Recoil is not the same thing as spread from the barrel. Bloom is artificial recoil that make gunfights luck based.
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this is 100% untrue here is a full S-4 augmentations list presented by installation 00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqXCTUSsrC8)
Oh that’s pretty cool i thought augmentations were discontinued after the spartan 3 programs. That just makes the spartan 4s even stronger than i thought
yep its a pretty good vid and he has 100’s like that one, he takes lore to the next level
wide? maybe. downward? no. and to get a barrel that hot you need to put a couple of 100 rounds through it, these are military weapons we are talking about they are built for this kind of abuse.
in current BCT (basic combat training, or boot camp) shooting for groups is done on single fire, not full-auto, in and 5 round sets the barrel barely gets warm, (also tear gas isnt that bad if you take short shallow breaths)
I googled it and found the most gimmicky thing i have ever seen for firearms
bullets dont come out of a barrel in a 20 degree cone after the first trigger pull, you want a game that does recoil right play MW2019
LITERALLY!! Why would they the most hated thing fans couldnt stand… like it makes no sense to me how why they would. Their reasoning is to time your shots… tf…time your shots? Theres a reason why, when bungie was still in control, why they removed it later in reach and the entire community cam back and played it. Like 343i is absolutely poor with their judgement, code design, and just handling of halo. Just put it down and let someone who knows what their doing code and make a better game… literally the worst game designers after dice…pretty sure they worked together on this game to make it worse…feels like it because they both are trash at their jobs…except 343i has been trash for 10 years with it and we kept forgiving them smh…
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They need to retool the weapon sandbox. Remove bloom, decrease the aim assists, but also allow weapons to slay faster (while being more difficult to use). Create an actual skill gap, and the game might have a chance. Right now though, everything is just trading kills and slow, boring encounters. I could care less about all the other issues with the game, because even if they get fixed the actual core gameplay is not engaging.
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Bloom is terrible!!! It’s not fun. Nothing worse then two people spamming their shots and one person wins because of pure luck. It’s a terrible, terrible mechanic and It has been for years! I don’t understand why it takes 343I SO LONG to understand that the fan base hates x or likes x when anyone that’s been around for years can tell you the things that the majority of people like or dislike.
Also, this whole “it’s more realistic” argument is ridiculous. You are a 7ft tall genetically engineered human being, wearing futuristic armor that has ENERGY shields!!! fighting aliens, have alien allies, use futuristic weaponry that shoot something that’s not bullets aka plasma or hard light and so on. I don’t play Halo for realism. I play it for fun! If I want to play a game for realism, I will play one of the other FPS out there that do a much, much better job.
In conclusion, bloom is terrible in my opinion and 343I need to start listening to what the majority of the fans want (there doing somewhat better here) and stop changing things for the sake of change already!!!
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It makes the gameplay far worse than it could be, but it still feels better than the dog water gameplay that Reach had from it’s bloom.
I hope bloom goes away eventually
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I’ve fired a gun. At some point you get good at controlling it.
Somehow, better than 7 foot tall roided out supersoldiers.
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well, we do agree on something
Lmao also the mere fact i can flip a tank but cant hold my gun steady when shooting…tf… lmao
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My only gripe with bloom in Infinite is that there is none on the BR at long ranges…that thing is hitscan all the way.
Most guns it’s pretty minimal especially compared to H5.
It expands the cone, wide of the original cone, in 360*, not just downward. And it only takes 10-15 rounds to start heat soaking a barrel, not hundreds. Dump half a magazine through a rifle and grab the barrel, you can feel the heat, depending on cartridge and barrel thickness, it can be warm or scalding. Your standard infantry rifles are built primarily for semi, not full auto, and they’re just 22 cal with more metal around the bore than a 30 cal rifle would have. Your SAW and GPMG are where automatic fire is supposed to occur. The selector is basically there in case of emergency on an infantry rifle - the barrels of infantry rifles are too thin to handle more than a mag dump or two.
Yes, because shooting in any form of automatic - whether burst or fully - has a multiplicative negative effect on heat, recoil, and barrel harmonics. You shoot 5 rounds and take a break because otherwise accuracy can degrade due to heat soak.
Might be gimmicky, but many do swear by it (not me, my range is on my acreage and so I can shoot as long/slow as I like), especially here in the southern US where it’s hot - and a lot harder to cool a barrel after it starts to get warm due to the ambient temperature.
Never said they did. Just said that bloom is a real phenomenon with sustained shooting and is exacerbated in automatic. It’s depiction in game? Not overly realistic. Never argued that, just that it does exist, for real, in the real world, regardless of how a game depicts it.
Every halo game has bloom. But it was first showed visually in reach. Reach still has the worst bloom ever. Of all time
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The solution to bloom is adjusting the ROF of a weapon. Players aim and expect their bullets to go where theu are aiming. Players want to know that their aim is either good or bad…not their “bloom” control.
Calculated recoil can work for some guns as well…reach I believe got updated when 343 took over and they created the zero bloom playlist. So it is something that they more than likely would still read and think about…but…it’s more that they just need to rework some guns if that’s the case.
I stopped playing the game for other reasons so to me it doesn’t matter anymore…but when I play halo i expect my shots to land where I place them. The only exception would be weapons deliberately intended for spamming the trigger with the counter to that being bloom (I suppose?)
The funny thing is that you can read “pace your shots”…which sure…you can…and there you already go basically adjusting the ROF yourself. So why not remove bloom and just adjust the ROF to begin with? Or is it better to keep bloom and allow hosing down quick body shots and get 1 tap to the head?
Food for thought.
It seems like a lot of people’s critique of Halo boils down to, “This game is too hard, I’m not good at it. Make it easier for me or I won’t play” Back in the Halo Reach days, I had a ton of friends leave Halo for COD quite literally because COD was easier to kill people. If Halo’s biggest issues are bloom and longer TTK, then sayonara to the people that can’t hang. Go play something else.
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They wont change the BR. They tried “fixing it” back in halo 5 by heavily increasing the recoil and it became worthless. the community got SUPER pissed off about it and a huge percentage of players stop playing. They returned it to normal after a short while but i think maybe up to half of the player base came back. The BR has to stay as it is or they will lose most of their players especially the OG ones. Considering most weapons in infinite kinda suck they can’t afford to tamper with the BR at all. The BR is basically the same as it always has been and is a community favorite. (Not as good as halo 2s BR but that thing was a god amongst guns) You’ll just have to try and keep yourself close to cover but the BR won’t change
They can keep the bloom if necessary but a reduction on it would be great. It’s just very aggressive in this title
It’s pretty ironic that bloom was one of the most hated features of Reach and 343i’s first act as owners of Halo was removing bloom from Reach. No bloom, no sprint settings in Reach have been some of my favorite in the franchise.
10 years later they’re still adding it to their games with the tired “pace your shots” rhetoric. It’s mind boggling. Pacing shots is not the issue, it’s the RNG mechanic. I truly can’t believe this is even debatable. It’s objectively bad.
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