What ultimately has the higher canon? Halo Fall of Reach book or the Animated Series? I’ve read and watched both material, but I was ultimately wondering what had the higher canon, and I assume the book of course
The book.
100% the book.
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> The book.
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> 100% the book.
Thank you, Adaptations of things confuse me.
Well the animated sorta retcons the book, More In line with Halo:Reach. Since blue team had all the Mark IV variants. Like Kelly having an early hermes/EVA
Halopedia seems to be trying to make both canon by splattering the once pristine Mark IV page with all these new canonical screw-up armor permutations amongst other things, which is certainly confusing the matter.
… Though that started when Halo: Legends and Forward Unto Dawn created their own BS interpretations of Mark IV which was basically Mark VI but whatever…
But generally, the book is way better - not only that, it planted the seeds for basically 90% of the lore we have today. ODSTs, rampancy, Blue Team, space battles, Halsey… I could go on a loooong time.
So I’d say the book at least deserves to be higher canon, and I’m pretty sure it is, considering some of the massive and immensely lazy canonical failures of the animation. Y’know, Postwar weapons at the start of the war, thrusters integrated into the armor, so much of the Watts mission… The actual Fall of Reach…
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> Halopedia seems to be trying to make both canon by splattering the once pristine Mark IV page with all these new canonical screw-up armor permutations amongst other things, which is certainly confusing the matter.
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> … Though that started when Halo: Legends and Forward Unto Dawn created their own BS interpretations of Mark IV which was basically Mark VI but whatever…
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> But generally, the book is way better - not only that, it planted the seeds for basically 90% of the lore we have today. ODSTs, rampancy, Blue Team, space battles, Halsey… I could go on a loooong time.
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> So I’d say the book at least deserves to be higher canon, and I’m pretty sure it is, considering some of the massive and immensely lazy canonical failures of the animation. Y’know, Postwar weapons at the start of the war, thrusters integrated into the armor, so much of the Watts mission… The actual Fall of Reach…
ODST?
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> Halopedia seems to be trying to make both canon by splattering the once pristine Mark IV page with all these new canonical screw-up armor permutations amongst other things, which is certainly confusing the matter.
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> … Though that started when Halo: Legends and Forward Unto Dawn created their own BS interpretations of Mark IV which was basically Mark VI but whatever…
Well we needed to consider them as variants of Mark IV. We cant ignore them simply due to the fact that they exist and are defined variants.
I mean till we get a name for these variants the only place we can put them in is there.(I was the one who updated that page) 
The book without a doubt. Its been ages since I read the Nyland Books (Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike)… before H3 was launched. But the Animated Series on Halo Channel seems to me like a watered down “concise” version of the book.
Why do people not get that the Mark IV and V may have had varients other than the standard outfit?
Are you suggesting that varients of armour only became a thing in 2552 with the Mark VI?
The ‘Mark V’ helmet was recreated as a varient of the Mark VI armour (in Halo 3), then again for the Gen 2 (halo 4 and 5), but whats to say that the Mark V wasn’t already a remake of a Mark IV varient?
There is nothing to suggest that Blue Team didn’t use vareints of Mark IV back in the day, and then their favorite helmets were recreated for the Mark V, VI and Gen 2.
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> > Halopedia seems to be trying to make both canon by splattering the once pristine Mark IV page with all these new canonical screw-up armor permutations amongst other things, which is certainly confusing the matter.
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> > … Though that started when Halo: Legends and Forward Unto Dawn created their own BS interpretations of Mark IV which was basically Mark VI but whatever…
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> > But generally, the book is way better - not only that, it planted the seeds for basically 90% of the lore we have today. ODSTs, rampancy, Blue Team, space battles, Halsey… I could go on a loooong time.
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> > So I’d say the book at least deserves to be higher canon, and I’m pretty sure it is, considering some of the massive and immensely lazy canonical failures of the animation. Y’know, Postwar weapons at the start of the war, thrusters integrated into the armor, so much of the Watts mission… The actual Fall of Reach…
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Yeah, ODSTs were mentioned in Fall of Reach. John beats the crap out of three of them remember?
(SOMETHING THE ANIMATORS FAILED TO SHOW CORRECTLY I SHOULD NOTE)
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> > Halopedia seems to be trying to make both canon by splattering the once pristine Mark IV page with all these new canonical screw-up armor permutations amongst other things, which is certainly confusing the matter.
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> > … Though that started when Halo: Legends and Forward Unto Dawn created their own BS interpretations of Mark IV which was basically Mark VI but whatever…
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> Well we needed to consider them as variants of Mark IV. We cant ignore them simply due to the fact that they exist and are defined variants.
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> I mean till we get a name for these variants the only place we can put them in is there.(I was the one who updated that page)
Your approach is a sound one.
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> > > Halopedia seems to be trying to make both canon by splattering the once pristine Mark IV page with all these new canonical screw-up armor permutations amongst other things, which is certainly confusing the matter.
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> > Well we needed to consider them as variants of Mark IV. We cant ignore them simply due to the fact that they exist and are defined variants.
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> > I mean till we get a name for these variants the only place we can put them in is there.(I was the one who updated that page)
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> Your approach is a sound one.
Could we get names for these variants to make our approach more sound? Pretty please?
I hope the book is. But I don’t know if they retconed it.
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> > > Halopedia seems to be trying to make both canon by splattering the once pristine Mark IV page with all these new canonical screw-up armor permutations amongst other things, which is certainly confusing the matter.
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> > > … Though that started when Halo: Legends and Forward Unto Dawn created their own BS interpretations of Mark IV which was basically Mark VI but whatever…
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> > > But generally, the book is way better - not only that, it planted the seeds for basically 90% of the lore we have today. ODSTs, rampancy, Blue Team, space battles, Halsey… I could go on a loooong time.
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> > > So I’d say the book at least deserves to be higher canon, and I’m pretty sure it is, considering some of the massive and immensely lazy canonical failures of the animation. Y’know, Postwar weapons at the start of the war, thrusters integrated into the armor, so much of the Watts mission… The actual Fall of Reach…
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> Yeah, ODSTs were mentioned in Fall of Reach. John beats the crap out of three of them remember?
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Failed to show correctly but they were there.
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> Why do people not get that the Mark IV and V may have had varients other than the standard outfit?
> Are you suggesting that varients of armour only became a thing in 2552 with the Mark VI?
> The ‘Mark V’ helmet was recreated as a varient of the Mark VI armour (in Halo 3), then again for the Gen 2 (halo 4 and 5), but whats to say that the Mark V wasn’t already a remake of a Mark IV varient?
> There is nothing to suggest that Blue Team didn’t use vareints of Mark IV back in the day, and then their favorite helmets were recreated for the Mark V, VI and Gen 2.
And I hope to see these variants in game like Mark IV standard
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> Well the animated sorta retcons the book, More In line with Halo:Reach. Since blue team had all the Mark IV variants. Like Kelly having an early hermes/EVA
How? I found a large bit of inconsistent material from watching the animated show.
Such as the use of the BR85HB, SRS99-S5 and John using an MA5D instead of a MA5B
the use of M7 SMGs instead of MA2Bs
John murder-beating the ODSTs not in a Boxing ring
I know there are more, I would just need to rewatch it, those I listed are the ones that bugged me the most
Frankie said once that the animated series did not retcon entirely the novel. Some changes were made for artistic reasons, etc.
But a number of things have become canon indeed. For example, Grim once confirmed that Sam’s helmet was canon. It was indeed the CQB’s design, though CQB armor did not exist yet at the time. It was some kind of prototypical design.
For the different variations of the Mark IV, it’s believable. For example, we do have different Mark VI. Most of the time, they’re just called Mark VI, but we know that there are the original Mark VI (Halo 2, Halo 3), the upgraded Mark VI (Halo 4 campaign), Mark VI GEN2 and Mark VI GEN1 (multiplayer in Halo 4 and Halo 5), and the GEN2 Mark VI (mod) from Halo 5’s campaign…
There are also Alpha and (probably) Beta versions of the Mark V.
So all these Mark IV from Forward Unto Dawn, Halo Legends, etc., could have their own minor designations, like Mark IV (mod), Mark IV Zeta, or whatever 343 come up with…
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> Frankie said once that the animated series did not retcon entirely the novel. Some changes were made for artistic reasons, etc.
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> But a number of things have become canon indeed. For example, Grim once confirmed that Sam’s helmet was canon. It was indeed the CQB’s design, though CQB armor did not exist yet at the time. It was some kind of prototypical design.
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> For the different variations of the Mark IV, it’s believable. For example, we do have different Mark VI. Most of the time, they’re just called Mark VI, but we know that there are the original Mark VI (Halo 2, Halo 3), the upgraded Mark VI (Halo 4 campaign), Mark VI GEN2 and Mark VI GEN1 (multiplayer in Halo 4 and Halo 5), and the GEN2 Mark VI (mod) from Halo 5’s campaign…
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> There are also Alpha and (probably) Beta versions of the Mark V.
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> So all these Mark IV from Forward Unto Dawn, Halo Legends, etc., could have their own minor designations, like Mark IV (mod), Mark IV Zeta, or whatever 343 come up with…
I think the ‘artistic reasons’ are just an excuse for 343i to retcon the series in their own image, like how they try to justify the new covenant designs by saying they are just a different sub species and then refusing to use any but the new sub species they made up or how all mjolnir armor looks like it came from Halo 4 or 5 no matter what time period they show.
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> > Frankie said once that the animated series did not retcon entirely the novel. Some changes were made for artistic reasons, etc.
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> > But a number of things have become canon indeed. For example, Grim once confirmed that Sam’s helmet was canon. It was indeed the CQB’s design, though CQB armor did not exist yet at the time. It was some kind of prototypical design.
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> > For the different variations of the Mark IV, it’s believable. For example, we do have different Mark VI. Most of the time, they’re just called Mark VI, but we know that there are the original Mark VI (Halo 2, Halo 3), the upgraded Mark VI (Halo 4 campaign), Mark VI GEN2 and Mark VI GEN1 (multiplayer in Halo 4 and Halo 5), and the GEN2 Mark VI (mod) from Halo 5’s campaign…
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> > There are also Alpha and (probably) Beta versions of the Mark V.
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> > So all these Mark IV from Forward Unto Dawn, Halo Legends, etc., could have their own minor designations, like Mark IV (mod), Mark IV Zeta, or whatever 343 come up with…
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> I think the ‘artistic reasons’ are just an excuse for 343i to retcon the series in their own image, like how they try to justify the new covenant designs by saying they are just a different sub species and then refusing to use any but the new sub species they made up or how all mjolnir armor looks like it came from Halo 4 or 5 no matter what time period they show.
If it were a retcon the old designed would be gone, 343 has put forward the effort to assign new designations and ensure that they can coexist in universe.
They try to show the new Covenant more often to compensate with the fact that those hadn’t showed up during the first decade of Halo. It was expectable that the Covenant were not as limited as they were in the past, same for UNSC stuff. Not every Covenant species looks the same all the time, there are various phenotypes, ethnic groups, etc. Similarly, the UNSC were not limited to only two or three types of Pelicans, for example.
So it’s normal to see Storm-class Covenant during the events of FoR, or the D79 Pelican during FUD.
As for the old MJOLNIR armors, don’t forget that they try to reinclude them in the game. In Halo 5, they brought back the Mark VI GEN1 (Halo 3-style), the Mark IV GEN1 (Halo Wars-style), etc. So it’s not retconned either.