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With halo infinite implying the use of time travel, especially with the legendary ending. Could what Guilty spark said to chief in Halo CE have meaning now? All the thing’s he said to chief implied he was there when the rings fired. For example
“Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?”
So with time travel looking likely after halo infinite, could wee see chief having to go back in time and possibly for some reason firing the rings or being involved in it in some way. I have not really read up in much of halos lore outside of the games. So im prepared for this idea to be completely shot down instantly. Is there any substance to this idea? Does it even make sense?
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I think Sparks being melodramatic. You’ve brought us this far, why stop now? Is closer to what he really meant.
With the Time Travel, something is definitely up. If I had to guess:
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There’s a full on back to the future time machine
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There’s a major plot twist in which what’s been six months for everybody on Zeta Halo has been significantly longer for everyone outside galaxy. So six years as opposed to six months for example.
But yeah, they could go back to the future and revisit parts of Halo. The problem is whilst they have Time Travel can they leave Zeta Halo? If you can’t get off the ring that would be a limit.
I do wonder how much of Destiny 1 Joe Staten is going to bring into the story. Stuff like the Vex.
What spark said seems way more than him just being melodramatic or even metaphorical. It was very specific and quite full on. I know it was because bungie intended on forerunners turning out to be humans before ditching that idea. But that dialogue is left in, so why not make use of it and actually give it meaning? What spark said is a pretty big deal and for it to be brushed aside as him simply making a mistake or something like that is disappointing. With the manipulation of time now playing a part, this could actually be addressed.
That line was written before they had separated Forerunner from human. The assertion being that, since humans were considered Forerunner at the time of CE’s writing, the Forerunner had fired the array before, and so why wouldn’t a Forerunner do it again? Since the Forerunner and human species were separated later on in the lore, it’s been retroactively modified to account for the fact that humans are set to reclaim the Mantle of Responsibility and therefore “are” Forerunner in terms of their role in the galaxy. Therefore, since humans “are” Forerunner in terms of their role in the galaxy (holding the Mantle of Responsibility), and therefore since the holders of the Mantle had fired the array before, then Spark’s comments make sense.
As far as time travel - time locks are the only time manipulation devices that are currently canon from the books, both regular time locks (slow down time) and reverse time locks (speed up time). I think it’s more likely that one of these was used to manipulate the speed of time within the Silent Auditorium than a full blown time travel machine. The other possibility is time dilation due to slipspace manipulation, but this is less likely given that Zeta Halo is the location where the Forerunners used a reverse time lock to execute the Primordial, IMO.
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Here is a part taken from Halopedia explaining why 343 Guilty Spark said that. Will have to understand aka read or watch a video explaining all three of the Forerunner saga books. This is from the third one and final one Halo: Silentium. Also, this might be a spoiler for Halo: Silentium so click if you want to Idk if it is or isn’t.
343 Guilty Spark’s dialogue " Last time you asked me if it were my choice, would I do it? " was a mystery for 12 years until the release of the novel Halo: Silentium which reveals that 343 Guilty Spark was referring to a question asked by the IsoDidact before 343 Guilty Spark was assigned to Installation 04, which was: " Tell me Chakas Guilty spark before becoming a monitor , if it was your choice, after all we have seen and survived… would you fire the rings? This revelation provides context for many of 343 Guilty Spark’s cryptic comments to John-117, in which he addresses the Master Chief as if they had met before and presumes the Spartan to be fully aware of protocol; it can be inferred that Spark somehow believed John to be the IsoDidact.
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Why would spark presume Chief was the Iso didact?
I suspect that Guilty Spark didn’t realize that the information contained in the Domain was wiped out, and that the Reclaimers didn’t have the knowledge of the Forerunners when they found his Halo ring. Much like how Bornstellar remembered the Didact’s whole life as if it were his own after receiving his mutation, it’s possible that Spark assumed Bornstellar’s life would be recorded in the Domain, and that the Reclaimer before him would have had the benefit of that first-hand knowledge.
I don’t think Spark actually mistook Chief for Bornstellar, rather that Spark wasn’t precise in his choice of wording. He was rampant from a hundred-thousand years of isolation after all.
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idk why spark thought that I just copy pasted from halopedia.
Damn I hate that they’ve brought time travel into the world.
They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel, and ignoring all the ripe content from the 2540s etc.
It’s one of the issues I have with the Forerunner trilogy, and why overall I think they’re an overrated set of stories. Time manipulation and a lot of the other stuff in the Forerunner trilogy were just too far into the fantasy sci-fi realm to fit with the rest of the Halo games and previous EU.
What was the time manipulation stuff in the forerunner trilogy? I don’t really recall any.
The IsoDidact uses a reverse timelock to accelerate time for the Primordial as a form of execution in Silentium, on Zeta Halo. This section of the book introduces timelocks (a “reverse” timelock, in and of itself, implies the existence of a timelock, and if a reverse time lock accelerates time, a regular timelock therefore slows time). This section of the book seems very strongly tied into the last act of Infinite and the implications of the Silent Auditorium (a place of exectuion…).
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Oh right! I suppose I didn’t find that particularly annoying, because the forerunners were so advanced, and that trilogy was so detached from the current canon. Now that Halo 4 and 5 reactivated all the forerunner stuff and Infinite is focusing on this stuff I could see how its more of an issue. Personally, vague notions of time dilation etc., like when the crystal dilates time in First Strike, don’t bother me as much as straight up time travel.
Thanks for clarifying.
Np, I imagine the time travel stuff with Infinite is more tied up with the dilation of a timelock and/or slipspace manipulation than a straight up HG Wells time machine, thankfully.
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Which in the ILOVEBEES story which is I think Cannon by 343I. A forerunner device sent half of an AI back into 2004 into the ILOVEBEES website so the forerunners made time travel possible so it could happen. This is spoiler for legendary ending Aritox did not time travel to a million years ago it just shows a date and the Aritox part does not take place at that time idk if that was hard to read watch the hiddenexprean vid on it
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Yeah, the images of the ending and the voiceover of the Legendary ending aren’t happening at the same time. It’s a timestamp for the voiceover, not the images you’re seeing. I think that screwed up a lot of people.
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Yes it did have to have 20
Yeah, that seems a bit lazy/confusing. Pretty weak addition for a legendary ending, IMO.
I liked it enough - I prefer my Forerunners in voiceover vs gameplay. And the entity who they introduced to be ComingSoonTM that I expect to play a part in the future is exciting to me. Overall, I view the ending of Infinite like I do the ending of Halo 2 - very much a cliff hanger, but exciting me for what’s next.
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I mean, it can’t possibly be as cheesy as “Sir, I’m here to finish this fight” or however that was.
I’ll say that it did feel weird, in the third game of what they once called the Reclaimer Saga (or was it trilogy?) to end with a cliffhanger and be back at the beginning of a ten year saga.
I suppose the Halo 1 & 2 legendary ending were pretty short as well. But wasn’t the legendary ending for Infinite just adding the voiceover to the post credit cutscene?