What Halo 4 should have been. LONG READ

Games Other Halo
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This is my first post. I have been reading countless threads since halo 4 release about its crap. Armor abilities, default sprint and ordinance drops. Personally I hate armor abilities but armor abilities and ordnance can have a place in halo that runs smoothly. Some want the old halo feel and some are glad halo is evolving.

I love halo 3 but yes it should evolve but don’t you think its evolving to fast? You don’t think they are adding to much so quickly? Halo 3 was mega successful. We loved halo 3 but halo had to evolve. How much did it have to evolve though? Halo 3 was fun, addictive and frustrating and most of us loved it. Halo already had its fan base.COD already had its fan base. The difference is COD don’t care about attracting halo players.

You have to admit like it or not isn’t weird going from halo 3 basic game play to default camo, armor lock, holo, sprint, jet packs and PV. I’m speaking about reach and halo 4. We played halo 3 with few options. Assault rifle, Br, weapon pickups and ability pickups. Now we are flying through the air, seeing through walls, getting care packages and making are fake twin run across the map.

Also they wanted to attract cod players and noobs. Understandable but its to much for them to learn. Imagine being a noob. You play halo 4. Your getting killed by skilled dmr and br over and over. Your running at a holo shooting it. Your shooting someone who suddenly starts flying. Your walking and someone who was invisible kills you. You die by a camper and realize he can see through walls. You realize your dying over and over again from power weapons. A noob will quit halo not care to learn it.

Its to much to soon. They should have built upon halo 3. Here is how halo 4 should have been keeping the core of the beloved halo 3 while also evolving. A few already listed this but yes the DMR should be a pickup. I don’t really use it cause it feels cheap to me. Don’t say cause I suck you can check my stats. I only use it on complex or when I pick it up when running low on ammo.

There should be NO default armor abilities. I’m sure a lot of you feel this way. Lately I have been in games where I’m seeing holo’s all game. Invisible camping people all game and people seeing through walls all game. Its like a big circus sometimes. A guy flying through the air. A guy seeing through walls. I guy sending out a fake twin. A guy turning invisible. Sometimes its just to much.

ARMOR ABILITIES SHOULD BE ORDNANCE DROPS. Power weapons in ordnance should be weapon pickups. Ordnance should be a little harder to get. Sprint should also be a ordnance drop and default speed should be increased a little. Now if they kept halo 3 game play and added this we have it all. Halo 4 armor abilities and weapons. That would be evolving the basic halo while adding new features. Not having default everything angering a lot of long time players and changing game play drastically.

Halo 4 is a good game but its a circus a lot of the time because of default abilities. Having abilities as ordnance drops and sped up halo 3 game play is what we should have gotten in halo 4. Why change a mega successful game gameplay so much. I like the concept of ordnance drops and armor abilities. Halo 4 would just be so much better with armor abilities as ordnance drops and power weapons as pickups. Abilities should be earned not given to all game.

This is only my opinion of course and I respect everyone’s opinion. I know some love halo 4 the way it is. Its a good game. I just feel like they over did it. They could have kept everything they have now but did it smarter. Someone said this in another thread that made total sense. I don’t want a game that’s better than reach I want a game that’s better than halo 3. We got a game based on reach. This is HALO 4! We should have gotten a game based on halo 3.

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tl/dr reach was great, Halo 4 is great, halo 3 nostalgists need to move on or go back to Halo 3.

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> tl/dr reach was great, Halo 4 is great, halo 3 nostalgists need to move on or go back to Halo 3.

The definition of Ignorance right here.

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> tl/dr reach was great, Halo 4 is great, halo 3 nostalgists need to move on or go back to Halo 3.

Ignorance?
They could have made the game work for both communties(competitive and casual). But instead catered to the casuals once again.

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> > tl/dr reach was great, Halo 4 is great, halo 3 nostalgists need to move on or go back to Halo 3.
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> The definition of Ignorance right here.

Indeed.

I am through reading the posts of these broken-record competitives. I am now ignoring them, and simply stating my opinion of the game: great.

Seriously, if you hardcores want Halo 3 so -Yoinking!- badly, the servers for that game are still up.

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No no no no no no no no NO! You seriously do not understand what 343 was going for when it comes for Armor Abilities. Armor Abilities are Special Abilities that you can use but of course you can only have one and use the one you’ve chosen wisely but it should NOT be Only found in Ordnance drops. No its meant to be items you get at the start And that also includes Sprint which is meant to be an default ability that you can use at almost all times not an Ordnance Drop.

If you get killed by people who uses Active Camo, Hologram, Jet-pack, X-ray Vision, etc, Then thats too bad bloody deal with it and get used to it. Adapt already. This isn’t Halo 3 any-more. This is Halo 4.

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> > > tl/dr reach was great, Halo 4 is great, halo 3 nostalgists need to move on or go back to Halo 3.
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> > The definition of Ignorance right here.
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> Indeed.
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> I am through reading the posts of these broken-record competitives. I am now ignoring them, and simply stating my opinion of the game: great.
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> Seriously, if you hardcores want Halo 3 so -Yoinking!- badly, the servers for that game are still up.

You’re a Fotus wearer, anything you say is thus void.

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May I interrupt? Halo original was the best Halo of All time.

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> May I interrupt? Halo original was the best Halo of All time.

And do you know why, good sir?

No Xbox Live.
No stat tracking.
No ranks.
No MLG.
Invincible vehicles and fun-as-hell physics.

Just good clean fun.

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> > > > tl/dr reach was great, Halo 4 is great, halo 3 nostalgists need to move on or go back to Halo 3.
> > >
> > > The definition of Ignorance right here.
> >
> > Indeed.
> >
> > I am through reading the posts of these broken-record competitives. I am now ignoring them, and simply stating my opinion of the game: great.
> >
> > Seriously, if you hardcores want Halo 3 so -Yoinking!- badly, the servers for that game are still up.
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> You’re a Fotus wearer, anything you say is thus void.

The only reason you would void my opinion based on armor is because you are jealous.

And that is just so cute.

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> > May I interrupt? Halo original was the best Halo of All time.
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> And do you know why, good sir?
>
> No Xbox Live.
> No stat tracking.
> No ranks.
> No MLG.
> Invincible vehicles and fun-as-hell physics.
>
> Just good clean fun.

Sarcasm, works awesome.

We are so, very sad.

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May I interrupt and say that a Halo 3 style competitive match is still possible with custom game options and the ability to place weapons on map instead of having them as ordnance drops? The only difference would be sprint really. You hardcore competitives can form a community and play strictly amongst yourselves if you would like. So stop complaining because you CAN have what you want, you’re just salty it’s not forced on everyone else.

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The way I see it, H4 should have been a ‘sequel’ to H3 rather than Reach, from a gameplay perspective.

Whilst it is obviously a continuation of the story from H3, in terms of gameplay H4 really seems to just be a tweaked Reach with a few extra layers of gimmicks piled on top.

> No MLG.

Wasn’t CE pretty huge with MLG? Even now most MLG players will praise it as the best Halo title, from what i’ve seen.

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> > > May I interrupt? Halo original was the best Halo of All time.
> >
> > And do you know why, good sir?
> >
> > No Xbox Live.
> > No stat tracking.
> > No ranks.
> > No MLG.
> > Invincible vehicles and fun-as-hell physics.
> >
> > Just good clean fun.
>
> Sarcasm, works awesome.
>
> We are so, very sad.

Are you saying you were sarcastic or I was? I wasn’t.

I would honestly pay full price for a port of Halo CE with XBL support for it’s multiplayer.

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I’m hoping that MLG will sort these problems out as these ideas of armour abilities in ordinance has been addressed in the MLG beta game types. I understand the frustration I’ve been playing online since halo 2 but I think it’s fun to see how others use the armour abilities I just hope that they listen to these types of threads and make sure that MLG is what the community want and doesn’t cater for casual gamers like the slayer game types have.

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> The way I see it, H4 should have been a ‘sequel’ to H3 rather than Reach, from a gameplay perspective.
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> Whilst it is obviously a continuation of the story from H3, in terms of gameplay H4 really seems to just be a tweaked Reach with a few extra layers of gimmicks piled on top.
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> > No MLG.
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> Wasn’t CE pretty huge with MLG? Even now most MLG players will praise it as the best Halo title, from what i’ve seen.

I was under the impression that MLG didn’t take off until 2004 with Halo 2.

Regardless, I hate that organization and nearly everything it stands for.

Striving to be the best at a game is all well and good, but there is no denying how MLG has corrupted online gamers. Just look at gamertags and youtube comments.

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your right, look at this way, forge i am guess you know forge right well forge in halo 3 was great it work better then ever i mean they only add it so you could change maps and because you could do anything you want, people made some really good maps, now lets take halo reach forge nothing was taken out only more was add but not to much to brake it, and they gave us the really big map, and then people started making even better maps, that’s halo forge changing small and people like it but halo reach matchmaking there was to much change i would say not that much that it change the way you played, i found it the same but halo 4 has change some much so fast, a big point is the weapon pick up and i mean just weapon’s place up on the wall i like having a weapon i can pick up and it got people around the place it was funnier, oh and halo 4 forge is broke i can use it but the maps are to small for me and to soft killed up the place.

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> I was under the impression that MLG didn’t take off until 2004 with Halo 2.
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> Regardless, I hate that organization and nearly everything it stands for.
>
> Striving to be the best at a game is all well and good, but there is no denying how MLG has corrupted online gamers. Just look at gamertags and youtube comments.

They weren’t founded until a year after CE came out but i’m pretty sure they used CE at quite a few events. A lot of MLG players still have CE LAN parties, I believe. H2 sort of overshadowed CE with the introduction of XBL, but even in the prime of H2 most MLG players preferred CE, iirc.

As an organization I find it to be really likeable. The employees tend to be incredibly friendly to all kinds of players and the professional players always tend to get pretty involved with the community, doing interviews with employees, helping test stuff and so on. In the run up to H4 some key MLG figures were probably the go-to source for H4 news and gameplay.

There has certainly been a problem with a minority of players giving the MLG and competitive community in general a bad name with their online antics, especially since MLG peaked in popularity and success in the H3 days, but this minority really don’t reflect the views or perspectives of the organization or its core community or whatever. They tend to just be wannabes that don’t use the MLG forums and have never been to an event trying to make themselves look like internet badasses, so to speak.

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> May I interrupt and say that a Halo 3 style competitive match is still possible with custom game options and the ability to place weapons on map instead of having them as ordnance drops? The only difference would be sprint really. You hardcore competitives can form a community and play strictly amongst yourselves if you would like. So stop complaining because you CAN have what you want, you’re just salty it’s not forced on everyone else.

Actually, we can’t. They told us we could could modify everything, but in reality you can’t. Drop spawning only works on one weapon for the entire map, so you need to have these ordnance drops on the level (which are also not great).
We do have a community and do choose to play amongst ourselves and no one is forcing anything on you. We want a playlist that brings halo back to being halo and fixes a lot of the stuff they needlessly changed.

You “casual” players should be upset too. They crippled custom game options, there are numerous glitches present in the game, essentially three maps for 4v4 slayer. This is a full retail game and the multiplayer is clearly a beta.

I really don’t understand why everyone has this undying loyalty to 343. This is their first game. If this were another game that didn’t have the Halo title attached to it, no one would be playing. No one would be arguing.
I love the gameplay of halo and the lore of halo, but i feel no need to defend what is in all actuality a bad game. 343 saw what COD does successfully and tried to implement those things in an effort to gain a greater player base. it failed. we are looking at the worst population numbers of any Halo game thus far.They wanted to cater to both competitive and casual crowds and they failed on both ends. the only ones who stuck around are people who have played these games forever and feel some kind of loyalty to the Halo name.

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> Actually, we can’t. They told us we could could modify everything, but in reality you can’t. Drop spawning only works on one weapon for the entire map, so you need to have these ordnance drops on the level (which are also not great).
> We do have a community and do choose to play amongst ourselves and no one is forcing anything on you. We want a playlist that brings halo back to being halo and fixes a lot of the stuff they needlessly changed.
>
> You “casual” players should be upset too. They crippled custom game options, there are numerous glitches present in the game, essentially three maps for 4v4 slayer. This is a full retail game and the multiplayer is clearly a beta.
>
> I really don’t understand why everyone has this undying loyalty to 343. This is their first game. If this were another game that didn’t have the Halo title attached to it, no one would be playing. No one would be arguing.
> I love the gameplay of halo and the lore of halo, but i feel no need to defend what is in all actuality a bad game. 343 saw what COD does successfully and tried to implement those things in an effort to gain a greater player base. it failed. we are looking at the worst population numbers of any Halo game thus far.They wanted to cater to both competitive and casual crowds and they failed on both ends. the only ones who stuck around are people who have played these games forever and feel some kind of loyalty to the Halo name.

Yes there are things that can be improved, agreed. Such as custom game options and a lot of the bugs that dramatically affect gameplay. In Halo 2/3 this competitive style of play was FORCED on the players in matchmaking. Halo 4 with forging(weapons/power-ups placed on maps) and the custom game options(hopefully will be improved) we can have the best of both worlds. I just can’t see how that makes this game “bad”.