What turns a good player in to a great player

Hi guys,

So, i’ve always been a reasonable Halo player, never the best and far from the worst. I was always much better at Cod and other shooting games, but i enjoy Halo more nowadays. In Halo 3, it was all about grenade placement IMO to becoming a top draw player, i never played much of Halo 4 and can’t comment on that one.

So, my question is, what makes you a ‘Great’ player on Halo 5 and does anyone have any tips to move me forwards?

I’m a competitive guy and hate how inconsistent i seem to be. The other night i went 31-3 and last night i got plenty of over 2 KD’s. But no matter how hard i try, i always seem to throw in a negative here and there! Like i just feel that no matter what i do, i can’t not die in that situation.

I had heard that this one was all about the teamwork, but for some reason, i either get spawned on my team when they’re in the middle of a firefight and get grenaded before i’ve even moved, or the opposite occurs and i spawn the other side of the map to my team and can’t make it back to them without running in to the entire enemy team(normally with rockets).

Just wondering if anyone had any tips on how to take an above average player to a great one! Current ranks- Team arena= Plat 1 Slayer= Plat 4 Swat= Onyx (seems like everyones getting Onyx in Swat.

Timing and knowing where the enemy will be while minimizing their opportunity to shoot back. Example: Coming around corners, it is good to memorize the most frequent location the enemy player(s) will be, so this is where you prepare to aim. If there is to many, you can draw them to you or boost around the corner using a surprise attack to get the upper hand. Essentially, a great player can read the map and play to the advantage against the other team, instead of just run and gunning. Personally I play swat, and i can easily turn a situation where all four members are attacking me and I manage to kill all of them (with help from their bad aim).

Don’t make yourself an easy target, as I said before where you anticipate your aim, well when its them coming around the corner, make sure your in the spot they least expect you! This will help you get the first shots that win gunfights. Probably the most important tip I will give (don’t want to reveal to much of my tactics) is to strafe. Use your boosters like crazy, if your loosing a gunfight just tap that button and your gone from their sights around a corner where they will most likely chase you. Find a ledge, turn around and wait for them, you just flipped that battle.

As for Swat however, it mostly comes down to who pulls the trigger first. Unfortunately for me (Probably my connection) a player can come around a corner and snap me before they appear on my screen. All i see is bullets come out of a wall and then im dead. But I manage to hold my Onyx ranking, which like you said seems to be pretty common to get.

Play with great players. Whenever I have the chance to consistently play with friends who are really nasty I always see a bump in my mediocre skills.

-Aim for the head.
-If using the AR/Storm rifle, always fire in bursts.
-always keep an eye on your radar.
-theres no point in shooting something you know you cant kill.
-use the walls to bound the grenades rather than spamming them.
-learn the designs of the maps for good ambush spots or ranged conflicts
-ignore the mongoose, it’s a screaming metal deathtrap.
-use cover when you can.
-remember to use clamber to get the high ground.
-if you need to reload in the middle of a fight, remember that switching weapons is always faster.
-remember the effectiveness of all weapons. AR is for short-med range while the sniper rifle is better at long range.
-make use of heavy vehicles if you can. A Banshee is a good way to make some kills.

Current Ranks
Team Arena- Diamond 2
Slayer- Diamond 1
Breakout Diamond 1

Knowing when to use your abilities can be the difference between life and death. Being able to predict when an enemy will appear below is vital for when you are trying to ground pound. The magnum is your best friend. Quickly learn to use it, as it is your best friend almost all of the time, especially if you can’t find a BR or power weapon to swap your AR For.

Interesting stuff Paziio, i definitely do need to be a little less Gung-ho and a little more preemptive. It’s something i’ll definitely work on.

I’m not sure my Strafe as you say is really much of a strafe as all, maybe i will watch some matches back in theater mode and see what my movement actually looks like and compare it with players who are doing better than me!

A great player in my opinion is one meets the following criteria:

  • Gets a lot of assists
  • Always gives detailed call outs
  • Plays the objective
  • Allows best player with a particular power weapon to have the said power weapon.
  • Always keeps team morale up (complimenting good plays, etc)
  • Stays alive

The best players are not those who get the most kills or longest sprees, but rather the player who gives his team the greatest opportunity to win the game. In other words, one should not be concerned with trying to be the best slayer, but rather try to be the best teammate.

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> A great player in my opinion is one meets the following criteria:
>
> - Gets a lot of assists
> - Always gives detailed call outs
> - Plays the objective
> - Allows best player to have the power weapon
> - Always keeps team morale up (complimenting good plays, etc)
> - Stays alive
>
> The best players are not those who get the most kills or longest sprees, but rather the player who gives his team the greatest opportunity to win the game. In other words, one should not be concerned with trying to be the best slayer, but rather try to be the best teammate.

you defined the best ‘TEAM’ player, i think hes looking to increase is general skill for winning gunfights.

> 2533274852536642;7:
> A great player in my opinion is one meets the following criteria:
>
> - Gets a lot of assists
> - Always gives detailed call outs
> - Plays the objective
> - Allows best player with a particular power weapon to have the said power weapon.
> - Always keeps team morale up (complimenting good plays, etc)
> - Stays alive
>
> The best players are not those who get the most kills or longest sprees, but rather the player who gives his team the greatest opportunity to win the game. In other words, one should not be concerned with trying to be the best slayer, but rather try to be the best teammate.

Yeah, I agree with you completely. A team will always be greater than the sum of it’s parts, but until i know what my pals are doing, it’s hard to get a squad together that i play with all the time.

Therefore i am playing with randoms half the time, who don’t use their mics and don’t play for the team. So i guess i’m trying to learn how to be the best player i can be in Slayer, before hopefully joining up with a consistent squad later on, so then i can solely focus on team coordination!

Oh okay, thanks for the correction. If you want to increase your general skill, then I think you have to improve in two key areas: Shooting and Map Movement.

Shooting:

  • Try using your left joystick to aim instead of your right joystick. This means use your body movement to line up shots. Whenever you are in a pistol duel with another player, use lateral side movements (strafes) to keep the reticle on your target. Once your opponent’s shield is down, then use the right joystick to aim for the head and finish him off. It takes a little practice to aim like this, try it in campaign first. Once you get it down, your shot will improve dramatically, most noticeably in your long range shooting.

Map Movement:

  • Memorize every inch of every map. Run through them every day in custom games or whatever until you know them like the back of your hand. Memorize the best escape routes, best ambush locations, trick jumps etc.
  • Watch the Pros play on Twitch. They are experts in map movement and you can learn a lot just by watching, and then turn around and implement what you see into your own gameplay.

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> A great player in my opinion is one meets the following criteria:
>
> - Gets a lot of assists
> - Always gives detailed call outs
> - Plays the objective
> - Allows best player with a particular power weapon to have the said power weapon.
> - Always keeps team morale up (complimenting good plays, etc)
> - Stays alive
>
> The best players are not those who get the most kills or longest sprees, but rather the player who gives his team the greatest opportunity to win the game. In other words, one should not be concerned with trying to be the best slayer, but rather try to be the best teammate.

This, totally this! I understand ones need to improve their own personal skills but never go for your own ego boost while not supporting the team! Sure it is nice when you are racking up massive kills but when the rest of your team is left behind and underperform personal glory will only get you so far. Always help each other out. Way too many players play individually and it ruins many games for me. Hopping into a Warthog on your own makes the whole vehicle quite useless. Same thing like people on Battlefield getting into an apc alone and driving off. Annoying as hell.

Always keep in mind that even if you are getting neg k/d’s, working together gives a way better sense of achievement than going for personal gain. Hell, you might even get some new friends out of it! :wink:

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> Oh okay, thanks for the correction. If you want to increase your general skill, then I think you have to improve in two key areas: Shooting and Map Movement.
>
> Shooting:
> - Try using your left joystick to aim instead of your right joystick. This means use your body movement to line up shots. Whenever you are in a pistol duel with another player, use lateral side movements (strafes) to keep the reticle on your target. Once your opponent’s shield is down, then use the right joystick to aim for the head and finish him off. It takes a little practice to aim like this, try it in campaign first. Once you get it down, your shot will improve dramatically, most noticeably in your long range shooting.
>
> Map Movement:
> - Memorize every inch of every map. Run through them every day in custom games or whatever until you know them like the back of your hand. Memorize the best escape routes, best ambush locations, trick jumps etc.
> - Watch the Pros play on Twitch. They are experts in map movement and you can learn a lot just by watching, and then turn around and implement what you see into your own gameplay.

Thanks for the input, i don’t use twitch at the moment, but i’ll look in to it as i like the idea of watching the pro’s play! Do you have any reccomendations of pro players names etc?

Cheers for all the help guys, some stuff i do, some stuff i will definitely be taking forward. It’s not about ego, it’s about trying to become the best player you can be for a team! I just love Halo 5 and can see me playing it for the long haul :slight_smile:

Experience more than anything. I think the more you play the more you will start to take note of certain map routes which work to your advantage and start to figure out the spawning locations. A few tips which you might not be doing already are try walking around with your crosshair always at head height when aiming in any direction. Try playing on bumper jumper if your still using the control scheme, It might be unusual at first but being able to jump whilst keeping both thumbs always on thumbsticks really helps.

I believe when it comes to games and getting better is a bit like sword fighting, if you wanna get better you have to get your -Yoink- handed to you so you learn by your mistakes and make your way to the top. The harder the opponents the better you get at the game, unless you are playing Street Fighter and the controls are outrageously hard to get used to each individual character lol

> 2533274852536642;7:
> A great player in my opinion is one meets the following criteria:
>
> - Gets a lot of assists
> - Always gives detailed call outs
> - Plays the objective
> - Allows best player with a particular power weapon to have the said power weapon.
> - Always keeps team morale up (complimenting good plays, etc)
> - Stays alive
>
> The best players are not those who get the most kills or longest sprees, but rather the player who gives his team the greatest opportunity to win the game. In other words, one should not be concerned with trying to be the best slayer, but rather try to be the best teammate.

I would say this is general high level team play when in groups rather than improving individual skill level.

I can’t play a match in this game without turning a corner and there being 3 enemies or grenades, or senselessly losing firefights I should be winning, or just barely missing the killshot and the opponent runs and I get nothing. I cannot get in a good position AND find enemies–or if I do, I somehow get outshot when I consistently had decent aim in Halo 3/4/Reach. If I just knew WHAT I’m doing wrong I’d be okay with it, but I don’t.

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> Play with great players. Whenever I have the chance to consistently play with friends who are really nasty I always see a bump in my mediocre skills.

This^^^

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> > Play with great players. Whenever I have the chance to consistently play with friends who are really nasty I always see a bump in my mediocre skills.
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> This^^

Totally agree…, I’m not a great player, nor do I “suck”. When I play with friends who are all way better than me (diamond/onyx), I get paired against much better players and I can’t always keep up. However, I notice that when I play vs players in my tier (platinum), I see some real adjustments to my game and some good improvement.
So playing vs really good people is one good way to get better. Yes, your K/D will drop as hell and it’s no fun to see yourself going negative but just try to stay positive and keep it up…who knows you’ll be ready for season 2 when the ranks reset or Halo 6! (just kidding :))

Teamwork is also very important. It’s always good to beat a diamond/onyx team when you’re the only platinum (and most of the times considered dead weight) in your team and you guys we’re able to win because of good communication, you assisting every way you can and your teammates crediting you for good play. (e.g. support fire, good call outs, timer spawns, etc)

When you reach your true ability ranking, an awful lot will depend on your distance to the dedicated server, and where the other players are in relation to it. You’d probably be surprised how many of the games you go negative are down to being dumped on a server on the opposite coast from you, or worse still, a different continent.

I’ve never played a game where I’m so schizophrenic in terms of performance, and it’s mainly down to not being able to choose my data centre (I’m EU-based though, not sure where you are). SWAT is especially sensitive to these factors, which I never play now precisely because of this.

If you’re not getting your -Yoink- kicked, you’re not learning.
When you get in a match with people who’re beating you senseless, learn. Adapt. Absorb.
A bad player becomes a good player by practicing.
A good player becomes a great player by practicing with great players.