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> > As has already been calculated, in order to even match the level of color customization in halo 5, there would need to be 3600 coatings. Heck, if they gave players actual control of having even a third color, it would be the equivalent of 216000 coatings.
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> > Its highly unlikely 343 is going to go through and individually make that many coatings for everything, and even if they do, we may have to jump through some marketing hoops to get them. More color options is GOOD, but having those color options locked behind presets is BAD. Heck, if they actually make all 216000 coatings, just scrolling through them to find the one you want would be a chore.
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> This community cracks me up. What level? What customization? I’m on the game RIGHT NOW, it has a GARBAGE customization system, as do literally every Halo game.
UrbaneRocket is on the ball here.
You clearly don’t understand that choice is more important than quality. Or how unlikely what your saying actually is.
3 simple colour options for a spartan is MATHEMATICALLY more customization than coats. Its a fact, deal with it.
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> 343 is always going to run into this buzz saw of our Halo vs their Halo. If they load the game to the gills with microtransactions like people are expecting they will kill the game. Armor Coating sounds like unlocks from progress since this game will be a Flagship for years on Gamepass and I honestly expect down the road that all Xbox exclusive games will only be on Gamepass soon.
If they’re not for Microtransactions, then it’s extremely odd that they’re supposidely as limited as they are in terms of color customization.
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> Another of these threads, Whooptydoo.
> As I’ve said before, I will refuse to buy any colors. Hopefully 343i fixes this before launch. It’s honestly sad as I was talking to my friend today (he’s a big CoD dude) and explained “Color Coating” to him. You know what he said? He said it’s “A good marketing opportunity.” Sadly, that’s true.
Sadly as one of the mods said, because these skins are already tied up in promortional material that people have bought and used, not to mention marketing contracts with all these companies, its unlikely anything will change.
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> UrbaneRocket is on the ball here.
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> You clearly don’t understand that choice is more important than quality. Or how unlikely what your saying actually is.
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> 3 simple colour options for a spartan is MATHEMATICALLY more customization than coats. Its a fact, deal with it.
I think if the coatings actually had patterns or were of actual better quality than before this might have gone over better.
The problem is our current examples are pretty much “solid purple”, “black and blue” and “that grey/red combo from halo reach with some tweaks”. Anthem and even Destiny 2 seem to get some really fancy stuff going on, but likely due to the more ‘grounded’ nature of halo, we’re effectively just getting color combos sold to us.
I think quality COULD make up for quantity, but so far we haven’t really been shown things of a quality that makes up for the presumed lack of quantity.
I should want to go to gamestop between November and December for a super cool skin thats new and interesting…not to effectively unlock the color combo I’m using in halo reach at the moment.
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> With some of the Armor Coatings rewards already being distributed and cached, I doubt the system is going away! They’d have to take features away from people that have redeemed them already- a line I doubt they’d cross.
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> I’m not saying you should stop advocating for what you desire- merely stating that I think this system is set in stone.
I doubt many people will care as much if it’s taken away compared to the majority of fans that should have had the option from the start since the system shouldn’t be forced in the way that it sounds, if 343i are that concerned about people being upset then I guess they should give them something different like an early armour unlock. Locking out colours is concerning and I feel like this can lead to a major backlash with Infinite, now I feel like I’m understanding why Infinite went F2P multiplayer, it has me concerned about the franchise as a whole. I don’t want another repeat of things like the loot box disaster that made a lot of fans unsure to trust 343i, forcing colours to be blocked behind a paywall has me concerned that 343i haven’t learnt from their past mistakes.
If something is set in ‘stone’ then it needs to be stopped, delayed because a majority of fans are unlikely to want to stick around for the 10 year plan if the games are focusing on predatory systems like this. Heck I have put up with a lot of things like pay to win elements in more recent games and tolerated loot box’s, the annoying online only system in H5…how much more can the fans take before 343i go too far?
I feel like they really have something planned to make these Armour coatings interesting. As much as I see them as a possible regression from a traditional colour style, I think that they have a way to negate any of the issues.
Here are my predictions :
I think that the base game will come with all the essential basic colours we’ve come to expect as different coatings. - I think that they will allow a very intricate piece by piece style customization for colours, (ex. I can change my forearm, bicep, and shoulder all individually) - I think the menu will be a bit cluttered (given previous games customization menus), but get better and organized overtime. - I think skins will not be locked to one armour piece, and any coating will be compatible with all armour.Minus the 3rd prediction, I wouldn’t dislike the system because that would be inherently more options then we’ve ever had before. If that were the case, earning new skins to pile into that wouldn’t be dreadful.
Here we are with still no confirmation or any content of substance to address any of these concerns.
there is literally, absolutely, no point in being so ridiculously vague and not answering questions or concerns. Like man I really want to be excited for infinite, I really want to see the sense in what they’ve done and be proven wrong that it’s indeed the best choice. But so far we have been told NOTHING. Tell us bloody something, how hard is it to do. They shouldn’t even have said their initial message. Now it seems they want to annoy their fans. That’s the only explanation. If that isn’t the case they would have answered properly by now.
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> Here we are with still no confirmation or any content of substance to address any of these concerns.
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> there is literally, absolutely, no point in being so ridiculously vague and not answering questions or concerns. Like man I really want to be excited for infinite, I really want to see the sense in what they’ve done and be proven wrong that it’s indeed the best choice. But so far we have been told NOTHING. Tell us bloody something, how hard is it to do. They shouldn’t even have said their initial message. Now it seems they want to annoy their fans. That’s the only explanation. If that isn’t the case they would have answered properly by now.
Unfortunately I think they need to confirm with the higher ups any info they reveal to us. It’s going to take a little time for them to prepare any info to show us.
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> > Here we are with still no confirmation or any content of substance to address any of these concerns.
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> > there is literally, absolutely, no point in being so ridiculously vague and not answering questions or concerns. Like man I really want to be excited for infinite, I really want to see the sense in what they’ve done and be proven wrong that it’s indeed the best choice. But so far we have been told NOTHING. Tell us bloody something, how hard is it to do. They shouldn’t even have said their initial message. Now it seems they want to annoy their fans. That’s the only explanation. If that isn’t the case they would have answered properly by now.
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> Unfortunately I think they need to confirm with the higher ups any info they reveal to us. It’s going to take a little time for them to prepare any info to show us.
I understand that, bud sadly it has taken us months to get this and I fear it will be another couple of months before we get any more elaboration. We are at a point where we are near the initial launch date at the game and still haven’t even been told estimated road maps. In my mind it’s a 30minute meeting with a higher up that outlines “here is how we alleviate concerns for the time being”, but I’m just at a loss for words. I expected maybe some follow up and hour or two after the announcement. But I’m sure we will face silence for a fair while again.
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> > Here we are with still no confirmation or any content of substance to address any of these concerns.
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> > there is literally, absolutely, no point in being so ridiculously vague and not answering questions or concerns. Like man I really want to be excited for infinite, I really want to see the sense in what they’ve done and be proven wrong that it’s indeed the best choice. But so far we have been told NOTHING. Tell us bloody something, how hard is it to do. They shouldn’t even have said their initial message. Now it seems they want to annoy their fans. That’s the only explanation. If that isn’t the case they would have answered properly by now.
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> Unfortunately I think they need to confirm with the higher ups any info they reveal to us. It’s going to take a little time for them to prepare any info to show us.
I feel like they could have done that before releasing the post. Acknowledging in the post itself that the two color system was a fan favourite, means they expected backlash from this news.
I honestly think they weren’t vague, what you see is what you get, Colours are locked to coatings. It’s the worst case scenario but the one that is the most likely going by their own words. If not I stand corrected.
Someone posted earlier that not all the coatings will cost money…most will be able to be earned through achievements and progression. Which is fine…literally the only issues 99% of the community have is with the colors being assigned to the coatings.
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> > > Here we are with still no confirmation or any content of substance to address any of these concerns.
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> > > there is literally, absolutely, no point in being so ridiculously vague and not answering questions or concerns. Like man I really want to be excited for infinite, I really want to see the sense in what they’ve done and be proven wrong that it’s indeed the best choice. But so far we have been told NOTHING. Tell us bloody something, how hard is it to do. They shouldn’t even have said their initial message. Now it seems they want to annoy their fans. That’s the only explanation. If that isn’t the case they would have answered properly by now.
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> > Unfortunately I think they need to confirm with the higher ups any info they reveal to us. It’s going to take a little time for them to prepare any info to show us.
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> I understand that, bud sadly it has taken us months to get this and I fear it will be another couple of months before we get any more elaboration. We are at a point where we are near the initial launch date at the game and still haven’t even been told estimated road maps. In my mind it’s a 30minute meeting with a higher up that outlines “here is how we alleviate concerns for the time being”, but I’m just at a loss for words. I expected maybe some follow up and hour or two after the announcement. But I’m sure we will face silence for a fair while again.
I think that’s where persistence on our end is key. Requesting them to have some sort of reform in their information dispensing department (That sure is a name I came up with) is going to be necessary in the next coming weeks. I’m sure they’re getting plenty of people messaging them left and right on this, so let’s just keep discussing it and show we have interest.
Despite the fact that a lot of the time we think they aren’t listening because of silence, they probably have a very expansive list on all of our complaints over the years. Not that I can say that for sure, but I can’t believe for a second everyone at that company would be ignorant to our demands / complaints / requests / idea’s.
@Sniper945 your optimism is appreciated, but I’m thinking it’s unlikely that Coatings (as presently designed) are applicable on a piece-by-piece basis. If they were, I’d think making sure we knew it would have to be a high priority from 343i, since that would dramatically tone down the perception of limitation that Uny’s explanation of them in the Community Update gave us all.
I agree with you that, if Coatings were applicable on a piece-by-piece basis, they wouldn’t be nearly as aggravating as they presently seem to be. In fact, assuming a healthy number of Coatings make it into the game and they are mixable on a piece-by-piece level, there will almost certainly be orders of magnitude more possible unique color configurations available than even the high-water mark Halo 3 has set for the series (30 Primary x 30 Secondary X 30 Tertiary for a total of 27,000 possibe unique combinations). That’s honestly really cool, although the fact that textures presumably can’t be mixed and matched even on the presumption that different Coatings could be applied on a piece by piece basis means that the number of combinations that wouldn’t be bizarre-looking mismatched eyesores might represent a tiny fraction of all possible combos.
Granted, and this would still be enough of a sticking point to make my eyes roll pretty hard, they’d not be available to all players from the start like every prior Halo game has handled color customization, which would mean that players have to grind or pay for the simple benefit of being able to express themselves through their armor color.
I also like to think they’ll include a healthy variety of Coatings to, at a minimum, players who purchase the Campaign or are subscribed to Game Pass. It seems like about the bare minimum appeasement they can offer the countless fans they’ve disappointed with this decision. To be clear, I don’t think we’re necessarily “owed,” appeasement. But if they can’t/won’t even attempt to meet the many, many of us who are crestfallen about this Coatings fiasco halfway, then they’re not half as interested in truly appealing to the established fan community as they say they are. And they can’t expect to receive praise, support, and adoration from a fan community they keep insisting on ignoring.
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> @sniper945 your optimism is appreciated, but I’m thinking it’s unlikely that Coatings (as presently designed) are applicable on a piece-by-piece basis. If they were, I’d think making sure we knew it would have to be a high priority from 343i, since that would dramatically tone down the perception of limitation that Uny’s explanation of them in the Community Update gave us all.
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> I agree with you that, if Coatings were applicable on a piece-by-piece basis, they wouldn’t be nearly as aggravating as they presently seem to be. In fact, assuming a healthy number of Coatings make it into the game and they are mixable on a piece-by-piece level, there will almost certainly be orders of magnitude more possible unique color configurations available than even the high-water mark Halo 3 has set for the series (30 Primary x 30 Secondary X 30 Tertiary for a total of 27,000 possibe unique combinations). That’s honestly really cool, although the fact that textures presumably can’t be mixed and matched even on the presumption that different Coatings could be applied on a piece by piece basis means that the number of combinations that wouldn’t be bizarre-looking mismatched eyesores might represent a tiny fraction of all possible combos.
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> Granted, and this would still be enough of a sticking point to make my eyes roll pretty hard, they’d not be available to all players from the start like every prior Halo game has handled color customization, which would mean that players have to grind or pay for the simple benefit of being able to express themselves through their armor color.
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> I also like to think they’ll include a healthy variety of Coatings to, at a minimum, players who purchase the Campaign or are subscribed to Game Pass. It seems like about the bare appeasement they can offer the countless fans they’ve disappointed with this decision. To be clear, I don’t think we’re necessarily “owed,” appeasement. But if they can’t/won’t even attempt to meet the many, many of us who are crestfallen about this Coatings fiasco halfway, then they’re not half as interested in truly appealing to the established fan community as they say they are.
I think even if they don’t plan on doing piece by piece at this moment, requesting it now is going to make it happen (Probably). It’s a fair compromise that wouldn’t completly disrupt the current marketing, and it probably wouldn’t be that hard to alter on their end before launch.
I don’t like it. It’s VERY Destiny-esque in how it’s BASICALLY a Shader. WHich would be fine… If it were used as a BASE for our Spartans. I do not want to scramble for premade Coatings and I want to have my Spartan be an expression of who I am. This isn’t… Very doable, when you have this system. It’s also very very monetizable which is probably why it’s being done.
It’s not a good system and it’s one of those Halo traditions that does not need to be undone.
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> > @sniper945 your optimism is appreciated, but I’m thinking it’s unlikely that Coatings (as presently designed) are applicable on a piece-by-piece basis. If they were, I’d think making sure we knew it would have to be a high priority from 343i, since that would dramatically tone down the perception of limitation that Uny’s explanation of them in the Community Update gave us all.
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> > I agree with you that, if Coatings were applicable on a piece-by-piece basis, they wouldn’t be nearly as aggravating as they presently seem to be. In fact, assuming a healthy number of Coatings make it into the game and they are mixable on a piece-by-piece level, there will almost certainly be orders of magnitude more possible unique color configurations available than even the high-water mark Halo 3 has set for the series (30 Primary x 30 Secondary X 30 Tertiary for a total of 27,000 possibe unique combinations). That’s honestly really cool, although the fact that textures presumably can’t be mixed and matched even on the presumption that different Coatings could be applied on a piece by piece basis means that the number of combinations that wouldn’t be bizarre-looking mismatched eyesores might represent a tiny fraction of all possible combos.
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> > Granted, and this would still be enough of a sticking point to make my eyes roll pretty hard, they’d not be available to all players from the start like every prior Halo game has handled color customization, which would mean that players have to grind or pay for the simple benefit of being able to express themselves through their armor color.
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> > I also like to think they’ll include a healthy variety of Coatings to, at a minimum, players who purchase the Campaign or are subscribed to Game Pass. It seems like about the bare appeasement they can offer the countless fans they’ve disappointed with this decision. To be clear, I don’t think we’re necessarily “owed,” appeasement. But if they can’t/won’t even attempt to meet the many, many of us who are crestfallen about this Coatings fiasco halfway, then they’re not half as interested in truly appealing to the established fan community as they say they are.
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> I think even if they don’t plan on doing piece by piece at this moment, requesting it now is going to make it happen (Probably). It’s a fair compromise that wouldn’t completly disrupt the current marketing, and it probably wouldn’t be that hard to alter on their end before launch.
I read someone’s quote earlier (forgot which thread might have even been this very one) where they said something along the lines of MCC being a colossal disappointment and after 4 years they finally started fixing stuff and getting it right. I don’t see them fixing this before launch. I can see maybe something coming later down the line though. I think even if ALL these coatings were earnable/progression related or even monetized which some are, they should have been an addition. You should still be able to have the standard system in place and makes this coatings system
additional (addition by addition), not how it has been proposed as an addition by subtraction.
This seems to be a universally-disliked decision by 343. I honestly can’t see them keeping their proposed system with how much backlash they are getting.
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> > > > there is literally, absolutely, no point in being so ridiculously vague and not answering questions or concerns. Like man I really want to be excited for infinite, I really want to see the sense in what they’ve done and be proven wrong that it’s indeed the best choice. But so far we have been told NOTHING. Tell us bloody something, how hard is it to do. They shouldn’t even have said their initial message. Now it seems they want to annoy their fans. That’s the only explanation. If that isn’t the case they would have answered properly by now.
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> > > Unfortunately I think they need to confirm with the higher ups any info they reveal to us. It’s going to take a little time for them to prepare any info to show us.
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> > I understand that, bud sadly it has taken us months to get this and I fear it will be another couple of months before we get any more elaboration. We are at a point where we are near the initial launch date at the game and still haven’t even been told estimated road maps. In my mind it’s a 30minute meeting with a higher up that outlines “here is how we alleviate concerns for the time being”, but I’m just at a loss for words. I expected maybe some follow up and hour or two after the announcement. But I’m sure we will face silence for a fair while again.
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> I think that’s where persistence on our end is key. Requesting them to have some sort of reform in their information dispensing department (That sure is a name I came up with) is going to be necessary in the next coming weeks. I’m sure they’re getting plenty of people messaging them left and right on this, so let’s just keep discussing it and show we have interest.
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> Despite the fact that a lot of the time we think they aren’t listening because of silence, they probably have a very expansive list on all of our complaints over the years. Not that I can say that for sure, but I can’t believe for a second everyone at that company would be ignorant to our demands / complaints / requests / idea’s.
I agree with you definitely
I just know the last time we thought we weren’t being listened to was split screen and we know they didn’t change that. Not to say this isn’t the same thing but I think I’m just over empty promises or the idea something should launch sub par / broken and fix or apologise later.
like I keep saying I hope I’m wrong. I hope that the coatings are better than the old system and gives us the ability to choose what we wish and in some cases pick the exact same colour schemes we have chosen in past games. Just the way they are currently messaging us it’s not giving confidence.
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> This seems to be a universaly-disliked decision by 343. I honestly can’t see them keeping their proposed system with how much backlash they are getting.
343 Doesn’t seem to understand that adding something that MIGHT be good, is bad when you remove something that is PROVEN to be good. At best you have a net zero. Just like with the “Flood” mode in Halo 4, and the entire customization system in Halo 5. Hell, it wasn’t even until recently they fixed the customization in MCC, well besides Halo 4.