What to keep from Halo 4 for Halo 5?

I don’t really like Halo 4 but I am sure there are good things that can be used from Halo 4 and kept for Halo 5.

  • Not the ranking system

  • Not the matchmaking system

  • Not the vehicle health mechanic system

  • Not the Mech

  • Not the Promethean weapons

  • Not the Promethean enemies (unless they get a huge overhaul)

  • Not the Aim Assist/Bullet Magnetism

  • Not the Infinity Gametypes

  • Not the horrendous flinch mechanic

  • Not the User Interface (those menu’s are fugly)

  • Not the Spartan IV’s

  • Not the annoying Infinity AI

  • Not the leadership of the Infinity (Lasky feels like a cheerleader)

  • Not the sad excuse for a plasma rifle

  • Not the terrible instant respawn

  • Not the unimaginative skyboxes

  • Not the wannabe invasion mode (I feel like they lied to me about Invasion)

  • Keep the Covenant

  • Keep Master Chief

  • Keep the AR, BR, PP, Carbine, Scorpion, Banshee, Warthog, (and add the Falcon)

  • Keep Cortana

  • What else should be kept?

-Keep the good shot registration. H4’s is dang good.

  • Keep the variety in forge maps
    -REMOVE SPRINT AND ARMOR ABILITIES. We have tried them for 2 games and they don’t work in Halo. They could possibly be implemented as equipment. Possibly, but the constantly being with all players all game destroys the core.
    -Bring back descope
    -continue and increase developer support
    -Continue 343 led tournaments. Very cool
    Besides those, I like your list. Oh, and can we finally get clans put back in? Cod is stealing that idea from H2, why can’t we?

Keep armor skins, but add detail options (Halo 3 style).

Keep Dominion, Extraction, and Ricochet.

Keep Forge lighting.

Keep the new visor colors.

Keep Global Championships.

Keep Loyalty stance for teh lulz.

Ditch “eggheads.”

Ditch the Spartan Ranks.

Ditch the plastic armor texture.

Ditch (or at least make toggle-able) the new flag mechanics.

Ditch the union of CSR and JiP.

Ditch Hinge-heads as well - in theory they are the humans allies (minus the few ‘terrorists’.)

> I don’t really like Halo 4 but I am sure there are good things that can be used from Halo 4 and kept for Halo 5.
>
> - Not the ranking system
> - Not the matchmaking system
> - Not the vehicle health mechanic system
> <mark>- Not the Mech</mark>
> - Not the Promethean weapons
> - Not the Promethean enemies (unless they get a huge overhaul)
> - Not the Aim Assist/Bullet Magnetism
> - <mark>Not the Infinity Gametypes</mark>
> - Not the horrendous flinch mechanic
> - <mark>Not the User Interface (those menu’s are fugly</mark>)
> <mark>- Not the Spartan IV’s</mark>
> <mark>- Not the annoying Infinity AI</mark>
> <mark>- Not the leadership of the Infinity (Lasky feels like a cheerleader)</mark>
> - <mark>Not the sad excuse for a plasma rifle</mark>
> <mark>- Not the terrible instant respawn</mark>
> <mark>- Not the unimaginative skyboxes</mark>
> <mark>- Not the wannabe invasion mode (I feel like they lied to me about Invasion)</mark>
>
> - Keep the Covenant
> - Keep Master Chief
> - Keep the AR, BR, PP, Carbine, Scorpion, Banshee, Warthog, (and add the Falcon)
> - Keep Cortana
> - What else should be kept?

-the mantis is the only new vehicle in the game. It is also a very good addition to the multiplayer sandbox, and more than makes up for not having a UNSC flier
-Infinity is FUN. Games are about fun, so learn to bloody enjoy them
-user interface is fine, the old ones were also fine, but didnt really fit the UNSC computer aesthetic
-Spartan IVs are part of Halo now. Quit complaining and get over it. That Spartan is you, not the nameless orphan from Reach or the abduction victims.
-Roland is one of the best characters in the game. Would you really prefer Palmer? (Not that there’s anything wrong with her, every scifi needs one badass chick)
-whats wrong with Lasky? He’s a well written, well received character
-the Storm Rifle is fine. Nothing wrong with it.
-Sky box looks good.
-Invasion? I dont recall Invasion ever being in Halo 4, unless you mean Conversion, which was fan made

> Ditch the Spartan Ranks.
>
> Ditch the plastic armor texture.
>
> Ditch the union of CSR and JiP.

-Spartan Ranks is basically the EXP system from Halo 3. Nothing wrong here
-See, someone agrees with me. The armour itself is fine, its just the textures and lighting dont do it justice
-Dedicated servers means JIP. So maybe they could make it so that if you do JIP, it doesn’t count towards your CSR, unless you win?

> -Keep the good shot registration. H4’s is dang good.
> - Keep the variety in forge maps
> <mark>-REMOVE SPRINT AND ARMOR ABILITIES. We have tried them for 2 games and they don’t work in Halo. They could possibly be implemented as equipment. Possibly, but the constantly being with all players all game destroys the core</mark>.
> -Bring back descope
> -continue and increase developer support
> -Continue 343 led tournaments. Very cool
> Besides those, I like your list. Oh, and can we finally get clans put back in? Cod is stealing that idea from H2, why can’t we?

-LIKE HELL IT DOESN’T. It works, its just the implementation that was a bit flawed. AC and JP need some changes, but none of them should be taken out of loadouts. And sprint could be something exclusive to large games or something, or for non competitive gametypes, with maps designed primarily around sprint, but modifiable to accommodate for non sprint games.

> > -Keep the good shot registration. H4’s is dang good.
> > - Keep the variety in forge maps
> > <mark>-REMOVE SPRINT AND ARMOR ABILITIES. We have tried them for 2 games and they don’t work in Halo. They could possibly be implemented as equipment. Possibly, but the constantly being with all players all game destroys the core</mark>.
> > -Bring back descope
> > -continue and increase developer support
> > -Continue 343 led tournaments. Very cool
> > Besides those, I like your list. Oh, and can we finally get clans put back in? Cod is stealing that idea from H2, why can’t we?
>
> -LIKE HELL IT DOESN’T. It works, its just the implementation that was a bit flawed. AC and JP need some changes, but none of them should be taken out of loadouts. And sprint could be something exclusive to large games or something, or for non competitive gametypes, with maps designed primarily around sprint, but modifiable to accommodate for non sprint games.

I would be fine with sprint being in large map gametypes like BTB. That would actually make since if the maps are designed around that. However, I used to find BTB much more enjoyable in older Halo titles. It seems like many of the BTB disc maps are made WAY too large and open and it turns them into huge vehicle fests. Vehicles are fine and have their place, but I think there should be some BTB maps more vehicle based and others without similar to how they were in H2. There were more BTB maps that were enclosed and could be perfectly good for nonvehicle users as well (like Headlong).

In smaller scale gametypes like 4v4 (on which the bulk of Halo has traditionally relied) sprint is a hindrance. It caused the maps to be poorly designed. Its’ desire is to increase the pace of the game, but you could achieve that goal even better by simply increasing the base movement speed, making smaller maps, and keeping the kill times quick with great shot registration (like Halo 4 currently has and zero bloom Reach did). This can be very plainly seen when MLG actually took Reach and increased the base movement speed, took out bloom (severely quickening the kill times), and removing sprint.

The reason that I don’t like AAs is because they are CONSTANTLY present in the games as opposed to being more temporary like power ups, power weapons, and equipment (H3). Things like rockets, overshield , snipers, camo, etc… are fine in the game, but would be terrible if they were as constantly present as AAs are. They are temporary because there are just maybe a few of them on each map and they can be picked up by one person, used, then disappear. They have large impacts on the game temporarily. AAs, on the other hand, are always making huge impacts on the game by every single person. This is terrible.

Also, one other thing is that power weapons, power ups, and everything else are specifically chosen for maps because they will work on them. All weapons are not on all maps because they won’t all work. You would have never put a rocket launcher on Midship/Heretic because it would not work there. You would have never put a Ghost on Haven because it would not work. So, why would ever single AAs be expected to work on every single map?

Maybe in H5 they could use AAs like equipment in H3 or like powerups. Have them specifically chosen for maps they know that they would work on then place them on the map as a pick up. Then, they are not constantly in use by everyone and they are map specific. This is the exact way that MLG did AAs in Reach in it worked WAY better than people always starting with them.

Why do people really dislike sprint so much? I think it’s a fine addition really, I’ve been a Halo fan since 2 and sprint isn’t one of those things I look at and consider it ruining the game.

There are a lot of things Halo 4 got wrong, more than it got right. But if there is one thing I would like more of it’s the customisation. A mixture of Reach and 4 would be great, hate how I have 4 skins for the oceanic armour yet none for the Mark VI

Weapon skins are good and should be expanded.

Nothing, change everything… Evan a design time, for maps… Politic abut DLC’s playlists, or don’t release DLC’s at all…

Well here is my list:

Get ridd off:

All the CoD elements we have already listed several times to other topics. (Killcams, instarespawn and killstreaks etc.)

Infinity game modes, not able to drop flag, stupid new look of ridicilous spartan armours, forerunner weapons in matchmaking, Sarah Palmer.

Add:

Descoping, competitive options, all the theater and customgames option we had in previous Halo games, oneflag, original soundtrack, something actually new.

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Nothing. Lets make pretend halo 4 never happened.

OK guys, remember, opinions are NOT necessarily facts. Just because your opinion is different doesn’t mean it’s right. That’s happening a lot in this thread already. This discussion won’t be getting anywhere if you just flame each other.

Plus, I think this belongs in the Halo Xbox One section.

It’s incredibly hard to change the Halo formula and still keep the fans happy.

I really don’t think the guys at 343 are up to the challenge, the only game they’ve done that has that ‘Halo feel’ was just a reskin of the original…and they didn’t even do it!

They should just look at the original trilogy for reference, not it’s competitors, not Reach, and for the love of god don’t come up with anything that doesn’t fit.

I didn’t mind things like:
Sprint
The mantis

…wow I thought that list was actually going to be longer.

343 really needs to have a beta for the next game, for the love of god get the community involved. Bring back that charm that Bungie had, talk to your fans more than just the few forum posts and weekly updates. I’m not saying “BRING BACK BUNGIE TO MAKE THIS GAME!” But Bungie always seemed to be a bunch of nerds that would have a laugh, where as 343 always seems like the guys who have to check with their over bearing wife if they are allowed to say certain things, they just seem like a section of Microsoft rather than a game developer. I know they are that, but they should shake it off rather than having to ask Microsoft every time they want to talk about something.

Also sort out DLC, if it’s anything like Reach and 4 then I definitely won’t be buying any.

> Nothing, change everything… Evan a design time, for maps… Politic abut DLC’s playlists, or don’t release DLC’s at all…

Except you know, the DLC maps in H4 are the best maps in H4. Maybe you should stop ripping on every single thing in H4, and give actual reasons.

OT: Get rid of perks. Seriously, get them out of this game.
But I want to keep my LR.

> > Nothing, change everything… Evan a design time, for maps… Politic abut DLC’s playlists, or don’t release DLC’s at all…
>
> Except you know, the DLC maps in H4 are the best maps in H4. Maybe you should stop ripping on every single thing in H4, and give actual reasons.
>
>
> But I want to keep my LR.

I can’t play that “best maps”… There are no playlists, and population with those DLC’s, is so small… Because of that politic of 343… Don’t make DLC’s if you don’t now what to do with them, or how to implement them… I did not play more then 10 match outside the DLC’s playlist’s… That is how big population is… And, they are not best maps, they are best camping maps… MP in Halo 4 is terrible, CoD with halo skins… That is all… There is NO HALO in Halo 4… Only call of duty… It is how bad 343 created the game… And population figure is showing that… P2P system NEED to get OUT of Halo 5… 99% of games are in small or big lag… That is terrible… Matchmaking system don’t work from day one… I need to wait 5-10 min to find players, and then get message restarting match making… And then another 5-10 min… From 2 H playing halo 4, 1H and 30 min is in match making…

> > > Nothing, change everything… Evan a design time, for maps… Politic abut DLC’s playlists, or don’t release DLC’s at all…
> >
> > Except you know, the DLC maps in H4 are the best maps in H4. Maybe you should stop ripping on every single thing in H4, and give actual reasons.
> >
> >
> > But I want to keep my LR.
>
> I can’t play that “best maps”… There are no playlists, and population with those DLC’s, is so small… Because of that politic of 343… Don’t make DLC’s if you don’t now what to do with them, or how to implement thme… I did not play more then 10 match outside the DLC’s playlist’s… That is how big population is… And, they are not best maps, they are best camping maps…

Again, I don’t get you people.
I play 1 DLC match per every 5. I have seen only 1 camo user, and 3 jetpack people. I never see any stickies, and the PP and BS are usually replaced by a magnum for most people I fight.
And your writing style needs less pause between sentences. Put in one period, not four.
OT: Keep the lightrifle, then do what you want to the game.

> > > Nothing, change everything… Evan a design time, for maps… Politic abut DLC’s playlists, or don’t release DLC’s at all…
> >
> > Except you know, the DLC maps in H4 are the best maps in H4. Maybe you should stop ripping on every single thing in H4, and give actual reasons.
> >
> >
> > But I want to keep my LR.
>
> I can’t play that “best maps”… There are no playlists, and population with those DLC’s, is so small… Because of that politic of 343… Don’t make DLC’s if you don’t now what to do with them, or how to implement them… I did not play more then 10 match outside the DLC’s playlist’s… That is how big population is… And, they are not best maps, they are best camping maps… MP in Halo 4 is terrible, CoD with halo skins… That is all… There is NO HALO in Halo 4… Only call of duty… It is how bad 343 created the game… And population figure is showing that… P2P system NEED to get OUT of Halo 5… 99% of games are in small or big lag… That is terrible… Match making system don’t work from day one… I need to wait 5-10 min to find players, and then get message restarting match making… And then another 5-10 min… From 2 H playing halo 4, 1H and 30 min is in match making…

Well lets see.

  1. You obviously haven’t played team slayer in the last few weeks.
  2. I play DLC maps fairly often.
  3. How would you know if they were camping maps if you have never played them because of how 343 dlc playlists work?
    3.5. None of them are camping maps. You obviously haven’t played on them at all if you think they are camping maps.
  4. Not Cod with Halo skins, Halo with COD options. You obviously never played Legendary Slayer, the only thing different about it is Sprint, and flinch.
    5.P2P is not in Halo 5. The announced it when they announced H5
  5. That is because of your location to other players, and the lighting system which lags the game tenfold. Guess what, Halo 3 used the exact same matchmaking system.

@Noble. I like the LR, but it wouldn’t work in H3, because of De-scope. It would only really work if it was a mini sniper. (ie: LR spawns at bases, Sniper spawns at center map.)

> > > > Nothing, change everything… Evan a design time, for maps… Politic abut DLC’s playlists, or don’t release DLC’s at all…
> > >
> > > Except you know, the DLC maps in H4 are the best maps in H4. Maybe you should stop ripping on every single thing in H4, and give actual reasons.
> > >
> > >
> > > But I want to keep my LR.
> >
> > I can’t play that “best maps”… There are no playlists, and population with those DLC’s, is so small… Because of that politic of 343… Don’t make DLC’s if you don’t now what to do with them, or how to implement them… I did not play more then 10 match outside the DLC’s playlist’s… That is how big population is… And, they are not best maps, they are best camping maps… MP in Halo 4 is terrible, CoD with halo skins… That is all… There is NO HALO in Halo 4… Only call of duty… It is how bad 343 created the game… And population figure is showing that… P2P system NEED to get OUT of Halo 5… 99% of games are in small or big lag… That is terrible… Match making system don’t work from day one… I need to wait 5-10 min to find players, and then get message restarting match making… And then another 5-10 min… From 2 H playing halo 4, 1H and 30 min is in match making…
>
> Well lets see.
> 1. You obviously haven’t played team slayer in the last few weeks.
> 2. I play DLC maps fairly often.
> 3. How would you know if they were camping maps if you have never played them because of how 343 dlc playlists work?
> 3.5. None of them are camping maps. You obviously haven’t played on them at all if you think they are camping maps.
> 4. Not Cod with Halo skins, Halo with COD options. You obviously never played Legendary Slayer, the only thing different about it is Sprint, and flinch.
> 5.P2P is not in Halo 5. The announced it when they announced H5
> 6. That is because of your location to other players, and the lighting system which lags the game tenfold. Guess what, Halo 3 used the exact same matchmaking system.

  1. Did, but i sad outside then playlist’s for dlc’s…
  2. I em not…
  3. Play them in playlists, when they wore available.
    3.5. They are… Stop being a Halo 4 fan boy.
  4. Play COD for 1H, and then play Halo 4, is a same game… Absolutely a same game…
  5. They sad, but there is no confirmation, from E3…
  6. No it is not… Look on forum, there is 10 000 topic with that lag problems… It can’t be that hole world is bead location… From NW, London, Paris… People are saying WE HAVE LAG PROBLEMS… And 343 sad WE DON’T CARE…