What is the point? As is with any request - to request it. Because there is want for it. My request isn’t incredibly altruistic, it’s just that I and others would like to be catered to equally with people who enjoy this stuff.
I don’t believe we should fully remove players ability to be seen. The intention of the toggle is to maintain the aesthetic and tone of the Halo universe, not to create a fully individualized experience.
So ultimately I guess our goals for a toggle are separate.
You’re right, I’m operating on theory. But it’s theory with more backing than those arguing for the canonical nature of Cat Ears. But all I can do is operate on theory until 343 prove me right or wrong.
Holographics and various effects are the most easy to assume are non-canon. Not black and white but I see nobody arguing that kill effects are canon. All manufactured by Fotus. I’m just operating on the evidence at hand.
I have a disdain for having it forced upon me, a disdain that will only grow as time exacerbates the issue. Seasonal cosmetics, like the spring cosmetics (floral chungus) ect. I don’t have any disdain for the people who want to wear or identify with this stuff.
But I won’t pretend for them or anyone that it belongs in Halos world. In it’s multiplayer? Fair enough. But I should be able to opt in whilst enjoying it myself.
I agree that treating someone as inferior because of an interpretation is silly. But interpretations themselves? Must be. That’s how a product retains it quality. People can have terrible ideas, it’s no crime to say that. It’s all subjective after all. But 343 has the power to make it more clear, I want them to.
And I don’t think that’d take anything away from most people’s enjoyment of cosmetics.
They already have, truth be told. I already have that validation from the manufacturer selection. That’s enough for me in terms of what’s what.
The toggle is to stem the tide of turning infinite into a eyesore as time goes on.
I don’t believe they are actually here to discuss, but to derail and make a joke out of this by giving a ridiculous goal post with this idea of compensation.
A concept with zero precedence but with both MCC & For Honor just off the top of my head to contradict it.
They aren’t. General fox sure isn’t. His first message in this thread made that clear.
Ah yes the point of a request is to achieve change, fully agree there! but whats the motivation of the change. If your motivation is " it’s just that I and others would like to be catered to equally with people who enjoy this stuff." then we are 100% on the same page, and I would argue the ultimate form of that would be to create an individual toggle option so that EVERY desire is treated the exact same with equal accesiblity
Ah but now we are back at confusion is the desire to “maintain the aesthetic and tone of the Halo universe” or is it to “that I and others would like to be catered to equally with people who enjoy this stuff.” because these are different. If the former then I disagree that we can do something so impossible as maintain the astetic of a massive and evolving series such as halo that has always served a wide range of interest with millions of fans with their own subjective experiences. If the ladder than the most equally playing experience is the individual toggle
As far as removing ability to be seen, both of our suggestions do that to equal degree, but as I have mentinoed in my reply to @General_Fox that this is not particulaly a heavy concern for me for the reasons I listed above
You’re right, I’m operating on theory. But it’s theory with more backing than those arguing for the canonical nature of Cat Ears. But all I can do is operate on theory until 343 prove me right or wrong.
Okay I think that’s fair, you make a good point here. I still caution against putting overconfidence in theories that "make sesne"from an outside persective…especially with 343 creative decision making record
Holographics and various effects are the most easy to assume are non-canon. Not black and white but I see nobody arguing that kill effects are canon. All manufactured by Fotus. I’m just operating on the evidence at hand.
Fair.
I have a disdain for having it forced upon me, a disdain that will only grow as time exacerbates the issue. Seasonal cosmetics, like the spring cosmetics (floral chungus) ect. I don’t have any disdain for the people who want to wear or identify with this stuff.
That’s good to hear and I can understand the frustration. A lot of us are frustrated with the state of the series and I think that bleeds over into a lot of topics. In fact Ill be honest, I’m pretty pissed about the whole ordeal.
But I won’t pretend for them or anyone that it belongs in Halos world. In it’s multiplayer? Fair enough. But I should be able to opt in whilst enjoying it myself.
I fully support the toggle, I fully support you right to strongly argue your version of the haloverse that you are confident in as being superior. I however cant support the axiomatic claim that certain sets absolutely do not belong in halo. this is for the same reason as I mentioned in the hyabusa debate with my friend: no one has that authority with a fictional unverse except the artists at hand (unfortunately 343 lol)
I agree that treating someone as inferior because of an interpretation is silly. But interpretations themselves? Must be. That’s how a product retains it quality. People can have terrible ideas, it’s no crime to say that. It’s all subjective after all. But 343 has the power to make it more clear, I want them to.
Okay I will sit with the semantics on this one for a bit. I thinkt this still kinda borders treating peoples experiences as inferior but I do agree that people can make weaker/stronger arguments so perhaps some scale should be applied to opinions. I certainly hold a similiar view on opinions of more imperative nature IRL
And I don’t think that’d take anything away from most people’s enjoyment of cosmetics.
I agree for the most part. A few players have expresed it will ruin their experience and we SHOULD listen to them, but I also think its fair to say that this extreme minority does not make the greater case
They already have, truth be told. I already have that validation from the manufacturer selection. That’s enough for me in terms of what’s what. The toggle is to stem the tide of turning infinite into a eyesore as time goes on.
Okay then an individual toggle should be best because it allows players to decide what an eyesore is and all with equal say. people who like cat ears can get rid of mohawks and Vice-Versa. Hell if people think that traditional cosmetics are an eyesore they can disable those for all I care, although they would be stuck with a base set people are reverted to.
I don’t believe they are actually here to discuss, but to derail and make a joke out of this by giving a ridiculous goal post with this idea of compensation.
My friend, always be careful with such assumptions. Even if we assume such we can tailor our responses and see if they either quite down (probably a troll then) or change their tune (people tend to do this in response patience). Either way my advice is either dont feed trolls, or trust in your fellow gamer.
A concept with zero precedence but with both MCC & For Honor just off the top of my head to contradict it.
I agree
They aren’t. General fox sure isn’t. His first message in this thread made that clear.
Yea I labled that as bait as well. Still, refer to previous points above.
Oh yeah. I agree. My reply was specifically to Mr. Fox and the compensation idea, because we all know 343i would never compensate anyone but instead would charge more. I personally feel like if you wasted money in the store you shouldn’t get anything for it other than the sense of making gaming a more predatory landscape.
A) c above and B) well i guess if the free cosmetics you don’t like can be toggled off for free too.
Derail what foo? You’ve made a million posts about this, after months all of these topics have just been going in circles. There is nothing new to say about this on either end, but your obsession wont leave it alone.
TO be fair. He made a very good point. There are 9million of these posts. And a you make a new one when there where already 3 topics discussing this same thing on the top page. 3 topics you were already posting in BTW. Why these forums do not have a rule against repeated topics is beyond me.
That was the entire point about my original responce. Was that he was spamming the boards with topics that all covered the same thing.
I’ll be shocked if they don’t have a rule against flooding or spamming the boards. Since that’s a rule that is generally in-forced by practically every forums or discussion I’ve ever been on in the last 25 to 30 years as a gamer.
Everything you posted could have easily been added to any of the five other topics concerning cosmetics, most of which already had conversations in the about toggles to disable specific things.
But no, you decided these forums needed ANOTHER topic about it instead.
I wouldn’t mind a toggle, I certainly don’t care for the various armor/action/kill effects and joke cosmetics like the cat ears. They don’t exactly ruin the experience either but I feel that visually the game would be better off without them.
Hayabusa? It was at least stylized to match the art style. Was the katana pushing it? Sure, but could it reasonably exist within universe? Also yes. There’s real world instances of individuals taking bizarre weapons into combat like the guy who fought in WWII using a longsword.
A stronger point would’ve been to use the armor effects, but even those were fairly tame. Some of the farther reaching ones were just a poof and then they were gone (grunt birthday party). There has always been a slight tilt towards unusual, but it was very few and far between that kept a fine balance between themselves and the established art style.
The same cannot be said about cat/ bunny ears in anyway shape or form.
