Weapon Tuning thoughts?

http://blogs.halowaypoint.com/Headlines/post/2013/05/08/The-Halo-Bulletin-5813.aspx

First, I want to say that I really love Halo 4. I have thoroughly enjoyed all Halo games, though they all have slightly different strengths/weaknesses.

I acknowledge that there are many flaws in Halo 4 gameplay that the Halo community deserves to be vocal about, but I see threads daily about how 343 doesn’t cater to the competitive community or ever listen to ‘us,’ and this article provides evidence to the contrary (yes, I realize it is directly from 343 and is only one such step, but I think they recognize our frustration and are trying to make things right).

I think the changes addressed in this article are a necessary step in the right direction and I hope that this is a great tuning that both 343 and the community can build on.

Pumped for a 4sk BR again!

personally I’m stoked about 4sk BR, and the new light rifle.

Unfortunately, such complaints are something we have to get used to around here. :confused: I agree with you, it seems that even with the weapon tuning, people will still probably complain that Halo 4 isn’t competitive enough for them. I personally don’t have a problem with it, but the competitive community isn’t exactly the majority of players, so even if they complain (on these forums, at least. Not saying anything about the pro players 343 has been working with.), I doubt it would change anything. These weapon changes will add more competitiveness to the game, and yet the small amount of competitive players here will most likely still complain. Not all, but some.

Guess you really can’t make everyone happy nowadays lol.

In response to the weapon tuning, I’m excited for them! I really like the LR and BR, but I almost never use them due to the DMR being much more powerful at all ranges. But with these updates, I’ll definitely be using them more often. :slight_smile:

> Unfortunately, such complaints are something we have to get used to around here. :confused: I agree with you, it seems that even with the weapon tuning, people will still probably complain that Halo 4 isn’t competitive enough for them. I personally don’t have a problem with it, but the competitive community isn’t exactly the majority of players, so even if they complain (on these forums, at least. Not saying anything about the pro players 343 has been working with.), I doubt it would change anything. These weapon changes will add more competitiveness to the game, and yet the small amount of competitive players here will most likely still complain. Not all, but some.
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> Guess you really can’t make everyone happy nowadays lol.

Haha yeah. And to clarify, I didn’t mean to imply that we should ignore the complaints & issues raised by the competitive community.
Just that there are daily “343 ignores us” rants posted by a few members of this forum whereas these weapons tunings & legendary slayer additions seem to be updates that are direct responses TO our complaints. And the fact that they are enlisting the help of well-known community gamers to try out these patches seems that they genuinely care about game functioning & retaining the whole community rather than just generating a generic ‘we fixed it’ talking point.

The weapon tuning is a huge step in making this game better and in fulfilling its potential. Matches are going to become faster, its going to force better positioning and smarter plays from players, the faster kill times will punish mindless sprinters and will allow the sprinting mechanics of being slowed down when shot truly work. But biggest thing is that the weapons will be much better balanced and the loadout weapons as a whole will be viable and play styles will truly be able to emerge which was the point of the loadout system.

I am willing to bet I am going to be nothing but frustrated by the faster kill times of the BR. I like to run around the map trying to get splatters, I feel this is really going to adversely affect vehicle gameplay. They should have toned down the DMR not pimped the other weapons.

My only issue is if the LR becomes more accessible to people, I’ve spent ages trying to get good with it and I have now, if it becomes something anyone can use with ease that will be a let down.

Otherwise 343 is continuing to take Halo 4 in the correct direction and I’m thoroughly excited, if it brings players back all the better

I was excited for the 4sk BR…but now I think I’m just as excited about the LR.

> My only issue is if the LR becomes more accessible to people, I’ve spent ages trying to get good with it and I have now, if it becomes something anyone can use with ease that will be a let down.
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> Otherwise 343 is continuing to take Halo 4 in the correct direction and I’m thoroughly excited, if it brings players back all the better

Well, it won’t be necessarily easier to use, but it will just have a longer range and can shoot a little bit faster. It will still require the same precise aiming as it does now.

I’m very happy that 343i is trying. Unlike Bungie who did crap to try and fix Reach.

Im really happy about it, but if the DMR and the other weapons keep their current Aim Assist and BM I might get a little disappointed. Just saying it now already.

It is very frustrating that they seem to be unwilling to just drop the DMR’s RRR to the LRs level. There is just no reason for a 3x weapon to have any longer range than the LR/Reach DMR 91~ meters.

However, good new being the CC getting a spread reduction and I hope that they do that with the BR too.

I am happy overall with the changes on the horizon but the whole RRR deal makes me crazy. It would also be nice if they slowed the bloom rate on the auto weapons as it only rewards burst fire increases the auto weapons skill gap.

> It would also be nice if they slowed the bloom rate on the auto weapons as it only rewards burst fire increases the auto weapons skill gap.

Hold up. You want them to slow the bloom on the automatics to emphasize spraying and narrow the skill gap? Or, do you mean you’d rather them make the bloom more dynamic to emphasize burst firing in order to widen the skill gap?

> > It would also be nice if they slowed the bloom rate on the auto weapons as it only rewards burst fire increases the auto weapons skill gap.
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> Hold up. You want them to slow the bloom on the automatics to emphasize spraying and narrow the skill gap? Or, do you mean you’d rather them make the bloom more dynamic to emphasize burst firing in order to widen the skill gap?

I’m equally confused by this statement. I would think narrowing the bloom would decrease skill gap, not the other way around.

Making the bloom dynamic makes sense for game play. Automatic weapons (like the AR or suppressor) should rock at short range, should be completely ineffective at range, and at shorter-mid should require smart handling & burst firing to remain accurate.

I’m excited for the no spread, 7SK Carbine. It’ll be like Halo 2 all over again.

I honestly think the automatics dont need a buff, play rumble pit and you will see why i say this.

> > My only issue is if the LR becomes more accessible to people, I’ve spent ages trying to get good with it and I have now, if it becomes something anyone can use with ease that will be a let down.
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> > Otherwise 343 is continuing to take Halo 4 in the correct direction and I’m thoroughly excited, if it brings players back all the better
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> Well, it won’t be necessarily easier to use, but it will just have a longer range and can shoot a little bit faster. It will still require the same precise aiming as it does now.

Oh ok, that’s good :slight_smile:

> I’m very happy that 343i is trying. Unlike Bungie who did crap to try and fix Reach.

yeah I know, it seems people disregard Reach to focus their hate on Halo 4, saying 343 is a bad company when they are trying, Bungie didn’t, I even heard an argument saying it’s ok Bungie didn’t try fix Reach since they didn’t want to make Halo anymore, which is wrong

> > I’m very happy that 343i is trying. Unlike Bungie who did crap to try and fix Reach.
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> yeah I know, it seems people disregard Reach to focus their hate on Halo 4, saying 343 is a bad company when they are trying, Bungie didn’t, I even heard an argument saying it’s ok Bungie didn’t try fix Reach since they didn’t want to make Halo anymore, which is wrong

Well they knew they were giving Halo up so why would they try? 343 actually tried to fix Reach.