We want more info on "armor coating".

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> As long as there is a plethora of different color coatings, I honestly don’t think this will be an issue. I hope that 343 at least gives everyone primary color (red, blue, green, etc) coatings right off the bat.
> From my understanding, the coatings will replace the primary and secondary colors, as single unit skins with the option to mix and match upon different armors.
> I may be looking at this wrong but I see it more as 343 removing the secondary color choice and making the primary color choice more complex.
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> My only question:
> If I get the Gamestop red coating, can I use it on any armor I have acquired or is it limited/tied to a set armor?

It would be Red, Blue, Yellow. Green is not actually a primary color, despite RGB being a thing. That said, I’ll bet you only start with basic Smurf Blue. It’ll be like the guy from the mountain dew commercials for Halo 4. Just imagine entire teams of literal blueberries at launch. Also, running theory is that these are full-body skins that cannot be altered in any way.

That is a very relevant question.

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> > As long as there is a plethora of different color coatings, I honestly don’t think this will be an issue. I hope that 343 at least gives everyone primary color (red, blue, green, etc) coatings right off the bat.
> > From my understanding, the coatings will replace the primary and secondary colors, as single unit skins with the option to mix and match upon different armors.
> > I may be looking at this wrong but I see it more as 343 removing the secondary color choice and making the primary color choice more complex.
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> > My only question:
> > If I get the Gamestop red coating, can I use it on any armor I have acquired or is it limited/tied to a set armor?
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> It would be Red, Blue, Yellow. Green is not actually a primary color, despite RGB being a thing. That said, I’ll bet you only start with basic Smurf Blue. It’ll be like the guy from the mountain dew commercials for Halo 4. Just imagine entire teams of literal blueberries at launch. Also, running theory is that these are full-body skins that cannot be altered in any way.
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> That is a very relevant question.

Thanks for the correction in that regard. I just meant giving us standard color coatings. Like Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, Purple, Pink, Brown, etc. Basically the Halo CE color template.

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> > > As long as there is a plethora of different color coatings, I honestly don’t think this will be an issue. I hope that 343 at least gives everyone primary color (red, blue, green, etc) coatings right off the bat.
> > > From my understanding, the coatings will replace the primary and secondary colors, as single unit skins with the option to mix and match upon different armors.
> > > I may be looking at this wrong but I see it more as 343 removing the secondary color choice and making the primary color choice more complex.
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> > > My only question:
> > > If I get the Gamestop red coating, can I use it on any armor I have acquired or is it limited/tied to a set armor?
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> > It would be Red, Blue, Yellow. Green is not actually a primary color, despite RGB being a thing. That said, I’ll bet you only start with basic Smurf Blue. It’ll be like the guy from the mountain dew commercials for Halo 4. Just imagine entire teams of literal blueberries at launch. Also, running theory is that these are full-body skins that cannot be altered in any way.
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> > That is a very relevant question.
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> Thanks for the correction in that regard. I just meant giving us standard color coatings. Like Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, Purple, Pink, Brown, etc. Basically the Halo CE color template.

You have to buy purple, we know that much. Still not sure I understand why 343 was like “solid flat colors! Everyone loves those!” I don’t think I’ve ever run into someone who wasn’t a noob running solid anything other than sage, white, or black.

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> But I imagine there are only so many colour combinations in use. So it shouldn’t be too hard to provide the core offerings.

Halo 5 had 2304 primary/secondary combinations.
I doubt we can choose between that many base coatings. I don’t even think we will get all Reach’s 900.
And that’s just the base. Some of the coatings have 3 colours too, some are weathered Etc. In total that would be way more than I ever think they will have in the game.
And what if the 1 coating that has your colours, has a really ugly pattern?
It’s just simpler for most people to have both patterns and colours chosen
I get that you are hyped about this, but what if players can choose to either use coatings or the regular system? Would you be against that? They could both exist.

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> Halo 5 had 2304 primary/secondary combinations. I doubt we can choose between that many base coatings. I don’t even think we will get all Reach’s 900. And that’s just the base.

But I imagine only a fraction of those combinations are used in anger.

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> And what if the 1 coating that has your colours, has a really ugly pattern? It’s just simpler for most people to have both patterns and colours chosen
> I get that you are hyped about this, but what if players can choose to either use coatings or the regular system? Would you be against that? They could both exist.

No, I agree. The simplest “out” for 343 is to have a primary / secondary choice… even if just for the 16 or so most popular colours. Some specific shades (eg. Cadbury purple) can be kept aside for the duration of their promotion. And then the fancier coats can be purchased or ground for at the player’s leisure.

I’m hyped for the possibilities of the the multi-coat system… but it’s hard to get too excited without knowing any of the specifics.

Honestly? I can’t help but wonder how this is going to impact Rooster Teeth. If they can’t give their cast the core colors they’ve always had, that’s going to SERIOUSLY suck isn’t it?

Did they say it is free to play at some point? if that is true that it makes sense why they would add such odd feature from what I hear.

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> Did they say it is free to play at some point? if that is true that it makes sense why they would add such odd feature from what I hear.

Yes they revealed the multiplayer is free to play, we also expected micro transactions and cosmetic additions. That is not the issue, the issue is they’re reducing our customisation options by removing the existing colours system we’ve had for nearly 20 years, I want to know why and I suspect many others do too. The armour coatings are not a bad idea and players will buy them, but I see no reason to remove the base colour system.

I am honestly just shocked that armour colour is a problem now, just how? at this point in Halo we should have 4 armour colour choices what is going on??? I hope this coating system does very well. 343 does do some good armour colours in Halo 4, 5 and MCC.

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> > Did they say it is free to play at some point? if that is true that it makes sense why they would add such odd feature from what I hear.
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> Yes they revealed the multiplayer is free to play, we also expected micro transactions and cosmetic additions. That is not the issue, the issue is they’re reducing our customisation options by removing the existing colours system we’ve had for nearly 20 years, I want to know why and I suspect many others do too. The armour coatings are not a bad idea and players will buy them, but I see no reason to remove the base colour system.

Because by removing the base colour system the coating inventory will now grow exponentially since a lot of coatings will simply be a single, low effort, plain color (look at the Monarch skin, it’s just PURPLE. Will this be the only purple skin in the game? Or do I need to grind/pay for purple + green accent?).
Now that there’s a huge amount of coatings they can sell loot boxes with a couple of cool legendary coatings and fill the rest of the space with those low effort padding coatings.
It’s just Halo 5 REQs all over again, but now it’s for colors too.

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> > I think this whole coating thing is dangerously close to destiny shaders…and I honestly don’t know how to feel about it. As long as you don’t have to buy ANY of the colors I guess that’s ok I just hope that 343 listens to the community and finds some middle ground.
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> Because the Multiplayer will be Free to Play, they’ll monetize the game by selling shaders for real money, most likely.

I thought they would make money on the campaign…

Letting this sit for a few days has had me change my opinion. I understand how this system could be great, though I worry how it’s compared to destiny shaders. On the other hand, I’m concerned that 343 is moving away from such a classic mechanic. My guess is that the ability to customize materials and wear/tear were going to be a new feature anyways. With the game going free to play, they probably had to choose something to monetize and colors were the subject. Hopefully we get some extra coating if we actually buy the campaign, just to reward the people who actually pay money.

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> > > Did they say it is free to play at some point? if that is true that it makes sense why they would add such odd feature from what I hear.
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> > Yes they revealed the multiplayer is free to play, we also expected micro transactions and cosmetic additions. That is not the issue, the issue is they’re reducing our customisation options by removing the existing colours system we’ve had for nearly 20 years, I want to know why and I suspect many others do too. The armour coatings are not a bad idea and players will buy them, but I see no reason to remove the base colour system.
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> Because by removing the base colour system the coating inventory will now grow exponentially since a lot of coatings will simply be a single, low effort, plain color (look at the Monarch skin, it’s just PURPLE. Will this be the only purple skin in the game? Or do I need to grind/pay for purple + green accent?).
> Now that there’s a huge amount of coatings they can sell loot boxes with a couple of cool legendary coatings and fill the rest of the space with those low effort padding coatings.
> It’s just Halo 5 REQs all over again, but now it’s for colors too.

There will be no paid loot boxes in Halo Infinite, 343i confirmed that. Bottom line is, there is no valid reason to remove our colour system that I can see. Players will buy the new cosmetics regardless.

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> > > > > > What you guys at 343 have provided in terms of information on this feature isn’t enough. You have got to come out and say how this system is going to work. All you’ve done is beat around the bush.
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> > > > > > “a “coating” is “a seven-layer shader that allows us to put any artist-authored color, material, or pattern into seven channels and apply it to in-game items like weapons, armor, and vehicles.”" Well no kidding. We want to know how we get new colors.
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> > > > > > - Do we start out with a certain amount of colors? - Can we mix and match armor coatings? - Can we create our own armor coatings? - How do we get new armor coatings?These are the questions we want to know. If we can mix and match and players have a good amount of colors to start out with (like 30-40), no one will have a problem with this new system. Then maybe we can stick to these cool sets with pre-determined shades like Red Shift which has a bunch of different colors going on while also being able to create our own patterns.
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> > > > > I don’t know about anyone else, but I just inferred this when I read the post. I think all of the negative sentiment seems to come from people trying to put words in 343 mouths when that doesn’t make sense to do. Like this OP on this forum is essentially saying “Woah woah woah. 343 didn’t explicitly state that they would give us colors to work with by default. I think that means they won’t let us do that.” When any rational person would see the post and assume that yeah, that’s probably the case. I have no idea where people are getting the idea that the color green is going to somehow locked behind a paywall. The hivemind at work, I guess. For example, consider a game like MW, where every gun has a unique set of customization options with the skin, stickers, reticles, etc. with the option to simply unlock a really large amount of these options through gameplay, or the added caveat of getting particularly unique skins through MTX. A system like this is what I immediately assumed was going to happen. I guess I just give 343 the benefit of the doubt? I don’t know why you wouldn’t here.
> > > > > I guess for me it’s a matter of saying “You didn’t explicitly say this, but I didn’t think you necessarily needed to say that so I’m going to assume you’re adding that” vs. “You didn’t explicitly say this, does this mean you’re just not going to have anything like this?” which seems like the wrong take to make about the situation completely. It just seems like overreaction for the sake of being upset and I feel like it’s largely a waste of everyone’s time to make this much conjecture about it.
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> > > > Even what you are suggesting is TERRIBLE. COD’s Customisation has always been sub-par. We want H-A-L-O customisation.
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> > > You’re really telling me you don’t like MW’s gun skin customization?? I had thought it was the actual best of any shooter to date. To each his own, I suppose.
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> > Good for COD. Not for Halo.
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> You just said COD’s customization was sub-par I thought? You don’t even know what you like, how could you know that you wouldn’t end up liking this?
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> I mean, why? Why is it not good? What even is H-A-L-O customization? Did Halo 3 invent and patent the primary/secondary color technique? Why does it actually matter how you can customize your spartan, as long as the options for customizations allow for everyone to be unique?

Sub-par customization is just fine, even good for COD. Its sub-par overall but fine for COD, because player expression has never been that important in COD compared to Halo. And cheers mate, I do know what I like.

Why is it not good overall? Because player expression is limited, every weapon has a set of artist designed skins and medals or whatever. I’ve played the Warzone element of MW and sure it has a lot of options but that doesn’t make it quality. If it was good you’d be able to use the ‘skins’ as a texture/layering on top of actual customisation.

Character customisation isn’t the same as skins

It matters how you can customise your Spartan because the system they’ve put forward were colours are baked into the coating means that no one is unique. You have to hope to get a skin that has your colour combo. Which has existed since Halo 2. The coating system would needs seemingly hundreds of coats to compete with the combinations possible through a simple 2 or 3 colour choice system. Nobody will be unique if how they’ve described it thus far is what we’re getting.

Additionally, Halo Infinite means to use a hamstringed version of what they could potentially do which is provide us with the ability to colour each piece of armour with whatever colour we want individually whilst also being able to apply textures/metallics to each individual pieces which they’ve designed for their ‘coatings’.

They’ve taken away a categorically superior customisation system for the sake of monetising player expression that has been inherent to Halo’s multiplayer and social aspect for nearly two decades.

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> I’m genuinely intrigued here. I had no idea people got so passionate about their colours. I pretty much set and forgot my Halo 5 ones on day one (my footy team’s colours). I honestly couldn’t tell you what colours I used in previous games. I remember being bright green at one stage. Oh, and purple… a very fearsome shade of lilac!
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> But I imagine there are only so many colour combinations in use. So it shouldn’t be too hard to provide the core offerings.
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> Some shades, such as Cadbury’s purple, may end up (temporarily?) in a paid promotion… but I’m sure there will be similar shades offered up in the free / grindable palette.
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> Seeing as I have no attachment to my Spartan’s colours I am looking forward to what the new system offers up…

Halo 5 currently has 3600 possible color combinations.

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> Letting this sit for a few days has had me change my opinion. I understand how this system could be great, though I worry how it’s compared to destiny shaders. On the other hand, I’m concerned that 343 is moving away from such a classic mechanic. My guess is that the ability to customize materials and wear/tear were going to be a new feature anyways. With the game going free to play, they probably had to choose something to monetize and colors were the subject. Hopefully we get some extra coating if we actually buy the campaign, just to reward the people who actually pay money.

Yup. They were going to have to monetize some aspects of the game, considering it is Free to Play. The fact that not only is it purely cosmetic is a good thing already.

That said, there’s also a TON of potential for this system. We aren’t restricted to primary/secondary colors in addition to armor sets. We can get patterns, tertiary/etc colors, wear/tear, variable emblem placement, extremely unique designs and even additional armor accessories (Halo 5 trailer-style ponchos, anyone?). It just creates so much more diversity to get excited about, while too many people are focused on their basic looking spartans of the past.

Let’s focus on the potential here :slight_smile:

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> Halo 5 currently has 3600 possible color combinations.

Cool.

It would still be fascinating to know how many of those combinations are in active rotation.

Customization was bad enough in 5 with the loot boxes. Now with talk of free to play, “live service”, and what is basically Destiny 2 shaders, things are not giving me much hope. And this whole line companies trout out of “you can earn things in game” is a crock ad we all know it. There is a difference between accomplishing a task to unlock something, like beating the game on legendary or killing 10,000 grunts to get a special helmet, and just grinding through hours and hours of multiplayer to pile up your measly in game credits to buy something. One feels like a reward, the other feels like a job. If 343 thinks I’m going to grind for hours to get a color scheme for my avatar, they have truly lost the plot.

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> I’m genuinely intrigued here. I had no idea people got so passionate about their colours. I pretty much set and forgot my Halo 5 ones on day one (my footy team’s colours). I honestly couldn’t tell you what colours I used in previous games. I remember being bright green at one stage. Oh, and purple… a very fearsome shade of lilac!
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> But I imagine there are only so many colour combinations in use. So it shouldn’t be too hard to provide the core offerings.
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> Some shades, such as Cadbury’s purple, may end up (temporarily?) in a paid promotion… but I’m sure there will be similar shades offered up in the free / grindable palette.
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> Seeing as I have no attachment to my Spartan’s colours I am looking forward to what the new system offers up…

Yeah I’m in a very similar boat. I had no idea people got so attached to their colors. It makes sense I suppose, humans can get attached to just about anything if they spend enough time with it.

I think the reason I haven’t thought about it much is I despise FFA, infection, and custom games so 99% I’m usually Red/Blue. But I’m not big on customization in any games… I wonder why that is…

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> I run the darkest green and red. I’ve been called the Christmas Spartan before, and I’m not keen on giving that up. It’s special to me, and I doubt they’ll include a satisfying pattern with that pallet. I’m also one of those people who constantly messes with my customization between matches, but green and red is my go to.

Many video games (and especially live service style games) run holiday events. I would go so far as to guarantee you there would be some Christmas themed skins/coatings available in HI. If 343 didn’t do that, it would be a huge missed opportunity for them.

Even with armor coatings I imagine your Christmas Spartan can battle once more, though admittedly you may have to wait for the holiday season to roll around.

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> > I’m genuinely intrigued here. I had no idea people got so passionate about their colours. I pretty much set and forgot my Halo 5 ones on day one (my footy team’s colours). I honestly couldn’t tell you what colours I used in previous games. I remember being bright green at one stage. Oh, and purple… a very fearsome shade of lilac!
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> > Some shades, such as Cadbury’s purple, may end up (temporarily?) in a paid promotion… but I’m sure there will be similar shades offered up in the free / grindable palette.
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> > Seeing as I have no attachment to my Spartan’s colours I am looking forward to what the new system offers up…
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> Yeah I’m in a very similar boat. I had no idea people got so attached to their colors. It makes sense I suppose, humans can get attached to just about anything if they spend enough time with it.
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> I think the reason I haven’t thought about it much is I despise FFA, infection, and custom games so 99% I’m usually Red/Blue. But I’m not big on customization in any games… I wonder why that is…
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> Many video games (and especially live service style games) run holiday events. I would go so far as to guarantee you there would be some Christmas themed skins/coatings available in HI. If 343 didn’t do that, it would be a huge missed opportunity for them.
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> Even with armor coatings I imagine your Christmas Spartan can battle once more, though admittedly you may have to wait for the holiday season to roll around.

humans can get attached to just about anything if they spend enough time with it.

Wait, are you an AI like Cortana?