentions Reach, he’s talking about how some Universe fans hate the changes it made, and not its mechanics.

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> Because it seems to me that whatever Bungie/343/Traviss/whoever do, this forum will moan and -Yoink!- about it. The complain that’s probably irked me the most is that “we don’t want to fight the Covenant, but the Flood are terrible, so are the Prometheans!” If that’s the case, might I respectfully suggest Halo perhaps isn’t the game for you? <mark>People here hated Reach, hated Halo 4, hate anything that contradicts the First Strike novel, hate anything that doesn’t show humanity as a Mary-Sueish perfect race. So much hate!</mark>
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> I’m saying this as much in exasperation as anything else. To all the haters- what would you actually like to be done to make things better?

Actually, I don’t like how Reach broke canon. I enjoyed the game, not its story. Halo 4 could’ve been better. And no, I don’t like when things break canon. And Traviss is the one who portray humanity as the perfect race.

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> > Because it seems to me that whatever Bungie/343/Traviss/whoever do, this forum will moan and -Yoink!- about it. The complain that’s probably irked me the most is that “we don’t want to fight the Covenant, but the Flood are terrible, so are the Prometheans!” If that’s the case, might I respectfully suggest Halo perhaps isn’t the game for you? <mark>People here hated Reach, hated Halo 4, hate anything that contradicts the First Strike novel, hate anything that doesn’t show humanity as a Mary-Sueish perfect race. So much hate!</mark>
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> > I’m saying this as much in exasperation as anything else. To all the haters- what would you actually like to be done to make things better?
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> Actually, I don’t like how Reach broke canon. I enjoyed the game, not its story. Halo 4 could’ve been better. And no, I don’t like when things break canon. And Traviss is the one who portray humanity as the perfect race.

Well, technically, ODST changed the span of the Battle of Reach from a single day to a month. Although, the games were developed side by side, so it’s likely that the team working on ODST were told to change the Memorial Plaque to coincide with Reach’s canon.

Other than that, did Reach break anything major?

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> > > Because it seems to me that whatever Bungie/343/Traviss/whoever do, this forum will moan and -Yoink!- about it. The complain that’s probably irked me the most is that “we don’t want to fight the Covenant, but the Flood are terrible, so are the Prometheans!” If that’s the case, might I respectfully suggest Halo perhaps isn’t the game for you? <mark>People here hated Reach, hated Halo 4, hate anything that contradicts the First Strike novel, hate anything that doesn’t show humanity as a Mary-Sueish perfect race. So much hate!</mark>
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> > > I’m saying this as much in exasperation as anything else. To all the haters- what would you actually like to be done to make things better?
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> > Actually, I don’t like how Reach broke canon. I enjoyed the game, not its story. Halo 4 could’ve been better. And no, I don’t like when things break canon. And Traviss is the one who portray humanity as the perfect race.
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> Well, technically, ODST changed the span of the Battle of Reach from a single day to a month. Although, the games were developed side by side, so it’s likely that the team working on ODST were told to change the Memorial Plaque to coincide with Reach’s canon.
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> Other than that, did Reach break anything major?

Halsey meet Spartan IIIs. She wasn’t supposed to know they exist. It was all a secret hidden from her. Jorge is the exception.

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> > > > Because it seems to me that whatever Bungie/343/Traviss/whoever do, this forum will moan and -Yoink!- about it. The complain that’s probably irked me the most is that “we don’t want to fight the Covenant, but the Flood are terrible, so are the Prometheans!” If that’s the case, might I respectfully suggest Halo perhaps isn’t the game for you? <mark>People here hated Reach, hated Halo 4, hate anything that contradicts the First Strike novel, hate anything that doesn’t show humanity as a Mary-Sueish perfect race. So much hate!</mark>
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> > > > I’m saying this as much in exasperation as anything else. To all the haters- what would you actually like to be done to make things better?
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> > > Actually, I don’t like how Reach broke canon. I enjoyed the game, not its story. Halo 4 could’ve been better. And no, I don’t like when things break canon. And Traviss is the one who portray humanity as the perfect race.
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> > Well, technically, ODST changed the span of the Battle of Reach from a single day to a month. Although, the games were developed side by side, so it’s likely that the team working on ODST were told to change the Memorial Plaque to coincide with Reach’s canon.
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> > Other than that, did Reach break anything major?
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> Halsey meet Spartan IIIs. She wasn’t supposed to know they exist. It was all a secret hidden from her. Jorge is the exception.

In Halsey’s journal, isn’t it explained that she first theorized that they were part of PROJECT: JAVELIN, a parallel program that sought to create Super soldiers as well?

Not to mention that GoO even makes mention of Ackerson’s rival projcts.

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You have to qualify the complaints. Senseless, “halo suckz” complaining is not worth the time of even worrying about it. You have to look at the quality of what’s being said and how it’s said. I have two real beefs in the entirety of Halodom: 1. I don’t like some aspects of what Greg Bear has introduced and/or elaborated on in his novels; 2. I still don’t understand Bungie’s decision to muck up the established story of Reach like they did in the game. Even with those two things, when I mention them, I usually counter with the facts that there are still many fascinating things in the Bear books and, don’t hate me too much purists, Reach may have actually been my favorite gameplay campaign. Expressing a negative opinion without dismissing the whole shouldn’t be a problem.

As has already been pointed out by that Spartan IV, there’s almost no one here that harbors all those views at the same time. The majority of the people here, especially in the Halo Universe forum, are here because we are avid lovers of Halo. That’s kind of the unspoken undercurrent hanging around most any post. If someone creates a thread about something that irks them and they’re doing it in a reasonable manner, step one is to realize they’re here because they mostly likely still enjoy many things about Halo. Whatever negative thing they say is just a qualifier at that point. I think The Dark Knight is an exceptional film, but every time I see it, that cell phone sonar vision thing Batman pulls out of his -Yoink- makes me lose my mind. It’s a minor scuff on a great whole and when I bring it up, it doesn’t diminish the rest.

The more overarching point I would make is that a complaint does not equal hate. I created a topic recently about an aspect of the Greg Bear books where I expressed dismay with that decision. I explained my view, said it was entirely subjective and asked others how they felt. Some agreed with me and others didn’t. Nobody said anything that swayed me on that particular issue, but I was mostly curious to see what other Halo lovers thought about that particular aspect of canon. Over the course of discussions, people can bring up things that slipped your mind or details you’ve forgotten; I’ve read through threads where something was brought up that I’d lost track of and my opinion was softened. These sorts of things are the roots of healthy discussion and can lead to interesting points-of-view from others.

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> Because it seems to me that whatever Bungie/343/Traviss/whoever do, this forum will moan and -Yoink!- about it.

If people find it displeasing or are unsatisfied, yeah. Got a problem with it? Tough.

> The complain that’s probably irked me the most is that “we don’t want to fight the Covenant, but the Flood are terrible, so are the Prometheans!” If that’s the case, might I respectfully suggest Halo perhaps isn’t the game for you?

We gave the Prometheans hope, some think they are good enemies, but I’d have to disagree. The Knights are really just damage sponges, the Watchers are basically Drones and the Crawlers aren’t really all that much of a challenege…when LAG isn’t a problem.

Still though, I would’ve preferred something other than the Covenant again, they just weren’t set up for all that well in Halo 4. Sure the books set them up, but merely from a in-game perspective, no.

So you don’t like the complaint? Tough.

> People here hated Reach

I didn’t, try again.

> hated Halo 4

Bingo.

> hate anything that contradicts the First Strike novel

I don’t know many things that DO contradict it…but breaches in canon and senseless retcons are bad all around.

> hate anything that doesn’t show humanity as a Mary-Sueish perfect race

The opposite is true here in the Universe section/

> So much hate!

Tough.

> I’m saying this as much in exasperation as anything else. To all the haters- what would you actually like to be done to make things better?

Just a good story that has minimal to no retcons and sticks strongly to the canon.

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I won’t be satisfied until Cortana gets a body and hooks up with John.

lol

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> > hate anything that contradicts the First Strike novel
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> I don’t know many things that DO contradict it…but breaches in canon and senseless retcons are bad all around.
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I honestly do not believe that ALL retcons are bad. For example, originally, the Sangheili were not encountered by Humanity prior to 2552, yet Eric Nylund himself tells us that the Elites (and Hunters, for that matter) lived for battle and the honor it bestowed upon them.

Now, if they were so eager to join the fray, why would they let two inferior species who were no more than fodder and mercenaries take complete responsibility for ground engagements for nearly thirty years? It just doesn’t make a lick of sense, even within just Nylund’s books.

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> > > hate anything that contradicts the First Strike novel
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> > I don’t know many things that DO contradict it…but breaches in canon and senseless retcons are bad all around.
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> I honestly do not believe that ALL retcons are bad. For example, originally, the Sangheili were not encountered by Humanity prior to 2552, yet Eric Nylund himself tells us that the Elites (and Hunters, for that matter) lived for battle and the honor it bestowed upon them.
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> Now, if they were so eager to join the fray, why would they let two inferior species who were no more than fodder and mercenaries take complete responsibility for ground engagements for nearly thirty years? It just doesn’t make a lick of sense, even within just Nylund’s books.

I said SENSELESS retcons are bad, SENSELESS retcons.

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> > > > hate anything that contradicts the First Strike novel
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> > > I don’t know many things that DO contradict it…but breaches in canon and senseless retcons are bad all around.
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> > I honestly do not believe that ALL retcons are bad. For example, originally, the Sangheili were not encountered by Humanity prior to 2552, yet Eric Nylund himself tells us that the Elites (and Hunters, for that matter) lived for battle and the honor it bestowed upon them.
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> > Now, if they were so eager to join the fray, why would they let two inferior species who were no more than fodder and mercenaries take complete responsibility for ground engagements for nearly thirty years? It just doesn’t make a lick of sense, even within just Nylund’s books.
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> I said SENSELESS retcons are bad, SENSELESS retcons.

Oh. Sorry, my bad.

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While I totally agree with your points, this is nothing new. This is pretty much 90% of any forum of any game, you just have to dig in to find the good threads/the threads you agree with/whatever.

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People don’t like Traviss because (from my understanding) she projects her opinions on the characters. Heck, her website says she doesn’t read into any series she works with. By that note, she’s knows almost nothing about the subtle relations characters have, which you only know by examining the different texts.

I don’t know where you think people complain Humans aren’t Mary-Sueish enough; in the Universe forums, I’d estimate at one point 6/8 topics were about how the elites are so much weaker, dumber, and less formidable than they should be. Jul was a mastermind and powerful Sanghelli in the books, but him cowering behind Halsey screaming for Prometheans doesn’t really draw a connection to that trait.

As for why people don’t like reach; the gameplay was okay (I don’t like AA’s, never did). For me, the invasion was much more underwhelming than it should have been. The fleet at Reach amounted to 314 ships, and hit Reach with overwhelming force. I don’t remember seeing much of that fleet, maybe 40 ships tops. A super-carrier cloaked on the surface? They could have done a much better job in my opinion.

The vast majority of topics posted in the Universe thread are actually pretty well written. Sure, there’s one or two but the people in here generally know a lot about the Universe and love what there is about it. We might post saying we don’t like something, but what you don’t see is how much we love just about everything else.

> > Hated Halo 4.
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> Bingo.

I love how eloquently you worded that :smiley: