We want our Halo back

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So, as most of you know, Halo 4 has been a colossal failure. 75% of it’s population has moved on after only three months of it being available, and yet 343i does NOTHING about it. In fact, they completely ignore it. They all act like the changes they have made are the best changes in the history of Halo, but the majority of the Halo community does not like these changes. 343i did what they wanted to do to Halo, and the franchise has suffered because of it. But this isn’t their game, this is our game. Urk, the community manager of Bungie, said it best back in 2011 before Bungie gave up Halo:

> Halo is yours now. In many ways, it always has been. Its new caretakers will strive, just as we did, to be worthy stewards but you have the package.

See? Halo isn’t YOURS, 343i, it’s ours. 343i made Halo 4 in their version of Halo, and managed to piss off most of the subcommunities Halo had. Here’s how:

Competitive Community: Hey 343, we all want the Halo 3 ranking system to come back, and an MLG playlist. Mk?
343i: Ummmm no we’re going to use the terrible Reach ranking system that no one liked. But hey, you can have your BR back!
Forge Community: We want different environments for Forge World so the maps don’t look all the same!
343i: Well we have 3 Forge Worlds, except they’re all really small and you can’t actually forge anything on them. Sorry!
Customs community: Can we have some new game modes?
343i: Yeah! We’ve got Flood, which is basically Infection without any customization, and Dominion which is a clone of Domination from CoD. We even removed great gametypes like Assault, Juggernaut, and Race!
Offline community: We want to play Spartan Ops offline, or at least have Firefight back!
343i: Naww, that would be silly. We’re going to make you have Gold Xbox Live to play Spartan Ops, there’s no firefight, AND we made a really repetitive campaign with no scoring! Don’t you guys love us?

No 343i. We don’t. It hurts even more when we ask questions regarding these shortcomings, and we are completely ignored. Now since we have already established that Halo is OUR franchise, we have some demands that NEED to be implemented:

IN GAME CSR
Larger Forge World
Return of Assault, Race, Infection ect.
Smaller maps in Matchmaking
Spartan Ops offline
Nerf the DMR and Boltshot
Weapons ON MAP
Balance or get rid of personal ordnance
No more insta spawn
No more JiP

You have done NO good, 343i, in destroying the Halo community, ripping Halo away from it’s roots and implementing these changes, and responding to criticism. I know this is going to get blocked anyway, too. 343, you can’t run from the truth.

See you all starside, because if this keeps up, I WON’T be buying Halo 5.

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343 has failed. Microsoft should find a new company to run things.

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So how’s that job in the gaming industry going? You seem to know quite a bit of how everything works. I guess you know how much consideration it takes to change an aspect of a sandbox and compare it to hard data coming through each and every game played online. Perhaps you got confused that the vast minority of forum goers are the say all that end all in terms of decision making.

Listen, it’s fine you dislike some things, but don’t ball up “We” as if you speak for everyone. I, unlike you, can wait. It’s only been 2 months.

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Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t know the creative license and contract to Halo was in your name.

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OP is spot on with everything he said although JIP isnt great I think its alot better than the constant quitting in reach ruining games more than half the time.

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Halo 4 should have been like shooting fish in a barrel, and somehow, 343 missed.

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Sometimes I think the worst of the haters here just make alternate accounts to post this stuff. It’s all exactly the same melodramatic and rage-induced dribble over and over again. Ignore it.

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> Sometimes I think the worst of the haters here just make alternate accounts to post this stuff. It’s all exactly the same melodramatic and rage-induced dribble over and over again. Ignore it.

Not only that, I see sometimes the same hating posts on every thread like this, like the barrel metaphor up there. Seriously, at least try different metaphores for this.

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> Competitive Community: Hey 343, we all want the Halo 3 ranking system to come back, and an MLG playlist.

I want halo2 ranking system. it was better in many ways.

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> Listen, it’s fine you dislike some things, but don’t ball up “We” as if you speak for everyone. I, unlike you, can wait. It’s only been 2 months.

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Halo 4 is sad, but I do enjoy what the community cooks up, I really like vehicle based maps/gametypes.

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Sangheili community: hey can we have fully playable sangheili in all game types, return to the halo 2/3 modesl, expand our universe, and have reach styled armor.

343: WHAT?!?!? No way in hell. You see, this is halo, your not supposed to play as other species. In fact we will turn most of your race into mindless demon -Yoink!-’s, corrupt your universe, keep reach models, have them wear primitive armor, uninteresting to fight, tactic less, and not the single most bit playable at all. But hey, just as a cherry on top we’ll limit your vehicle/weapon sandbox and make them completely useless. Take the storm rifle for example, we said it will tear people to shreds but really it shoots blueberries at your opponents.

Sangheili community: wow thanks. No, not really.

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> 343 has failed. Microsoft should find a new company to run things.

343 IS Microsoft. They CREATED 343 with the purpose of creating their Halo games. 343 is Halo now and that will never change.

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Halo 3 .

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It wasen’t that bad though I think the game was kinda good.

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Halo 3 Is That away maybe you should reminisce some more. Now I may not like all the things they changed/removed/added etc. But 343 (and I must of said this a million times on these forums) DID. A. -Yoinking!-. AMAZING. JOB. WITH. HALO. 4.

I think I’m going to make a signature of all the reasons Halo 4 is good IMO. so I don’t have to rewrite everything.

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> So, as most of you know, Halo 4 has been a colossal failure.

Halo 4 has sold more copies than any other Halo game, and it was on several Top 10 lists for 2012.

I think what you meant to say was “In my opinion, Halo 4 multiplayer has been a colossal failure.” because the facts refute your claim that Halo 4 as a whole is a failure.

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> Sangheili community: hey can we have fully playable sangheili in all game types, return to the halo 2/3 modesl, expand our universe, and have reach styled armor.
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> 343: WHAT?!?!? No way in hell. You see, this is halo, your not supposed to play as other species. In fact we will turn most of your race into mindless demon -Yoink!-’s, corrupt your universe, keep reach models, have them wear primitive armor, uninteresting to fight, tactic less, and not the single most bit playable at all. But hey, just as a cherry on top we’ll limit your vehicle/weapon sandbox and make them completely useless. Take the storm rifle for example, we said it will tear people to shreds but really it shoots blueberries at your opponents.
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> Sangheili community: wow thanks. No, not really.

Uhm, as part of the Sangheili community myself, I must say that I was really sad about them not being selectable as species in Halo 4. But as far as saying that they were turned into mindless demon -Yoink!-’s? That’s a bit too far. The A.I. may not have changed too much, but that doen’t make them uninteresting to fight. They are more tactical than Knights in my opinion. Concerning their armor, the only one that looks kinda bad is the minor armor, the rest are ok (not as memorable, but not bad).

They don’t have much presence in Campaign, but in Spartan Ops, they are getting a whole lot of protagonism. I expect many great things from Jul and his evil plan (?).

As for the weapons. Maybe we got nothing new, but that doen’t mean what we have is bad. The Storm Rifle works great, almost as good as the AR, just without as much range, but is a great automatic weapon. The other weaps work just as well as they did in the past (Maybe we could get a little bit stronger Carbine).

The vehicles work good. A Ghost is’nt as much of a target for PP EMP as a Warthog. And the Banshee still has the advantage of flying. The Wraith could ire a little bit faster, but still works nicely.

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> > Sangheili community: hey can we have fully playable sangheili in all game types, return to the halo 2/3 modesl, expand our universe, and have reach styled armor.
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> > 343: WHAT?!?!? No way in hell. You see, this is halo, your not supposed to play as other species. In fact we will turn most of your race into mindless demon -Yoink!-’s, corrupt your universe, keep reach models, have them wear primitive armor, uninteresting to fight, tactic less, and not the single most bit playable at all. But hey, just as a cherry on top we’ll limit your vehicle/weapon sandbox and make them completely useless. Take the storm rifle for example, we said it will tear people to shreds but really it shoots blueberries at your opponents.
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> > Sangheili community: wow thanks. No, not really.
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> Uhm, as part of the Sangheili community myself, I must say that I was really sad about them not being selectable as species in Halo 4. But as far as saying that they were turned into mindless demon -Yoink!-’s? That’s a bit too far. The A.I. may not have changed too much, but that doen’t make them uninteresting to fight. They are more tactical than Knights in my opinion. Concerning their armor, the only one that looks kinda bad is the minor armor, the rest are ok (not as memorable, but not bad).
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> They don’t have much presence in Campaign, but in Spartan Ops, they are getting a whole lot of protagonism. I expect many great things from Jul and his evil plan (?).
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> As for the weapons. Maybe we got nothing new, but that doen’t mean what we have is bad. The Storm Rifle works great, almost as good as the AR, just without as much range, but is a great automatic weapon. The other weaps work just as well as they did in the past (Maybe we could get a little bit stronger Carbine).
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> The vehicles work good. A Ghost is’nt as much of a target for PP EMP as a Warthog. And the Banshee still has the advantage of flying. The Wraith could ire a little bit faster, but still works nicely.

For mindless demon -Yoink!-’s I am referring to the kilo-5 trilogy, I haven’t read it but from what EVERYONE is saying, that’s what at least 1/2 the population turned into for no good reason. For AI, well they and tactics, they just stand their and dodge a little, they never truly give out commands like they did in 1 and 2. Also the banshee pilots often run into walls and get stuck there even though they can easily get out. For the armor, I get that they were some disconnected colony, but why can’t they have their original armor… I mean, they got around 19 CCS cruisers, CAS carrier, tons of original weapons and vehicles, hundreds of lich’s, and a few scarabs and harvesters, yet what’s stopping them from at least some decent forearm protection? I will agree with you on jul though, I love his character. The storm rifle shoots blueberries, whenever I dump all hitting hitting shots onto an opponent, the thing is 90% till overheat versus “taking down multiple opponents by that time.” The ghost, ill admit, is better than than reach’s but still needs some tweaks. The banshee does not feel any bit right, it’s tricks are super slow and it dips down when doing a loop. The wraith is the same as ever. But here’s another question: what ever happened to the plasma launcher, needle rifle, revenant, and spectre (i know it’s been gone ever since 3 but still). And don’t take this as flaming, I’m just putting in my argument.

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> For mindless demon -Yoink!-’s I am referring to the kilo-5 trilogy, I haven’t read it but from what EVERYONE is saying, that’s what at least 1/2 the population turned into for no good reason. For AI, well they and tactics, they just stand their and dodge a little, they never truly give out commands like they did in 1 and 2. Also the banshee pilots often run into walls and get stuck there even though they can easily get out. For the armor, I get that they were some disconnected colony, but why can’t they have their original armor… I mean, they got around 19 CCS cruisers, CAS carrier, tons of original weapons and vehicles, hundreds of lich’s, and a few scarabs and harvesters, yet what’s stopping them from at least some decent forearm protection? I will agree with you on jul though, I love his character. The storm rifle shoots blueberries, whenever I dump all hitting hitting shots onto an opponent, the thing is 90% till overheat versus “taking down multiple opponents by that time.” The ghost, ill admit, is better than than reach’s but still needs some tweaks. The banshee does not feel any bit right, it’s tricks are super slow and it dips down when doing a loop. The wraith is the same as ever. But here’s another question: what ever happened to the plasma launcher, needle rifle, revenant, and spectre (i know it’s been gone ever since 3 but still). And don’t take this as flaming, I’m just putting in my argument.

Well from the kilo-5 trilogy I must say that it isn’t that they became -Yoink!-’s, but many of them still can’t accept humans, or be at peace with them. It was a 25 year old war, not everyone is gonna be happy about this, and there will always be those overzealous ones. For the vehicle piloting, yeah, you are right in that one.

The vehicles and weapons on Reach were stated to be for full-scale invasions. Unlike those in Halo 2, where the gear was standar, they just happened to accidentaly get to Earth, so they weren’t properly prepared.

As for the armor of the Remnant, they have energy shields, I don’t think they will need much armor everywhere else.