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> > Ya know what? If this is what we get instead of REQ packs . . . I will just have to live with it. Because at least its only the textures that are being affected. You never know, maybe 343 will explain the system and people will suddenly love it. Because lets get real, would you rather have every armor locked behind a pay-wall? Or would you prefer to have colors behind a pay-wall? I personally would prefer for colors to be locked behind a pay-wall.
>
> I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
True, but at this rate, we will have to take what we can get.
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> > It makes me wonder, is the whole “Red vs. Blue” thing gonna go away? I wouldn’t try to make someone buy a bunch of skins and then only let them use them in a few modes. Yeah, we couldn’t use custom colors in many modes before but we also didn’t have to earn or pay for colors before. Thoughts?
>
> 343 showed a litttttttttle indication of this in H4 naming the teams sharks and stingrays. They were of course still red and blue primary colors though, 343 just showed some signs of moving away from calling them “Red vs Blue.” That’s a bit of a stretch though tying the names of the teams to the colors.
>
> I seriously doubt the color scheme would be gone, how else would we quickly identify our teammates? There needs to be a strong visual signifier that identifies friendlies and enemies.
>
> Perhaps they’re moving in a direction where “your team” gets to display their skins, and the enemies are all colored red or something? That way both teams get to see/express their choices while also being able to quickly identify the enemy as red? I’m no game dev but maybe they’re experimenting with it in that manner.
My thought is whatever the successor to Arena is will be RvB still, with the ‘casual’ gamemode being default skins with red/blue outlines ala destiny.
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> > It makes me wonder, is the whole “Red vs. Blue” thing gonna go away? I wouldn’t try to make someone buy a bunch of skins and then only let them use them in a few modes. Yeah, we couldn’t use custom colors in many modes before but we also didn’t have to earn or pay for colors before. Thoughts?
>
> 343 showed a litttttttttle indication of this in H4 naming the teams sharks and stingrays. They were of course still red and blue primary colors though, 343 just showed some signs of moving away from calling them “Red vs Blue.” That’s a bit of a stretch though tying the names of the teams to the colors.
>
> I seriously doubt the color scheme would be gone, how else would we quickly identify our teammates? There needs to be a strong visual signifier that identifies friendlies and enemies.
>
> Perhaps they’re moving in a direction where “your team” gets to display their skins, and the enemies are all colored red or something? That way both teams get to see/express their choices while also being able to quickly identify the enemy as red? I’m no game dev but maybe they’re experimenting with it in that manner.
Perhaps. I don’t know if it would be giving the player too much information, but maybe having your allies highlighted on the map could work? (Have a blue outline on your teammates)
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> > Ya know what? If this is what we get instead of REQ packs . . . I will just have to live with it. Because at least its only the textures that are being affected. You never know, maybe 343 will explain the system and people will suddenly love it. Because lets get real, would you rather have every armor locked behind a pay-wall? Or would you prefer to have colors behind a pay-wall? I personally would prefer for colors to be locked behind a pay-wall.
>
> I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
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> > > Ya know what? If this is what we get instead of REQ packs . . . I will just have to live with it. Because at least its only the textures that are being affected. You never know, maybe 343 will explain the system and people will suddenly love it. Because lets get real, would you rather have every armor locked behind a pay-wall? Or would you prefer to have colors behind a pay-wall? I personally would prefer for colors to be locked behind a pay-wall.
> >
> > I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
>
> True, but at this rate, we will have to take what we can get.
You CAN say “no” and decline until you’re shown the same level of quality and treatment you expected and got a decade ago and beyond with Halo.
Again, remember; that defeatist attitude of “I’ll just accept basic features being continously taken away because corporate executives want to tout the Halo franchise as just another free-to-play mess of a live service”… is exactly what said corp execs are banking on.
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> > > Ya know what? If this is what we get instead of REQ packs . . . I will just have to live with it. Because at least its only the textures that are being affected. You never know, maybe 343 will explain the system and people will suddenly love it. Because lets get real, would you rather have every armor locked behind a pay-wall? Or would you prefer to have colors behind a pay-wall? I personally would prefer for colors to be locked behind a pay-wall.
> >
> > I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
>
> Who says you can’t?
Sure hope that the color scheme you like isn’t behind a massive grind wall designed to frustrate you into just buying it for $5.
Come on people, use your heads, we’ve all seen how this F2P crap works.
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> > > > Ya know what? If this is what we get instead of REQ packs . . . I will just have to live with it. Because at least its only the textures that are being affected. You never know, maybe 343 will explain the system and people will suddenly love it. Because lets get real, would you rather have every armor locked behind a pay-wall? Or would you prefer to have colors behind a pay-wall? I personally would prefer for colors to be locked behind a pay-wall.
> > >
> > > I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
> >
> > True, but at this rate, we will have to take what we can get.
>
> You CAN say “no” and decline until you’re shown the same level of quality and treatment you expected and got a decade ago and beyond with Halo.
>
> Again, remember; that defeatist attitude of “I’ll just accept basic features being continously taken away because corporate executives want to tout the Halo franchise as just another free-to-play mess of a live service”… is exactly what said corp execs are banking on.
>
> EDIT: I’ve just remembered, someone thought it was a good idea to explain that the armour in Halo 5 would be locked in a bloated lootbox system, and to anyone whose concerned about the balance of REQ weapons; “GROWN-UP’s are talking”.
I know that, but honestly with a company as stubborn as 343. I doubt that they will change based off of our feedback. And since it is not THAT big a deal that we cannot pick our colors (even if it is ridiculous), I don’t think I will walk based on something so trivial (even if it is unfair).
So I get that I am playing right into 343’s hands here. But I gave up on 343 listening to us a long time ago.
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> > > > > Ya know what? If this is what we get instead of REQ packs . . . I will just have to live with it. Because at least its only the textures that are being affected. You never know, maybe 343 will explain the system and people will suddenly love it. Because lets get real, would you rather have every armor locked behind a pay-wall? Or would you prefer to have colors behind a pay-wall? I personally would prefer for colors to be locked behind a pay-wall.
> > > >
> > > > I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
> > >
> > > True, but at this rate, we will have to take what we can get.
> >
> > You CAN say “no” and decline until you’re shown the same level of quality and treatment you expected and got a decade ago and beyond with Halo.
> >
> > Again, remember; that defeatist attitude of “I’ll just accept basic features being continously taken away because corporate executives want to tout the Halo franchise as just another free-to-play mess of a live service”… is exactly what said corp execs are banking on.
> >
> > EDIT: I’ve just remembered, someone thought it was a good idea to explain that the armour in Halo 5 would be locked in a bloated lootbox system, and to anyone whose concerned about the balance of REQ weapons; “GROWN-UP’s are talking”.
>
> I know that, but honestly with a company as stubborn as 343. I doubt that they will change based off of our feedback. And since it is not THAT big a deal that we cannot pick our colors (even if it is ridiculous), I don’t think I will walk based on something so trivial (even if it is unfair).
>
> So I get that I am playing right into 343’s hands here. But I gave up on 343 listening to us a long time ago.
They did revert how coloring emblems worked in Halo 5 after launch.
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> > > > Ya know what? If this is what we get instead of REQ packs . . . I will just have to live with it. Because at least its only the textures that are being affected. You never know, maybe 343 will explain the system and people will suddenly love it. Because lets get real, would you rather have every armor locked behind a pay-wall? Or would you prefer to have colors behind a pay-wall? I personally would prefer for colors to be locked behind a pay-wall.
> > >
> > > I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
> >
> > Who says you can’t?
>
> Sure hope that the color scheme you like isn’t behind a massive grind wall designed to frustrate you into just buying it for $5.
>
> Come on people, use your heads, we’ve all seen how this F2P crap works.
Personally, I’m just more excited about the potential of armor coatings than mourning the loss of having primary colors. The potential of unique patterns, designs, effects, equipment, and more on your armor excites me too much to care about simple color schemes.
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> > > > > Ya know what? If this is what we get instead of REQ packs . . . I will just have to live with it. Because at least its only the textures that are being affected. You never know, maybe 343 will explain the system and people will suddenly love it. Because lets get real, would you rather have every armor locked behind a pay-wall? Or would you prefer to have colors behind a pay-wall? I personally would prefer for colors to be locked behind a pay-wall.
> > > >
> > > > I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
> > >
> > > Who says you can’t?
> >
> > Sure hope that the color scheme you like isn’t behind a massive grind wall designed to frustrate you into just buying it for $5.
> >
> > Come on people, use your heads, we’ve all seen how this F2P crap works.
>
> Personally, I’m just more excited about the potential of armor coatings than mourning the loss of having primary colors. The potential of unique patterns, designs, effects, equipment, and more on your armor excites me too much to care about simple color schemes.
“The Prophets are liars, but you are fools to do their bidding.”
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> > > > > > Ya know what? If this is what we get instead of REQ packs . . . I will just have to live with it. Because at least its only the textures that are being affected. You never know, maybe 343 will explain the system and people will suddenly love it. Because lets get real, would you rather have every armor locked behind a pay-wall? Or would you prefer to have colors behind a pay-wall? I personally would prefer for colors to be locked behind a pay-wall.
> > > > >
> > > > > I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
> > > >
> > > > Who says you can’t?
> > >
> > > Sure hope that the color scheme you like isn’t behind a massive grind wall designed to frustrate you into just buying it for $5.
> > >
> > > Come on people, use your heads, we’ve all seen how this F2P crap works.
> >
> > Personally, I’m just more excited about the potential of armor coatings than mourning the loss of having primary colors. The potential of unique patterns, designs, effects, equipment, and more on your armor excites me too much to care about simple color schemes.
>
> “The Prophets are liars, but you are fools to do their bidding.”
>
> --Arbiter
I forget how fun it is to mine the Halo games for quotes to use on people.
Honestly, I understand wanting more customization potential, I just think that the amount we have now is good. They could have literally just copied DOOM 2016’s MP customization, and I don’t think anyone would be mad. That customization system was extensive and well put-together.
It just couldn’t be monetized. The guy you’re responding to is saying things like “Well, there’ll be a lot that can be unlocked!” but he doesn’t know that. He’s speculating as much as we are. It’s possible there’s a 50/50 split of unlockables and purchasable, but until 343 gets their heads out of the sand and starts clarifying thing, we’re reduced to mere speculation.
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> > > > > > Ya know what? If this is what we get instead of REQ packs . . . I will just have to live with it. Because at least its only the textures that are being affected. You never know, maybe 343 will explain the system and people will suddenly love it. Because lets get real, would you rather have every armor locked behind a pay-wall? Or would you prefer to have colors behind a pay-wall? I personally would prefer for colors to be locked behind a pay-wall.
> > > > >
> > > > > I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
> > > >
> > > > Who says you can’t?
> > >
> > > Sure hope that the color scheme you like isn’t behind a massive grind wall designed to frustrate you into just buying it for $5.
> > >
> > > Come on people, use your heads, we’ve all seen how this F2P crap works.
> >
> > Personally, I’m just more excited about the potential of armor coatings than mourning the loss of having primary colors. The potential of unique patterns, designs, effects, equipment, and more on your armor excites me too much to care about simple color schemes.
>
> “The Prophets are liars, but you are fools to do their bidding.”
>
> --Arbiter
Meh, to me it seems more productive to be excited about the potential of a new direction than complain pointlessly online about a topic we don’t fully understand yet. Because remember, all this whining is from a paragraph and some screenshots.
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> > > > > > > Ya know what? If this is what we get instead of REQ packs . . . I will just have to live with it. Because at least its only the textures that are being affected. You never know, maybe 343 will explain the system and people will suddenly love it. Because lets get real, would you rather have every armor locked behind a pay-wall? Or would you prefer to have colors behind a pay-wall? I personally would prefer for colors to be locked behind a pay-wall.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who says you can’t?
> > > >
> > > > Sure hope that the color scheme you like isn’t behind a massive grind wall designed to frustrate you into just buying it for $5.
> > > >
> > > > Come on people, use your heads, we’ve all seen how this F2P crap works.
> > >
> > > Personally, I’m just more excited about the potential of armor coatings than mourning the loss of having primary colors. The potential of unique patterns, designs, effects, equipment, and more on your armor excites me too much to care about simple color schemes.
> >
> > “The Prophets are liars, but you are fools to do their bidding.”
> >
> > --Arbiter
>
> Meh, to me it seems more productive to be excited about the potential of a new direction than complain pointlessly online about a topic we don’t fully understand yet. Because remember, all this whining is from a paragraph and some screenshots.
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> > > > > > > > Ya know what? If this is what we get instead of REQ packs . . . I will just have to live with it. Because at least its only the textures that are being affected. You never know, maybe 343 will explain the system and people will suddenly love it. Because lets get real, would you rather have every armor locked behind a pay-wall? Or would you prefer to have colors behind a pay-wall? I personally would prefer for colors to be locked behind a pay-wall.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Who says you can’t?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure hope that the color scheme you like isn’t behind a massive grind wall designed to frustrate you into just buying it for $5.
> > > > >
> > > > > Come on people, use your heads, we’ve all seen how this F2P crap works.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I’m just more excited about the potential of armor coatings than mourning the loss of having primary colors. The potential of unique patterns, designs, effects, equipment, and more on your armor excites me too much to care about simple color schemes.
> > >
> > > “The Prophets are liars, but you are fools to do their bidding.”
> > >
> > > --Arbiter
> >
> > Meh, to me it seems more productive to be excited about the potential of a new direction than complain pointlessly online about a topic we don’t fully understand yet. Because remember, all this whining is from a paragraph and some screenshots.
>
> And a receipt calling a coating a $5 value.
Wouldn’t that just be an ERP for promotional purposes? Kind of like how ERP for Xbox Series X was like $699 in US promos a couple months before pricing was announced? It doesn’t necessarily mean the skin itself will be $5 in Halo. That’s part of the problem, people speculating based thigs they don’t fully comprehend. We need to wait to get the full story before complaining. If it ends up being a horrible system, I’ll be first in line to be upset, but so far I have no reason to be angry. Concerned, maybe, but angry? Come on.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who says you can’t?
> > > >
> > > > Sure hope that the color scheme you like isn’t behind a massive grind wall designed to frustrate you into just buying it for $5.
> > > >
> > > > Come on people, use your heads, we’ve all seen how this F2P crap works.
> > >
> > > Personally, I’m just more excited about the potential of armor coatings than mourning the loss of having primary colors. The potential of unique patterns, designs, effects, equipment, and more on your armor excites me too much to care about simple color schemes.
> >
> > “The Prophets are liars, but you are fools to do their bidding.”
> >
> > --Arbiter
>
> Meh, to me it seems more productive to be excited about the potential of a new direction than complain pointlessly online about a topic we don’t fully understand yet. Because remember, all this whining is from a paragraph and some screenshots.
Neither do you, but that doesn’t stop you from making definitive statements.
Criticizing the direction of the game is a way for people who are dissatisfied with this change (which seems to be the majority) to let 343 know they should change something. They’ve got thread after thread on Reddit and posts here on Waypoint to look over and see dissatisfaction. Part of the reason that Battlefront 2’s microtransactions went away as fast as they did was because of the outrage on the internet (although the national controversy was rather damaging)
I don’t want to be excited about this, because it seems like what 343 is doing is a mistake. They should let us customize freely, not greedly lock away options. How do I know they’re going to have my color scheme in-game?
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I’d rather unlock armor/colors by simply playing like I used for a game I ALREADY PAID FOR. Anything else is exorbitant greed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who says you can’t?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sure hope that the color scheme you like isn’t behind a massive grind wall designed to frustrate you into just buying it for $5.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Come on people, use your heads, we’ve all seen how this F2P crap works.
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally, I’m just more excited about the potential of armor coatings than mourning the loss of having primary colors. The potential of unique patterns, designs, effects, equipment, and more on your armor excites me too much to care about simple color schemes.
> > > >
> > > > “The Prophets are liars, but you are fools to do their bidding.”
> > > >
> > > > --Arbiter
> > >
> > > Meh, to me it seems more productive to be excited about the potential of a new direction than complain pointlessly online about a topic we don’t fully understand yet. Because remember, all this whining is from a paragraph and some screenshots.
> >
> > And a receipt calling a coating a $5 value.
>
> Wouldn’t that just be an ERP for promotional purposes? Kind of like how ERP for Xbox Series X was like $699 in US promos a couple months before pricing was announced? It doesn’t necessarily mean the skin itself will be $5 in Halo. That’s part of the problem, people speculating based thigs they don’t fully comprehend. We need to wait to get the full story before complaining. If it ends up being a horrible system, I’ll be first in line to be upset, but so far I have no reason to be angry. Concerned, maybe, but angry? Come on.
Imagine being outside, and walking between a pair of metal rails. You see a pair of flashing red lights lights, and a bell. Then the ground rumbles, and you hear a loud whistle in the distance.
You’d apparently sit there and wait to see what happens
I use my common sense, and realize that there’s a -yoinking- train barreling towards me.
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>
> Welcome to the dark future.