We want more info on "armor coating".

Games Halo Infinite
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> > > This is just to extract as much money as possible from the fanbase.
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> > The multiplayer is F2P, so course there’s going to be some monetization. Fortunately, they’ve already confirmed many coatings are also going to be earn-able.
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> That doesn’t make it better. The most impressive coatings are going to be paid-only. The ones that are earnable aren’t going to be as nice as those paid ones. That’s how this works.
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> I would rather have the multiplayer be paid than do this. This is going to kill the game for the long-term audience.

It’s probably going to become the new H4, massive influx followed by steep decline as player retention is killed off by stupid choices

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> > > > This is just to extract as much money as possible from the fanbase.
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> > > The multiplayer is F2P, so course there’s going to be some monetization. Fortunately, they’ve already confirmed many coatings are also going to be earn-able.
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> > That doesn’t make it better. The most impressive coatings are going to be paid-only. The ones that are earnable aren’t going to be as nice as those paid ones. That’s how this works.
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> > I would rather have the multiplayer be paid than do this. This is going to kill the game for the long-term audience.
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> It’s probably going to become the new H4, massive influx followed by steep decline as player retention is killed off by stupid choices

It’s happened with every Halo game since Halo Reach. Reach started the decline, and 343 has done nothing to fix it.

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> > Can’t wait for my grind to unlock white…so…innovative and generous of them
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> Who says that there won’t be default coatings with single-color setups? We still don’t know a lot about the system. I’m sure there’s going to be plenty of more info in the months to come.

Surely 343 would tell us if they wanted the fanbase to cool down, yet they didn’t. Who says there will? and surely I can have white and black too? ( answer is no because “haha stupid grind on H5 is fun” )

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> > This is just to extract as much money as possible from the fanbase.
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> The multiplayer is F2P, so of course there’s going to be some monetization. Fortunately, they’ve already confirmed many coatings are also going to be earn-able.

Just like Darth Vader in Battlefront 2, we will get so much pride and accomplishment for unlocking “p̶u̶r̶p̶l̶e̶” (sorry that’s already for the cookies) “almost purple” color for my spartan!

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> > > This is just to extract as much money as possible from the fanbase.
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> > The multiplayer is F2P, so of course there’s going to be some monetization. Fortunately, they’ve already confirmed many coatings are also going to be earn-able.
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> Just like Darth Vader in Battlefront 2, we will get so much pride and accomplishment for unlocking “p̶u̶r̶p̶l̶e̶” (sorry that’s for the cookies) “almost purple” color for my spartan!

Is this good for the player?

NO

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> > Another I like about the coating system is how it gives us the chance to use more than two colors at once. This whole system has opened up a lot of potential!
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> yet taken away limitless potential

We never had “limitless” potential. I bet all that we’ve seen is better than just primary and secondary color. Maybe i’m just a sell out though, huh?

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> > > Another I like about the coating system is how it gives us the chance to use more than two colors at once. This whole system has opened up a lot of potential!
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> We never had “limitless” potential. I bet all that we’ve seen is better than just primary and secondary color. Maybe i’m just a sell out though, huh?

I mean, H2 and H3 only had a 2 color set, yet Infinite will never match them in unique combinations.

Imagine how much we could do with a 3 or 4 color customization set.

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> > > Another I like about the coating system is how it gives us the chance to use more than two colors at once. This whole system has opened up a lot of potential!
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> We never had “limitless” potential. I bet all that we’ve seen is better than just primary and secondary color. Maybe i’m just a sell out though, huh?

In order for Halo Infinite to match the number of color combos available in Halo 5, it would need to have over 3,000 color combos available. That’s just for basic Primary + Secondary.
There is no way that game will have 3,000+ coatings to match Halo 5’s available offerings and for free.

Yeah, Halo 5 and the prior Halo games may have been more limited, but there was a lot you could do with it to make a truly unique Spartan, in addition to the armor choices. You may get some more flashy armor color schemes in Halo Infinite, but your choices are going to be greatly limited by comparison to all the prior Halo games.

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> > Can’t wait for my grind to unlock white…so…innovative and generous of them
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> Who says that there won’t be default coatings with single-color setups? We still don’t know a lot about the system. I’m sure there’s going to be plenty of more info in the months to come.

We don’t know, but it is highly improbable considering that the Monarch skin for example is basically just purple.
It would be stupid to sell a coating which is basically the same as a default coating, who would buy it?

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> I guess my only concern now is for the amount of variety between the ones that are monetized versos earned by playing, like if there is a black and red coat on the store, does that mean there won’t be one that a person can earn by playing the game?

If I had to guess, those coatings could be a timed exclusive for a year. Worst case scenario, they’re only available from buying specially marked merchandise. Honestly, I see them being available after a year or so.

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Obviously, it would be great if we could customize all 100+ sections of the armor with the color (full RGB), pattern, and texture (with sliders) of our choosing, individually.

I’m just hoping that we get a set of the legacy primary colors (like CE) off the start. It would be better if we get all the basic color combos (to simulate the legacy primary/secondary color system) with no pattern and a default texture. Beyond that, it doesn’t bother me at all that unique coatings (special locations, colors, patters, textures, etc.) are dev-made and monetized.

They made the choice to go free-to-play and it’s best that they monetize coatings (and armor?) over pay-to-win BS. I think as long as we get some basic color coatings and lots of armor customization, I’ll feel satisfied that my armor represents me as a player. It’s not a perfect system, but it could’ve been a lot worse.

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> TLDR; we won’t have a two-color-system; fact - it will be replaced, yes - but will it be worse? Or even better? Does anyone actually think that such a drastic change came lightheaded, like: “way to make monies? scratch colors, LOL it will work” - regarding that I’ll just add some other quote which should make everyone with the exception of the most stubborn die-hard fans of color customization in the least cautiously optimistic:

There’s but one tiny detail here regarding this.
i343 could have implemented their new coat system, as well as allowed us to select which colors to use on these coats.

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> I dunno about everyone else, but IIRC there has been since at least the last two titles the demand for more color variation and ways to implement them and as far as we know, Halo Infinite’s coating system will provide exactly that. Not argueing that coatings in other games didn’t work, but we’re talking Halo Infinite, not Destiny 1/2.

And I suspect that those who were asking for more color variations, weren’t looking to get the entire system get replaced.
Also, no, I do not believe i343 are going to come even close to the same amount of coats to choose from, as there were color combinations in Halo 5.
If they do, I’d argue that they’d have done it far better, and less time consuming, to just implement color selection for coats in the first place.

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> What you did obviously miss or just don’t want to acknowledge because of whatever reason or bias you have toward 343i, is that all we currently know, judging by all the intel the people from 343i currently shared until today, indicates that in terms of customization we will have more freedom and options than the last two titles combined, in terms of color management as well as ways to unlock customization parts.

I think you misunderstand the controversy people are talking about.
Total player customization is on some level seen as a branching system.
In Halo 5, you’ve got your Armors, Colors, Emblems, Assassinations and Stances.

Each and every one of these categories are independant, they’re their own branch.
The total amount of combinations between these are humongous, and adding a single item to any single one of those will increase the combinations by a significant amount.

However, having the Armor branch improve, doesn’t mean that people can’t be let down if any of the other branches revert to a less desireable version.
It’s great that Armor customization is said to be on a Reach level, it’s even better if it’s what I thought Reach’s customization would be, with individual armor addons, not just different variants with pre-selected addons.
Color selection being removed, and replaced with a skin system? No, that’s not an improvement, that’s a massive sidestep.

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> I can’t speak for anyone else except me of course, but in my opinion that’s exactly the kind of progress that was needed.

You could have had a skin system from the beginning, and i343 could’ve implemented color selection for the skins.
Or i343 could’ve added the coat system on top of the color selection system, and we’d have customizable colors with skins.
I don’t really see how replacing the color selection system with a skin system is in any way or form “progress”.

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> > > > Another I like about the coating system is how it gives us the chance to use more than two colors at once. This whole system has opened up a lot of potential!
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> > > yet taken away limitless potential
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> > We never had “limitless” potential. I bet all that we’ve seen is better than just primary and secondary color. Maybe i’m just a sell out though, huh?
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> In order for Halo Infinite to match the number of color combos available in Halo 5, it would need to have over 3,000 color combos available. That’s just for basic Primary + Secondary.
> There is no way that game will have 3,000+ coatings to match Halo 5’s available offerings and for free.
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> Yeah, Halo 5 and the prior Halo games may have been more limited, but there was a lot you could do with it to make a truly unique Spartan, in addition to the armor choices. You may get some more flashy armor color schemes in Halo Infinite, but your choices are going to be greatly limited by comparison to all the prior Halo games.

And there’s no way all 3,000 of those combinations are used. No need to worry about something you won’t use. (Unless you use pink and tan. In that case…sorry.) I just don’t think people understand how this isn’t gonna effect them that match. And if someone complains that they gotta play for a few hours to get a color, boo hoo. Does this community insist on being dramatic and unreasonable? (Yep)

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The update has a lot of useful information but the explanation behind the armour coating just felt like empty air. Saying something is deep and expansive over and over doesn’t make it so.
Unless the colour customization is the other “part” of the customization you guys were talking about this is still a huge step back.
And no, 343, you can’t hid behind the subject forever.

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> The update has a lot of useful information but the explanation behind the armour coating just felt like empty air. Saying something is deep and expansive over and over doesn’t make it so.
> Unless the colour customization is the other “part” of the customization you guys were talking about this is still a huge step back.
> And no, 343, you can’t hid behind the subject forever.

Agree they talk like some marketing expert it is behind writing such “explanation”, overcomplicated explanation either way

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Based off the screenshots we got in the high level update, I think armor coatings are going to eventually be received well by the community.

I know a ton of people won’t agree, but I’m pretty sure we’ll end up with better customization options in regard to color than we’ve ever had before. I don’t think asymmetric coloring (Scorpion sting coating) have ever been an option, aside from maybe some of the H5 req armors.

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The solution couldn’t be simpler for 343. Provide free Primary + Secondary color customization at a minimum. If that baseline is met then any customization-related microtransactions will be seen as an acceptable byproduct of F2P multiplayer. Failing to provide what has been a staple since Halo 2 is a regression and will be received as a middle finger by the community.

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> Based off the screenshots we got in the high level update, I think armor coatings are going to eventually be received well by the community.
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> I know a ton of people won’t agree, but I’m pretty sure we’ll end up with better customization options in regard to color than we’ve ever had before. I don’t think asymmetric coloring (Scorpion sting coating) have ever been an option, aside from maybe some of the H5 req armors.

I think it might be better then what a lot of us think, I agree, but overall, I think it’ll be disappointing for most people because all the cool, good colours, patterns, wear and tear on your armor look, armours, weapon skins etc will be paid only, who is kidding who here! 343I themselves even said there will be “premium cosmetics” aka all the cool good stuff you will have to pay money for :disappointed:

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> > Based off the screenshots we got in the high level update, I think armor coatings are going to eventually be received well by the community.
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> > I know a ton of people won’t agree, but I’m pretty sure we’ll end up with better customization options in regard to color than we’ve ever had before. I don’t think asymmetric coloring (Scorpion sting coating) have ever been an option, aside from maybe some of the H5 req armors.
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> I think it might be better then what a lot of us think, I agree, but overall, I think it’ll be disappointing for most people because all the cool, good colours, patterns, wear and tear on your armor look, armours, weapon skins etc will be paid only, who is kidding who here! 343I themselves even said there will be “premium cosmetics” aka all the cool good stuff you will have to pay money for :disappointed:

All their armor/vehicle renders also like telling you what skin it is, like its advertising you to go find out how to buy it.

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> Who says that there won’t be default coatings with single-color setups? We still don’t know a lot about the system. I’m sure there’s going to be plenty of more info in the months to come.

Ah yes, a return to Halo CE customization with single color selection. How generous of them. I would much rather by solid white as default instead of white-black, white-red, white-gray, white-blue, white-green, white-pink, and white-etc as default. Man hopefully they grace us with default solid colors, that would be so awesome and next gen.