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> Clamber doesn’t necessitate any map alteration because it was a feature needed for a long time with the already existing maps. Countless times people trying to jump and almost make it, only to fail the jump on any map shows that clamber is needed to smooth player movement. Its something that happens on every map.
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Through the design of the map. Stop being so selective with your rebuttals.
Wrong. It does. Halo 5’s take on Halo 2’s Midship (most well known as Heretic, a Halo 3 remake) includes clamber areas all over the map as part of its design. It’s not merely used to help players reach a jump, but also upper areas.
It’s another “natural” ability that dictates the design process of a map. Where players are able to jump and clamber. How far distances between platforms will be.
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> You think you should be able to make jumps with clamber, he doesn’t.
Not really, actually. I’m merely pointing out that simple additions to the game’s mechanics vastly alter the map design process and how they play. He apparently is set upon the belief that this is not the case.
Didn’t like any of them, then again I didn’t like Halo 4 a whole lot so that probably explains it, if I had to chose a few I would have to go with Exile because that was decent at times, would of chosen Skyline as it looked really good but I never got the chance to play it.
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> Clamber doesn’t necessitate any map alteration because it was a feature needed for a long time with the already existing maps.
No it wasn’t, the games played great without clamber, it wasn’t something people were not banging on Bungie’s door asking for clamber.
And believe me, maps will be altered to facilitate new abilities such as clamber- prime example being Midship/Truth.
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> Countless times people trying to jump and almost make it, only to fail the jump on any map shows that clamber is needed to smooth player movement. Its something that happens on every map.
Jumping is a skill, if you fail it you fail it and have to try again and learn them, the game shouldn’t have to hold your hand if you fail.
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No, if you successfully jump onto it you should be rewarded, not have an ability to just give you instant success for failing.
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> Didn’t like any of them, then again I didn’t like Halo 4 a whole lot so that probably explains it, if I had to chose a few I would have to go with Exile because that was decent at times, would of chosen Skyline as it looked really good but I never got the chance to play it.
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Jumping was a skill in the early 90’s when developers struggled to grasp 3D design and world navigation. Nowadays jumping is an ability, just like crouching or walking or running these are basic abilities that should be effortless to the play. There is no point in gimping your game by sticking to archaic conventions. Its like saying Tomb Raider from the ps1 is better than its anniversary edition because it takes a lot more skill (effort) to perform basic actions. So lame.
As the mechanics change map remakes get harder. Truth is proof of this in how large it is now compared to Midship. Its isnt a bad thing, but could -Yoink!- the feel of the map that the developers want to remake. I think Halo 4 would have an easier time with this as it already had sprint and thruster packs. I would like to see Haven, and Adrift for small scale maps. I would like to see Longbow, and Exile for the larger maps.
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> Jumping was a skill in the early 90’s when developers struggled to grasp 3D design and world navigation. Nowadays jumping is an ability, just like crouching or walking or running these are basic abilities that should be effortless to the play. There is no point in gimping your game by sticking to archaic conventions. Its like saying Tomb Raider from the ps1 is better than its anniversary edition because it takes a lot more skill (effort) to perform basic actions. So lame.
Yes jumping is a basic ability but it is how you jump and getting the jumps on maps right that is the skill, this is a good example of a jump/jumps that requires skill and practice, you can’t just do it at the hit of a button.
You can do that with clamber too. For people who feel pride in performing basic actions like jumping a ledge they can chose not to press A to climb. For people who have outgrown the wonders of basic 3D movement and is more focused on the shooting clamber is a nice addition.
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> You can do that with clamber too. For people who feel pride in performing basic actions like jumping a ledge they can chose not to press A to climb.
That could also chose to miss the jump and go to the bottom if they want to, I fail to see the difference between a clamber and a jump in this situation and fail to see what clambers add to the game, the only thing I see it doing is providing an “easy way out” when you fail a jump.
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> For people who have outgrown the wonders of basic 3D movement and is more focused on the shooting clamber is a nice addition.
Wouldn’t clamber make it worse for people who like shooting since it moves your gun when you perform the clamber? When your jumping you at least have your gun out.
Could you please define “basic 3D movement” and expand upon what makes clamber not fit under this definition.
The Halo 4 maps suffered from the unbalanced starts and loadouts during multiplayer. A lot of the maps are actually really cool, such as:
Longbow
Exile
Most DLC maps, as I played in them in MCC and they’re amazing
So I would tell 343i to remake Longbow and a Halo 4 DLC map. I do not support Reach maps, as they are based on the campaign and aren’t designed completely for multiplayer. They should also remake some Halo CE maps.
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> Jumping was a skill in the early 90’s when developers struggled to grasp 3D design and world navigation. Nowadays jumping is an ability, just like crouching or walking or running these are basic abilities that should be effortless to the play. There is no point in gimping your game by sticking to archaic conventions. Its like saying Tomb Raider from the ps1 is better than its anniversary edition because it takes a lot more skill (effort) to perform basic actions. So lame.
And that’s wrong because…? God forbid a game these days takes some amount of skill, we certainly can’t have that happen.
Pray tell why they SHOULD be effortless.
Anyways that’s not even the original argument. Map design must change in some areas. Ledges that were intentionally too high to jump before must be raised so that they can’t be clambered either. Maybe that’s not significant, but its a change nonetheless.
If anything, maybe Abandon. But I prefer they just went the spiritual successor route and make brand new maps instead of taking them from previous games.
i want to see, from H:reach countdown, power house,and from H4, haven and adrift. these would might work with the new abilities. especially Haven and Adrift. maybe day break
im a sucker for classic maps, but I really didn’t find much flaw in H4 MP maps.
I could see any of them working…
I want to see more fore capabilities in the maps shipped in game