We follow up a space scene were jul shows Halsey his Fleet and in the distance you see a new high charity ship class How would you react.
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New High Charity/Covenant-equivalent of Infinity I could see.
Prophets working with the Covenant? No. Never. Not since the lies of the Halos and the Great Schism. If Elites are the leaders, Prophets will never work with the Covenant. Also, Jul is basically the new Truth, so why would he need a Prophet to tell him what’s up when the Didact himself is telling him what’s up?
> We follow up a space scene were jul shows Halsey his Fleet and in the distance you see a new high charity ship class and a new prophet ruler how would you react ? i think this is possible.
I’m not saying this is impossible, but more or less highly unlikely. <mark>I would still need a little bit more back story on what happened and how we have a prophet ruler and a new high charity ship.</mark> Just to actually picture this I would imagine this would take a lot of explaining on this subject.
If possible please put a little bit more info on the thread. Thanks.
> Prophets working with the Covenant? No. Never. Not since the lies of the Halos and the Great Schism.
Not to mention the San 'Shyuum are all but extinct, worse than before. Most of them died on High Charity, and their population is estimated at less than 1,000. They’re in no position to lead anyone.
> > Prophets working with the Covenant? No. Never. Not since the lies of the Halos and the Great Schism.
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> Not to mention the San 'Shyuum are all but extinct, worse than before. Most of them died on High Charity, and their population is estimated at less than 1,000. They’re in no position to lead anyone.
ah ok but scratch the prophet idea and just have jul what if he had a high charity class ship
There is no “High Charity” class of ship or space station. High Charity was formed when the San 'Shyuum who left their homeworld activated the Dreadnought and when it launched it took a piece of their home-world with it. The station we know as High Charity was built around that chunk.
Jul can’t get another High Charity since another doesn’t exist.
> There is no “High Charity” class of ship or space station. High Charity was formed when the San 'Shyuum who left their homeworld activated the Dreadnought and when it launched it took a piece of their home-world with it. The station we know as High Charity was built around that chunk.
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> Jul can’t get another High Charity since another doesn’t exist.
Pretty much this.
High Charity was also powered by the Forerunner Dreadnought. Seeing as how those probably aren’t easy to find everywhere, there wouldn’t be another way to construct a new one anyway.
Unless, of course, the Didact -Yoink!- them in the construction of another city-ship.
> Unless, of course, the Didact -Yoink!- them in the construction of another city-ship.
He is in no position to.
How do we know that?
> How do we know that?
Given that the epilogue implies he is in Forerunner custody, I’d say that he isn’t in any position to help the Covenant build a new High Charity. Seriously, what would a new High Charity even add?
So then how is he able to still give orders to the Storm Covenant on Requiem? (Strongly indicated by the flash of his symbol when Requiem is doomed to the sun.) The Epilogue only tells or implies that he stands accused by what remains of the Forerunner ecumene. It is conjecture to state that he is in custody.
As for a massive city-ship on the scale and function of High Charity, not only would it provide a solid fortress for the Storm Covenant - currently no better than pirates - it ensure their dominance. Imagine, if you will, that currently the rest of the Covenant races laughs at the Storm. They balk at their tactics and dismiss their cause as frivolous and doomed to fail. With a city-ship, the Storm would not only change those views, they would likely gather support quickly and devoutly. Who would dare to stand against the one Sangheili that speaks for the gods returned, and who clearly has their favor with such gifts?
And what would the Didact gather from it? All the more fervent and loyal foot soldiers in his growing war against Humanity; foot soldiers that not only take orders as well as his Promethean Knights, but who hate humanity almost as much as he does (something the Knights cannot do.)
> ]So then how is he able to still give orders to the Storm Covenant on Requiem?[/h] (Strongly indicated by the flash of his symbol when Requiem is doomed to the sun.) The Epilogue only tells or implies that he stands accused by what remains of the Forerunner ecumene. It is conjecture to state that he is in custody.
Who says he didn’t leave a series of instructions for Jul before he left? A lot of things could’ve happened behind-the-scenes. After all, how did Jul know where the Librarian’s Shrine and it’s contents were?
> As for a massive city-ship on the scale and function of High Charity, not only would it provide a solid fortress for the Storm Covenant - currently no better than pirates - it ensure their dominance. Imagine, if you will, that currently the rest of the Covenant races laughs at the Storm. They balk at their tactics and dismiss their cause as frivolous and doomed to fail. With a city-ship, the Storm would not only change those views, they would likely gather support quickly and devoutly. Who would dare to stand against the one Sangheili that speaks for the gods returned, and who clearly has their favor with such gifts?
I don’t see why other Covenant factions would laugh at Jul’s efforts and simply stop because they have a fortress ship. After all, Jul managed to amass a huge force all on his own because of his story. Now that he has a piece of the Janus Key and likely a horde of remaining Prometheans, who would claim his efforts are doomed to fail?
> And what would the Didact gather from it? <mark>All the more fervent and loyal foot soldiers in his growing war against Humanity</mark>; foot soldiers that not only take orders as well as his Promethean Knights, but who hate humanity almost as much as he does (something the Knights cannot do.)
A growing war he isn’t anywhere near waging.
> Who says he didn’t leave a series of instructions for Jul before he left? A lot of things could’ve happened behind-the-scenes. After all, how did Jul know where the Librarian’s Shrine and it’s contents were?
How indeed. Given all that we have, it is just as likely that the Didact is leading the Storm Covenant himself as it is that he left instruction.
> I don’t see why other Covenant factions would laugh at Jul’s efforts and simply stop because they have a fortress ship.
I quite imagine how the Sangheili and their allies would laugh at a back-water group that is reliant on stolen and discarded outdated tech. (And of which I certainly wouldn’t call a “huge force.”) With the might of Sangheilios behind them, they likely view the Storm Covenant as no better than Jackals.
Yet if suddenly, this group shows up with a ship that dwarfs any ship that either the Sangheili or the UNSC owns… Well it would be very prudent to listen to them. And given the religious nature of the Sangheili et al, that such a ship was gifted by a living Forerunner would make their cause all the more justified.
> Now that he has a piece of the Janus Key and likely a horde of remaining Prometheans, who would claim his efforts are doomed to fail?
Those that don’t know of those things; namely the Sangheili allied to the Arbiter.
> A growing war he isn’t anywhere near waging.
Yet again, how do we know that? He very obviously has made more Promethean Knights, and he already declared that war when he attacked Earth and denounced humanity as the Galaxy’s greatest threat. Should he gain more loyal followers and soldiers, his war is well under way.
> How indeed. Given all that we have, it is just as likely that the Didact is leading the Storm Covenant himself as it is that he left instruction.
What about how he is in Forerunner custody? If he is being accused of a crime, reason would follow he is being held in custody for a trial. That is how most justice systems work. So I don’t see how he can lead the Storm when he isn’t around.
> I quite imagine how the Sangheili and their allies would laugh at a back-water group that is reliant on stolen and discarded outdated tech. <mark>(And of which I certainly wouldn’t call a “huge force.”)</mark> With the might of Sangheilios behind them, they likely view the Storm Covenant as no better than Jackals.
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> Yet if suddenly, this group shows up with a ship that dwarfs any ship that either the Sangheili or the UNSC owns… Well it would be very prudent to listen to them. And given the religious nature of the Sangheili et al, that such a ship was gifted by a living Forerunner would make their cause all the more justified.
Why can’t we call Jul’s force huge? It was big enough to keep the UNSC at bay on Requiem. And as for other Sangheili mocking back-water Sangheili and their out-dated technology, that describes themselves as well given that they don’t know how to make new ships or even repair the ones they have. Everybody is scrapping by.
> Those that don’t know of those things; namely the Sangheili allied to the Arbiter.
Does he have room to mock when he could only muster about three ships to help him when the Servants of Abiding Truth attacked?
> Yet again, how do we know that? He very obviously has made more Promethean Knights, and he already declared that war when he attacked Earth and denounced humanity as the Galaxy’s greatest threat. Should he gain more loyal followers and soldiers, his war is well under way.
Because of what I said above.
> What about how he is in Forerunner custody?
Again, we don’t know that he is in custody. We only know that he is “Accused of the ‘sin’ of ensuring Forerunner ascendancy.” This doesn’t even indicate that it’s a crime he’s being accused of, only that perhaps the Forerunner ecumene strongly disapproves of his actions. If that’s even a modern dialogue, and not a recantation of the past. But in all truth, it’s no better than someone being accused of being a bad person, or a person named a sinner by the Vatican. Nothing strongly indicates custody, and so nothing hinders the possibility that he is leading the Storm Covenant.
> Why can’t we call Jul’s force huge? It was big enough to keep the UNSC at bay on Requiem.
Did it now? And the fact that the Infinity was disabled, and there were also Forerunner forces crawling all over the decks and the planet had no part in that? Or (more debatable,) that the Captain of the Infinity was overly-cautious of his unfathomably expensive ship.
Why shouldn’t we call his fleet huge? Because compared to the combined might of Sangheilios and their allies of the UNSC, Jul’s fleet really is not. From the Kilo Five books, we know the Storm Covenant to essentially be scavengers. Their assets are called considerable, but it is clearly noted that they are not as dominant a faction as “huge” would indicate.
> And as for other Sangheili mocking back-water Sangheili and their out-dated technology, that describes themselves as well given that they don’t know how to make new ships or even repair the ones they have. Everybody is scrapping by.
And yet, to their knowledge, they have all the big friends, especially after the show of the Infinity on Sangheilios. To them, a rag-tag group of rebels isn’t anything to worry about, and they’re not privy to the facts that we are.