Weeklies done = no incentive to play

Games Halo Infinite
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One day you’ll get it champ.
Some of us are not casual gamers. ALL of us are reward driven, inherently… as humans.
I’m not going to continue explaining to you why humans enjoy being rewarded when that is the sole reason that you do anything in life. Whether you even realise that or not.
If your reward is “moment to moment gameplay” then thats cute bro. We’ll see how you feel after a hundred hours.
I could go enjoy any other game AND get rewarded ontop of that. Because This games system is terrible. Whether you are willing to admit it or not YOU are in the vast minority of people who are contempt with just playing for nothing in return.
There is a reason you can see such vocalised responses about the system across the entire internet right now.

Or are you actually going to try tell me “This is an example of the argumentum ad populum fallacy, and is invalid reasoning by definition.” again when you can go to literally any place in the internet and find out im right.
With the VAST majority of people agreeing with me. Not you.

At the end of the day, you’re arguing for a barebones terrible system purely because you’re such a casual gamer that you’re still in your “gaming for funzi xx” phase.
I game for fun, but i also game for rewards. After many many years of gaming, you’ll realise those rewards are the memories of that fun. They are something you can look back on after 5-10 years and Remember the fun moments and how you got them etc.
If your contempt playing on a barebones system that actively wastes your time then thats on you. Again. The VAST majority disagree with you on that. Thats not a fallacy. Thats statistically provable in the thousands of polls circulating the internet right now.

If there was no problem, then why are 343 updating the exp and customisation. Ask yourself that before you reply to me again.

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Casual gamers are the ones driven my extrinsic rewards, i.e. unlockable customization options and arbitrary “levels.” Hardcore gamers are driven by intrinsic rewards: engagement and success.

Non-functional cosmetics are not a reward. They don’t change the game at all, and you rarely ever get to even see them outside of the menu. Do you play the game to play the game, or to look at it? Not only that, but they don’t serve as rewards for anything other than playing the game. They aren’t tied to success. That’s not a meaningful reward.

I Have thousands of hours in a number of different games that continue to motivate me solely through intrinsic motivation. No amount of time I spend in any game will make me any less motivated to play the game as long as the game is deep and dynamic, which Halo very much is.

All of my meaningful memories in every game I’ve ever played come solely from moments of gameplay. From good plays, new discoveries, funny things happening, etc. I will never care about non-functional elements. Stop trying to tell me how I’ll feel, you know nothing about me.

you can go to literally any place in the internet and find out im right.
With the VAST majority of people agreeing with me. Not you.

That’s literally the definintion of argumentum ad populum. It’s the idea that a premise is correct because more people believe it to be. That’s wrong; there’s no correlation between the popularity of an idea and its truthfulness. Thanks for doubling-down on being wrong.

At the end of the day, you’re arguing for a barebones terrible system purely because you’re such a casual gamer that you’re still in your “gaming for funzi xx” phase.

A “phase” that has lasted 30 years and isn’t going to end any time soon, or likely ever.

On the contrary, you are the casual because you value non-game elements higher than the game itself. What you’re saying is the same as saying that a hardcore music fan is hardcore because they got over the “phase” of caring about music and now care about the album artwork. It’s an absolutely nonsensical non-point.

Gameplay is the defining aspect of video games, and it’s where the overwhelming majority of their value as art and entertainment media reside.

If your contempt playing on a barebones system that actively wastes your time then thats on you.

Only a casual gamer thinks gameplay is ever a waste of time.

Thats statistically provable in the thousands of polls circulating the internet right now.

…and it’s still an idea rendered invalid by way of fallacious argumentum ad populum reasoning. Something does not become more true because more people believe it. Majorities are very often wrong.

If there was no problem, then why are 343 updating the exp and customisation. Ask yourself that before you reply to me again.

Because of people like you who value looking at a screen more than playing the game constantly whining about it.

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Uh, isn’t WINNING the reward? Dear lord, why is this entire generation about participation trophies?

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This is what progression is now.

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So many simple solutions to this. The best 1, IMO, is just give us an overall level system to progress on. The overall level system should be based on game score.

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LOL, and you’re accusing others of being the casual gamers? I take it you never played video games before the Xbox 360 and the introduction of achievements? Halo 2 had no achievements, no challenges, nothing like that. Just “moment to moment gameplay.” Some of us played literally thousands of matches on it before Xbox Live was shutdown for the Original Xbox. The actual casual gamer is the one who needs the incentive of achievements and challenges to keep playing a game. The casual gamer buys a game, gets all the achievements and then says “Okay, I 100% the game, I’ve no reason to play it again. On to the next game!” The casual gamer is not the one who says “Okay, I 100% the game but I love the gameplay so much that I’m gonna keep playing it.”

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So there’s two types of players:
Those who like gameplay and those who like both gameplay and non-gameplay.

Anyone arguing that the people who like things like progression systems don’t like to actually play the game are just being facetious.

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I completed all the weeklies almost by accident this week.

Just play to play :man_shrugging:

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Modern gamers are straight up trolls. There’s nothing wrong with playing the game, for the sake of playing a game. This isn’t a job. You don’t need constant “rewards” to make yourself feel good.

“Entitled” doesn’t quite capture it, but damn dude, get over yourself.

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No, see, World of Warcraft has a Transmogrification system lol

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Exactly this. People like to see a return on their investments, even if it’s just time sunk into a game for leisure. I don’t understand everyone saying “uh isn’t playing it for fun the point?” because yeah, sure, it is, but at the same time, if the fun you get out of it isn’t equitable to the time and effort you put into it, it’s gonna feel less fun pretty quickly and you’re going to want to play less. It’s about the ratio of give and take, it’s not the same exact transaction every time.

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To be clear, I don’t think anyone is saying that if you like completing challenges or earning achievements there’s something wrong with you. (That’s certainly not what I am saying) I enjoy completing these things too. Heck, when the 360 came out and introduced achievements I was really into trying to complete as many achievements as possible in the games I’d play throughout that console generation. (But I never bought a game specifically to earn more achievements as was popular among some achievement hunting communities) But to say once you have completed these things you no longer have any incentive to play?

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There have been a few who have been saying just that. They call it a mental illness or armchair diagnose people with OCD because they like progression systems…

Personally for me, it’s because of the lack of playlists. There aren’t my favorite game modes to choose from or I don’t have the option to just play slayer or just play objectives, and that RNG based experience just ain’t worth rolling the dice. So once I don’t have that extra little push, I don’t really care anymore.

This is all to say I am looking forward to Swat and FFA coming soon™!

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Some gamers really like playing multiplayer just for the experience, however. I have played 500+ matches so far. After I complete all the weekly challenges I work on improving my rank, which is currently at Gold. When I was playing Destiny I played 50,000+ matches over several years. I expect the same to happen in Halo Infinite.

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You my friend have some serious problem. Because no gamer shares your view.

Basically you are not even a gamer lol…

You just fire a game do work to get virtual reward. You dont play the game. You work…

I dont really need to hear more explanations from worker

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This is my weekly routine:

Complete weeklies within 2 days.

During those 2 days

  • do nothing to the objective
  • ignore my team
  • make sure my comms are off
  • do ridiculous strats

Once I’ve completed them I try to have fun

I can’t have fun because everyone else is

  • doing nothing to the objective
  • ignoring the team
  • switched comms off
  • doing ridiculous strats
    and watching my 3 bots go 0-10

I then get frustrated, leave and wish they spent 500m on new content for H5 & MCC instead

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I did this weeks weeklies in ONE DAy and yep got nothing to play for I could sit around in matches and be useless to gain a bit of EXP ,but why there’s literally nothing else in the current batltepass i want I have almost everything i’d ever want for customization and I honestly will not touch either of the other armors this is halo 6 I’m suppose to be using the newest and best equipment and they want me to run around in MK V?? I’ve been waiting for years to use the MKVII platform that was described in the novels… and YOU WANT ME TO USE MK V?! And don’t get me started on that one spartan commander from the intro… Shes’ the reason i turn the voice volume to 0 during BTB

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I don’t blame you, I’m British and her voice does my head in. She sounds like a voice-over for a sanitary towel advert.

You sound like a lore guy - why is she 4ft tall when she’s on the street but then an 8ft machine when she gets her gear on. Do they stretch these people at some point?

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Well at least for the II’s they were children when they were abducted, I dunno about her though lore on her is scarce which is another reason I don’t like her, why is this dumb child we see in the intro brought into the spartan program?? what makes her better? Unless she’s a spartan III (which are Still better than the IV’s in my opinion) she doesnt’ bring anything special to the table Ii’s were selected because they were very intellgent or other traits that made them better IV’s were chosen because they were the best in the UNSC has the UNSC severly lowered their standards for IV’s? And III’s were orphans who survived the horrors of covanant invasions and such and were told they could get their revenge, sadly the III Program was just a sucide mission mostly, they were trading lives for time, time to stop the covenant… which is why Many Spartan III’s Died they were cheaper more numerous spartans able to do missions that HAlsey didn’t want her spartan Ii’s to get into. SInce Halsey actually kinda cared about her spartans.

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I feel like all week last week I was reading that the system was too much. But yeah I have way less then 10 hrs in this week. I prefer to get paid for the things I spend 90 hrs on in a few weeks. And yea I’m being a -Yoink!- but it’s people like you who have games pushed beyond what an average consumer can possibly achieve in the time available. Go out and get some sun or something

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