What do they mean when they say no covenant ?

Games Other Halo
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Do you mean none of the group or the aliens. Because I thought the covanant were no more and every thing from it join humans

ELites quit and join us.
Grunts I guess join us because they were treated so bad by the covenant
Brutes are being hunted to death by the elites.
Prophets are in hiding because theres only 1000 of them
Hunters. who knows there worms
drones. There probaly still some in are sewers who wants to bet. That would exsplain the buzzing I hear from my toilet.
ANd jackals. no ones paying them any more so why would they

Theres no covenant any more in halo so why say they won’t be in halo 4. Because there gone
No covenant does not mean no elites or brutes or drones. it just mean no purple.

Any one see what im saying
Post what you think and crank out your idea on this.

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The whole point of saying no covenant is to adress them as a whole because beilive it or not some people actually don’t know the races separatly. If they were to say no UNSC i would naturally think no spartans,ODSTs,etc becuase they are the UNSC forces.

Not to mention the covenant has no involvment in where the story is going and no longer exists anymore.

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exsactly no covenant
that doesn’t mean the elites don’t come in and help us.
that does not mean we won’t be attacked by pirate jackals
there is no covenant left. just those who followed it

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> exsactly no covenant
> that doesn’t mean the elites don’t come in and help us.

That is exactly what it means, if you even read any of the rencet books you would know that the Elites are running out of working ships since they can’t fix them. not to mention that john is said to be missing past 2610 in which the UNSC never found him despite this game happening around 5 years after halo 3.

This is a new trilogy, get over it

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> > exsactly no covenant
> > that doesn’t mean the elites don’t come in and help us.
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> That is exactly what it means, if you even read any of the rencet books you would know that the Elites are running out of working ships since they can’t fix them. not to mention that john is said to be missing past 2610 in which the UNSC never found him despite this game happening around 5 years after halo 3.
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> This is a new trilogy, get over it

Yep, there it is. The story of a game depending on novels once again.

Face, a Halo game without the Covenant is a completely different franchise, and shouldn’t bare the name Halo 4.

It may be a Halo story (somehow), but it’s not a Halo game. And Gameplay come first, before story in a game. Story comes first for novels only.

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I think that there WILL be at least remnants. No way there can be absolutely NO covenant. C’mon, it’s Halo. At least have some Elites or Grunts in here. I don’t just want to fight humans, forerunners or whatever else we’re fighting. Let’s mix it up a little.

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> > > exsactly no covenant
> > > that doesn’t mean the elites don’t come in and help us.
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> > That is exactly what it means, if you even read any of the rencet books you would know that the Elites are running out of working ships since they can’t fix them. not to mention that john is said to be missing past 2610 in which the UNSC never found him despite this game happening around 5 years after halo 3.
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> > This is a new trilogy, get over it
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> Yep, there it is. The story of a game depending on novels once again.
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> Face, a Halo game without the Covenant is a completely different franchise, and shouldn’t bare the name Halo 4.
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> It may be a Halo story (somehow), but it’s not a Halo game. And Gameplay come first, before story in a game. Story comes first for novels only.

So true

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I wana see a new name for these guys

they seperated from each other making them no long a group

what if all the races started a war with each other
and what book are you talking about

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> > > exsactly no covenant
> > > that doesn’t mean the elites don’t come in and help us.
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> > That is exactly what it means, if you even read any of the rencet books you would know that the Elites are running out of working ships since they can’t fix them. not to mention that john is said to be missing past 2610 in which the UNSC never found him despite this game happening around 5 years after halo 3.
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> > This is a new trilogy, get over it
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> Yep, there it is. The story of a game depending on novels once again.
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> Face, a Halo game without the Covenant is a completely different franchise, and shouldn’t bare the name Halo 4.
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> It may be a Halo story (somehow), but it’s not a Halo game. And Gameplay come first, before story in a game. Story comes first for novels only.

Last time i check It is called halo not covenant.

If you have an issue with this you are free to keep playing the last trilogy and not read the books, fine by us

> I think that there WILL be at least remnants. No way there can be absolutely NO covenant. C’mon, it’s Halo. At least have some Elites or Grunts in here. I don’t just want to fight humans, forerunners or whatever else we’re fighting. Let’s mix it up a little.

What part of no purple are you not understanding? and this is mixing it up i don’t want to fight the covenant for another 10s with a medicore plot since the covenant does not exist anymore.

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> > > > exsactly no covenant
> > > > that doesn’t mean the elites don’t come in and help us.
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> > > That is exactly what it means, if you even read any of the rencet books you would know that the Elites are running out of working ships since they can’t fix them. not to mention that john is said to be missing past 2610 in which the UNSC never found him despite this game happening around 5 years after halo 3.
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> > > This is a new trilogy, get over it
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> > Yep, there it is. The story of a game depending on novels once again.
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> > Face, a Halo game without the Covenant is a completely different franchise, and shouldn’t bare the name Halo 4.
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> > It may be a Halo story (somehow), but it’s not a Halo game. And Gameplay come first, before story in a game. Story comes first for novels only.
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> Last time i check It is called halo not covenant.
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> If you have an issue with this you are free to keep playing the last trilogy and not read the books, fine by us
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> > I think that there WILL be at least remnants. No way there can be absolutely NO covenant. C’mon, it’s Halo. At least have some Elites or Grunts in here. I don’t just want to fight humans, forerunners or whatever else we’re fighting. Let’s mix it up a little.
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> What part of no purple are you not understanding? and this is mixing it up i don’t want to fight the covenant for another 10s with a medicore plot since the covenant does not exist anymore.

I can’t argue with the fact that you don’t want to fight them anymore, but that makes no difference, and my point stands.

And as a side note, Halo is all about fighting the Covenant, so your first point is invalid. When Halo gameplay comes to mind, the Covenant are first.

And speaking on the behalf of the quality of the game, if we don’t have the Covenant, then we’ll obviously have new enemies to take their place. This situation could go in two directions.

1.) The new enemy tries to completely replace the Covenant by using a variety of enemies. (Like Grunts, Jackals, Elites, etc.) But as a result, the new enemy becomes nothing more than a carbon copy of them.

2.) The new enemy doesn’t try to take the Covenant’s roles, and ends up being new, fresh enemies with their own elements. But this in turn deviates too much from the Halo experience, and negates itself as a Halo experience.

Please note that this is all coming from someone who plays Halo for its awesome, UNIQUE gameplay. You story gurus may get what you want, but the ones like myself will be left to bite the dust. The Covenant are what make Halo Gameplay complete, like it or not. Sure, some others may not be story gurus, but they still want a new enemy. That’s fine. But as for the people who think like myself, we need them in, otherwise, we feel like we won’t be playing the franchise we’ve loved since the early 2000’s.
It’s true that you can’t please EVERYBODY, but you can easily please those like me, while still appealing to the other group I mentioned. By having a collection of enemies to fight WITH the Covenant. That’s what Halo has always been anyway, hasn’t it? (Reach doesn’t count).
So the decision to leave the Covenant out risks alienating a group of fans, and is a poor decision. In other words, they’ll be pulling a “Reach”.

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your point does not stand becuase th covenant no longer exists after halo 3.

  1. Elites “allied” with humans, there is a split in some elites that still belive and some who don’t (natural) but they are not a threat, Elites are exterminating brutes and running out of ships.

2.Drones wouldn’t care and just go back to palamok

  1. Hunters were in the covenant for the elites mainly, elites are out therefore the hunters just go back to Te

  2. Grunts have been wanting this for Eons and just go back home

  3. Brutes don’t really care, they are too busy fighting themselves and elites to notice anything. they are probably running low on ships also. not to mention they are stuck on dosaic again

  4. jackals never cared

  5. san’shyuum are extremly low and number and have not been seen since.

There is no reason to fight “the covenant” anymore no to mention the trilogy is not going to be about them. It’s time to work on the forerunners and humanitys purpose for the next 10 years.

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> your point does not stand becuase th covenant no longer exists after halo 3.
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> 1. Elites “allied” with humans, there is a split in some elites that still belive and some who don’t (natural) but they are not a threat, Elites are exterminating brutes and running out of ships.
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> 2.Drones wouldn’t care and just go back to palamok
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> 3. Hunters were in the covenant for the elites mainly, elites are out therefore the hunters just go back to Te
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> 4. Grunts have been wanting this for Eons and just go back home
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> 5. Brutes don’t really care, they are too busy fighting themselves and elites to notice anything. they are probably running low on ships also. not to mention they are stuck on dosaic again
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> 6. jackals never cared
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> 7. san’shyuum are extremly low and number and have not been seen since.
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> There is no reason to fight “the covenant” anymore no to mention the trilogy is not going to be about them. It’s time to work on the forerunners and humanitys purpose for the next 10 years.

How many times have I said the word: “Irrelevant” on this forum?

Block the story out of your mind completely, then reread my post. I am not talking about the story, I’m talking about the GAMEPLAY. GAMEPLAY. GAME. PL. AY. G.A.M.E.P.L.A-------.Y.

It’s not all about you. Like I said a million times in that post, there are fans like me that play Halo for the fun of shooting Grunts in the head, and popping shields. And another thing I said, 343 can easily please us both by including the Covenant ALONG with the ideas you just described. That way, fans like me won’t be alienated, and everybody’s happy. How closed-minded can you be?

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The story is never “irrelevant” unless you are talking about halo reach in which it completly brushed off the story. Do you love the gameplay in that game? becuase when gameplay> story halo is no differant that CoD, mario,pokemon,etc.

“gameplay gameplay gameplay” i am positive that if i made a poll Asking "would you rather fighting the covenant for another 10-20 years or fight something new? I am sure people will pick something new.

After ten years zealot elites no longer scare anybody on legendary, Everybody knows how to disable a hunter in H2H combat,legendary is no longer a pain, and brutes (8 years) don’t phase anybody when they rage.

The covenant is stale we need something new. If you haven’t been playing for the last ten years and want more i suggested you play the trilogy on legendary and spend every moment checking every nook and cranny of each game as if you never played it before.

Because for the large majority that has been playing the game for the last 10 fore “gameplays sake” we need something new.

Unless halo is going to be like CoD and shell out a game every year since people only play for gameplay and MM yet no changes are made.
Or it will be like pokemon and add only a new race or a new attack or a new location but still be the exact same gameplay.
Or it can be like mario and have no story and be for fun!

You do understand that you don’t have to play this new trilogy right? this is no differant than a band maturing and making an album differant than the old ones in which; the true fans will probably have matured also and like the change while the “true fans” whine about the change and say “they need to go back to how they were”.

We are not 7 anymore, we are growing up in which it is more meaningful to have a storywith substance that shooting babies with rainbows

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> The story is never “irrelevant” unless you are talking about halo reach in which it completly brushed off the story. Do you love the gameplay in that game? becuase when gameplay> story halo is no differant that CoD, mario,pokemon,etc.
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> “gameplay gameplay gameplay” i am positive that if i made a poll Asking "would you rather fighting the covenant for another 10-20 years or fight something new? I am sure people will pick something new.
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> After ten years zealot elites no longer scare anybody on legendary, Everybody knows how to disable a hunter in H2H combat,legendary is no longer a pain, and brutes (8 years) don’t phase anybody when they rage.
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> The covenant is stale we need something new. If you haven’t been playing for the last ten years and want more i suggested you play the trilogy on legendary and spend every moment checking every nook and cranny of each game as if you never played it before.
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> Because for the large majority that has been playing the game for the last 10 fore “gameplays sake” we need something new.
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> Unless halo is going to be like CoD and shell out a game every year since people only play for gameplay and MM yet no changes are made.
> Or it will be like pokemon and add only a new race or a new attack or a new location but still be the exact same gameplay.
> Or it can be like mario and have no story and be for fun!
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> You do understand that you don’t have to play this new trilogy right? this is no differant than a band maturing and making an album differant than the old ones in which; the true fans will probably have matured also and like the change while the “true fans” whine about the change and say “they need to go back to how they were”.
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> We are not 7 anymore, we are growing up in which it is mroe meaningful to have a storywith substance that shooting babies with rainbows

You seem to be forgetting the fact that Halo is known as a-- A WHAT?! Game. Keyword: Game. Not a novel. We already have a ton of those. Using your logic, I could tell you to go read the novels if you care so much about the story, just as you’re telling me to go play the older games.

Once again, how can you be so closed-minded? What you’re suggesting (and I state this AGAIN) will alienate fans like me. If 343 is good enough, they can make it to where fans like you can fight the Covenant as little as possible since they’re apparently such an abomination. If you ask me, that’s selfish thinking.

Going back to the story fiasco, Halo is not a Silent Hill. Silent Hill is where the story truly matters, not the gameplay. That’s an exception. But for Halo, it’s known for its Gameplay, not its story.

And I said nothing about true fans. We’re all fans, nothing more, nothing less.

Again, I say that the game doesn’t have to be only about the Covenant. In fact, that would be a mistake, and would be redundant. All I’m saying is that for fans like me, INCLUDING them would be a wise choice. Hell, they don’t even have to be the main focus at all. That way, you get to keep those fans, and the ones like you! :smiley: For the record, I’m excited to meet this ancient enemy and what it’s like fighting them.

If you disagree any further, then it shows how closed-minded you really are about this franchise and its fans.

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You can say i am “close minded” all you wan’t yet you are the one saying everything is irrlevent save for your point.

Your “logic” is the problem, you think new enemys will hinder gamplay “something i have never heard before” because people are use to fighting the covenant.

But the same people probably paid attention when they played the games and know that the covenant “is finished”, thus an end of an era.

343 has said this will be a new trilogy so if you haven’t played the other ones you won’t be left out, thus if somebody didn’t play the first trilogy and saw and elite they wouldn’t understand.

You are undermiming the Average gamer, i guarantee you if any form of covenant would be in this game people would not see it to be any differant halo. I could careless if they are or are not in multiplayer but i hope not because it is getting old, 10 years old.

We need new stuff or halo is not going to be differant than CoD, which has the same MM every year. I sold my black ops because i found the gameplay to be boring since every other call of duty was the exact same

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> You can say i am “close minded” all you wan’t yet you are the one saying everything is irrlevent save for your point.
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> Your “logic” is the problem, you think new enemys will hinder gamplay “something i have never heard before” because people are use to fighting the covenant.
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> But the same people probably paid attention when they played the games and know that the covenant “is finished”, thus an end of an era.
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> 343 has said this will be a new trilogy so if you haven’t played the other ones you won’t be left out, thus if somebody didn’t play the first trilogy and saw and elite they wouldn’t understand.
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> You are undermiming the Average gamer, i guarantee you if any form of covenant would be in this game people would not see it to be any differant halo. I could careless if they are or are not in multiplayer but i hope not because it is getting old, 10 years old.
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> We need new stuff or halo is not going to be differant than CoD, which has the same MM every year. I sold my black ops because i found the gameplay to be boring since every other call of duty was the exact same

And again, you’re taking what I’m saying out of context. You’re still thinking I’m referring to the story when I mention the Covenant. I won’t bother explaining it to you AGAIN.

Why can’t you just understand? Halo’s Gameplay is dependent on the Covenant and their variety. We can have them, while still having new, fresh threats. As long as we have our old alien friends, it can bare the Halo name as a Halo -wait for it…- GAME. To people like myself, anyway.

And stop comparing it to CoD, because that has nothing to do with anything I’m saying.

As for the statement regarding the the relevance of my points to what you interpret it as, refer to the first paragraph in this post.
You’re being ignorant of the fact that there are still groups that see Halo and think “Man, I sure do love to headshot them Grunts”.
What you’re not understanding is that I’m speaking on behalf of what’s best for the series. And what’s best is finding a way to please everyone, not just you.

Although, admittedly, you did help me realize something important. Halo’s Gameplay may not be about the Covenant to everybody (it may be about the Flood to someone, for example), but they’re needed to make it Halo to people like me. And alienating us isn’t a good idea since we take up a pretty good chunk of the fanbase.

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To be nice i did a poll in the reach forum instead of the flood and here is what i got.

2 yes
6 no

> Posted by: Teh Epic Lawlz
> The prophets and brutes have been defeated.The elites went back to their planet.The flood was destroyed, at least on that Halo.So, probably new enemies, but damn I’m hoping for flood too. :slight_smile:

> Posted by: Ultra Force
> Why? The Covenant already lost during Halo 3. >.<And I’m sure the Flood were destroyed too.

> Posted by: Cyberwo1ff
> yes but it would be more fun to atack evil forrunners :slight_smile:

So clearly there are people that paid attention during halo 3 and understand the covenant is gone and want something new. If you want me to ask the flood i will but i am trying to avoid that.

CoD has everything do to do here, it is a game based on pure gameplay yet nothing ever changes.

So far the flood says no also here is what they say

yes-0
No- 5

> Posted by: Epicsm1ley
> I want to fight the Forerunners and the Flood.
> -blam!- the Covenant.

> Posted by: Dawkinsfan33
> I think wort wort wort.
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> > Posted by: ericslick
> > It’ll be interesting if there is no Covenant in the new series.

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> To be nice i did a poll in the reach forum instead of the flood and here is what i got.
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> 2 yes
> 6 no
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> > Posted by: Teh Epic Lawlz
> > The prophets and brutes have been defeated.The elites went back to their planet.The flood was destroyed, at least on that Halo.So, probably new enemies, but damn I’m hoping for flood too. :slight_smile:
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> > Posted by: Ultra Force
> > Why? The Covenant already lost during Halo 3. >.<And I’m sure the Flood were destroyed too.
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> > Posted by: Cyberwo1ff
> > yes but it would be more fun to atack evil forrunners :slight_smile:
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> So clearly there are people that paid attention during halo 3 and understand the covenant is gone and want something new. If you want me to ask the flood i will but i am trying to avoid that.
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> CoD has everything do to do here, it is a game based on pure gameplay yet nothing ever changes.

And making a poll on the Reach forum proves what?

My previous statements stand.

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It shows that people want change despite how small of a sample it is, if everybody said yes it would prove you right and you wouldn’t have an issue with it; you are showing nothing other than what you want in a game

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> > exsactly no covenant
> > that doesn’t mean the elites don’t come in and help us.
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> That is exactly what it means, if you even read any of the rencet books you would know that the Elites are running out of working ships since they can’t fix them. not to mention that john is said to be missing past 2610 in which the UNSC never found him despite this game happening around 5 years after halo 3.
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> This is a new trilogy, get over it

A change in the canon?